Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to The Yankee Zone. We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
Joel Sherman rips Cashman&Harold Reynolds - Fired
Topic Started: Jul 25 2006, 10:08 AM (377 Views)
HomieYank
Member Avatar

Members
amit
Jul 25 2006, 05:01 PM
It's peanuts compared to Giambi's $120 mil and A-Rod's remaining $112 mil.

Thanks to Cashman's shrew negotiating powers A-Rod is actually only due 16 mill a year which is a pretty good deal. Giambi was all George as he was bidding against himself for Giambi's services. Not to mention Jeter had agreed to a MUCH more reasonable contract before George backed out of the deal and ended up having to pay him 119 mill. Add to that the Money still owed Wright and Womack because of Tampa's f*ck ups, and Randy Johnson's insane extantion(George).
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
amit
Member Avatar
Lizard King
Administrator
HomieYank
Jul 26 2006, 01:04 AM
amit
Jul 25 2006, 05:01 PM
It's peanuts compared to Giambi's $120 mil and A-Rod's remaining $112 mil.

Thanks to Cashman's shrew negotiating powers A-Rod is actually only due 16 mill a year which is a pretty good deal. Giambi was all George as he was bidding against himself for Giambi's services. Not to mention Jeter had agreed to a MUCH more reasonable contract before George backed out of the deal and ended up having to pay him 119 mill. Add to that the Money still owed Wright and Womack because of Tampa's f*ck ups, and Randy Johnson's insane extantion(George).

Yup. :yes:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Mattingly23
Member Avatar

Moderator
Stop using your brain, Homie. Kocur's threads are brain-free zones.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KOCUR

VC_Members
amit
Jul 25 2006, 06:01 PM
It's peanuts compared to Giambi's $120 mil and A-Rod's remaining $112 mil.

Giambi and A-Rod were good moves....the 3 I named were not....
Only the Yankees can recover from blunders like that - only C ashman can buy himself out of bad moves ...Gabe White....how about that stiff reliever he signed from the CWSox last year....he was so bad I've forgotten his name....how about Chris Hammond...Jarret Wright....15 mill ....how about MISSING on chances....
Cashman will be gone if we miss...bank on it.
Oh how about $27 mill to JAvy Vazquez....totally his call BTW....as was Pavano.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Mattingly23
Member Avatar

Moderator
Cashman has said he was against the Wright and Womack signings.

Pavano was being sought after by several teams, including the one run by your boy wonder, Theo.

Gabe White was a mistake, but it's not like he had some 7 year deal.

I was against Hammond, but he actually pitched well. Joe just didn't use him correctly, then buried him in the pen after one bad HR.

Overall though, can you ever mention contract terms and be accurate? You make up numbers like Mad Dog does.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
HomieYank
Member Avatar

Members
KOCUR
Jul 25 2006, 05:44 PM
amit
Jul 25 2006, 06:01 PM
It's peanuts compared to Giambi's $120 mil and A-Rod's remaining $112 mil.

Giambi and A-Rod were good moves....the 3 I named were not....
Only the Yankees can recover from blunders like that - only C ashman can buy himself out of bad moves ...Gabe White....how about that stiff reliever he signed from the CWSox last year....he was so bad I've forgotten his name....how about Chris Hammond...Jarret Wright....15 mill ....how about MISSING on chances....
Cashman will be gone if we miss...bank on it.
Oh how about $27 mill to JAvy Vazquez....totally his call BTW....as was Pavano.

The bad moves were George/Tampa, the good ones have been Cashman. Thats a proven fact. Hammond was good.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
HomieYank
Member Avatar

Members
in addition to what I just wrote:

Boston was going to have to give up Manny for A-Rod and we got him for Soriano. Cash also got Texas to eat 9 mill a year of his contract.

Giambi shouldn't have got nearly as much as he did. We had a young future all star 1Bman and way more leverage then George allowed Cashman to use.

How do you figure Vazquez and Pavano were "completely" Cash's call? Thats innacurate for the record, I'm just curious where you think you heard it.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
amit
Member Avatar
Lizard King
Administrator
Damon is better in half a season than Giambi ever was.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Strider
Member Avatar
Legend
VC_Moderator
amit
Jul 25 2006, 07:03 PM
Damon is better in half a season than Giambi ever was.

.314/41 homeruns and I think it was 122 RBI with an OBP that I'm sure was around .450.

SHADDAP!
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Gategem
Member Avatar
Member In Exile
Members
As Matt23 pointed out it’s a lot easier to get bench players to come to the Sally League b/c they get considerable more opportunities to play. I saw the stats on the Mets pinch hitters the other day and it was dreadful. Omar had trouble in the off season signing players to assign to 3A incase he needed them later in the season b/c players didn’t want to sign with a team that had so much talent in the majors I’m sure Cash had the same problem with the Yankees. As far as Valentin and Chavez are concerned both sucked coming off the bench. It was by pure accident that Willie had to play Valentin as a starter and the guy started to hit over his head. The same scenario happened with Chavez. I also think bringing up young talent and playing them sparingly is the kiss of death for these guys. Most of them have played regularly all their lives and can’t make the adjustment, especially in the AL, where they will be lucky if they get a chance to smell the field. It’s a good way to destroy a young player’s career.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
amit
Member Avatar
Lizard King
Administrator
Strider
Jul 26 2006, 02:17 AM
amit
Jul 25 2006, 07:03 PM
Damon is better in half a season than Giambi ever was.

