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| Joel Sherman rips Cashman&Harold Reynolds - Fired | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 25 2006, 10:08 AM (374 Views) | |
| KOCUR | Jul 25 2006, 10:08 AM Post #1 |
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http://www.nypost.com/sports/reserve_