.314/41 homeruns and I think it was 122 RBI with an OBP that I'm sure was around .450.

SHADDAP!

:please:

Damon's having a better first season than Giambi did, at this point.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KOCUR

VC_Members
HomieYank
Jul 25 2006, 06:56 PM
in addition to what I just wrote:

Boston was going to have to give up Manny for A-Rod and we got him for Soriano. Cash also got Texas to eat 9 mill a year of his contract.

Giambi shouldn't have got nearly as much as he did. We had a young future all star 1Bman and way more leverage then George allowed Cashman to use.

How do you figure Vazquez and Pavano were "completely" Cash's call? Thats innacurate for the record, I'm just curious where you think you heard it.

Cashman is the GM - everything falls on him...

Hammond was a rounded head bag of shite...

Cashman pushed for Vazquez and defended the money he gave a stiff .500 pitcher from the NL
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
HomieYank
Member Avatar

Members
KOCUR
Jul 25 2006, 06:27 PM
HomieYank
Jul 25 2006, 06:56 PM
in addition to what I just wrote:

Boston was going to have to give up Manny for A-Rod and we got him for Soriano.  Cash also got Texas to eat 9 mill a year of his contract.

Giambi shouldn't have got nearly as much as he did.  We had a young future all star 1Bman and way more leverage then George allowed Cashman to use.

How do you figure Vazquez and Pavano were "completely" Cash's call?  Thats innacurate for the record, I'm just curious where you think you heard it.

Cashman is the GM - everything falls on him...

Hammond was a rounded head bag of shite...

Cashman pushed for Vazquez and defended the money he gave a stiff .500 pitcher from the NL

Cashman was the GM in name, but was not allowed to run the team

Hammond was good

George wanted a big name pitcher and didn't care about trading a future all star 1Bman so he got what he wanted.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
rsj23terp

Members
KOCUR
Jul 25 2006, 07:27 PM
Cashman is the GM - everything falls on him...


Except when there is a good move, then its Tampa that gets credit right?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
amit
Member Avatar
Lizard King
Administrator
KOCUR
Jul 26 2006, 02:27 AM
Hammond was a rounded head bag of shite...


Hammond had a 2.86 ERA, even though he was used horribly by Torre.

Quote:
 
Cashman pushed for Vazquez and defended the money he gave a stiff .500 pitcher from the NL


Vazquez was the ace of the staff for the first half of 2004. He was 10-5 with a 3.56 ERA before the All-Star break. Then his mechanics got scrwed up, and Sideshow Mel couldn't get them fixed.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Strider
Member Avatar
Legend
VC_Moderator
amit
Jul 25 2006, 07:21 PM
Strider
Jul 26 2006, 02:17 AM
amit
Jul 25 2006, 07:03 PM
Damon is better in half a season than Giambi ever was.

.314/41 homeruns and I think it was 122 RBI with an OBP that I'm sure was around .450.

SHADDAP!

:please:

Damon's having a better first season than Giambi did, at this point.

In stolen bases....and that's about it.

Jew es loco.

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
amit
Member Avatar
Lizard King
Administrator
Defense, small ball, runs...
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
HomieYank
Member Avatar

Members
amit
Jul 25 2006, 07:10 PM
Defense, small ball, runs...

Small ball is just that, small ball. The runs he scores are because of Giambi.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Strider
Member Avatar
Legend
VC_Moderator
amit
Jul 25 2006, 08:10 PM
Defense, small ball, runs...

Giambi's defense at 1B wasn't too bad his first year. He made 4 errors and I think he made 2 real early in the year and 2 real late, so for the most part, he was steady.

Small ball is to set up for the heavy hitters. That groundout to the right side and bunt don't mean nothin' if the RBI men don't cash in. And Giambi was cashing in that year. Also, Giambi, who is not a leadoff man, had on-base percentage much higher than Damon does now. So in that sense, he was doing Johnny's job better than Johnny.

In terms of runs, Giambi produced (runs scored + RBI) 242 runs. If Damon does that, he should be MVP.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
amit
Member Avatar
Lizard King
Administrator
HomieYank
Jul 26 2006, 03:32 AM
amit
Jul 25 2006, 07:10 PM
Defense, small ball, runs...

Small ball is just that, small ball. The runs he scores are because of Giambi.

Small ball wins games.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
HomieYank
Member Avatar

Members
amit
Jul 25 2006, 07:40 PM
HomieYank
Jul 26 2006, 03:32 AM
amit
Jul 25 2006, 07:10 PM
Defense, small ball, runs...

Small ball is just that, small ball. The runs he scores are because of Giambi.

Small ball wins games.

not by itself. And bunts actually tend to do more harm then good.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
amit
Member Avatar
Lizard King
Administrator
HomieYank
Jul 26 2006, 03:47 AM
amit
Jul 25 2006, 07:40 PM
HomieYank
Jul 26 2006, 03:32 AM
amit
Jul 25 2006, 07:10 PM
Defense, small ball, runs...

Small ball is just that, small ball. The runs he scores are because of Giambi.

Small ball wins games.

not by itself. And bunts actually tend to do more harm then good.

Don't gimme that moneyball BS. :please:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
HomieYank
Member Avatar

Members
amit
Jul 25 2006, 07:49 PM
HomieYank
Jul 26 2006, 03:47 AM
amit
Jul 25 2006, 07:40 PM
HomieYank
Jul 26 2006, 03:32 AM
amit
Jul 25 2006, 07:10 PM
Defense, small ball, runs...

Small ball is just that, small ball. The runs he scores are because of Giambi.

Small ball wins games.

not by itself. And bunts actually tend to do more harm then good.

Don't gimme that moneyball BS. :please:

Thats not money ball, its common sence. An out is an out. A team full of Cairo's, Pat Kelly's, Scott Podsedniks, Bubba Crosbys ect simply would not win without an actual good player. A team full of Giambi's would be much more successfull all things being equal without a "small ball" type player. Damon is valuable because he can get on base, hit for some power, steal bases and play good D. He isn't a valuable player because of Bunting, hit and runs, or productive ground ball outs.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
amit
Member Avatar
Lizard King
Administrator
I'd rather have an out that advances the runner(s) than not.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
HomieYank
Member Avatar

Members
amit
Jul 25 2006, 08:00 PM
I'd rather have an out that advances the runner(s) than not.

I'd rather not have the out. This is why players who's strong suit is "small ball" simply aren't valuable.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
amit
Member Avatar
Lizard King
Administrator
HomieYank
Jul 26 2006, 04:03 AM
amit
Jul 25 2006, 08:00 PM
I'd rather have an out that advances the runner(s) than not.

I'd rather not have the out. This is why players who's strong suit is "small ball" simply aren't valuable.

Obviously, but even Travis Hafner, who's leading the league in your oh so favorite stat of OPS will make an out 70% of the time.

So would Ichiro, Johnny Damon and Carl Crawford, but instead of striking out and leaving the runner on the same base, they'll move him up.

Of course you won't win the WS with an "all small-ball" team, but you won't with a team of 40 HR hitters up and down the lineup. You need a mix of guys, and I think that on this team specifically, Damon is more valuable than Giambi.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
YankeeBaseball
Member Avatar

VC_Members
HomieYank
Jul 25 2006, 08:32 PM
amit
Jul 25 2006, 07:10 PM
Defense, small ball, runs...

Small ball is just that, small ball. The runs he scores are because of Giambi.

:please: You want to talk small balls? Talk to mm. :peace:

(Matty told me ;) )
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
amit
Member Avatar
Lizard King
Administrator
YankeeBaseball
Jul 26 2006, 04:10 AM
HomieYank
Jul 25 2006, 08:32 PM
amit
Jul 25 2006, 07:10 PM
Defense, small ball, runs...

Small ball is just that, small ball. The runs he scores are because of Giambi.

:please: You want to talk small balls? Talk to mm. :peace:

(Matty told me ;) )

:laugh:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
HomieYank
Member Avatar

Members
Quote:
 
Obviously, but even Travis Hafner, who's leading the league in your oh so favorite stat of OPS will make an out 70% of the time.
70%? Actually Hafner and his .441 OBP only make out 56% of the time. Much less than 70.
Quote:
 
Of course you won't win the WS with an "all small-ball" team, but you won't with a team of 40 HR hitters up and down the lineup. You need a mix of guys, and I think that on this team specifically, Damon is more valuable than Giambi.
Do you honestly believe that a team entirely made up of 40 home run hitters wouldn't win with a decent pitching and fielding team? Come on.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
amit
Member Avatar
Lizard King
Administrator
HomieYank
Jul 26 2006, 04:16 AM
Quote:
 
Obviously, but even Travis Hafner, who's leading the league in your oh so favorite stat of OPS will make an out 70% of the time.
70%? Actually Hafner and his .441 OBP only make out 56% of the time. Much less than 70.

I'm talking about BA.

Quote:
 
Do you honestly believe that a team entirely made up of 40 home run hitters wouldn't win with a decent pitching and fielding team?  Come on


The 02-05 Yankees were as close as it got and look where that got them.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · New York Yankees · Next Topic »
Add Reply
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2

Member Legend
Administrator | Moderator | Member | Validating | Banned

Please Visit Our Affiliates





Title banner © 2007 by Venom of The Yankee Zone.
All Rights Reserved.
edge created by tiptopolive of ifsz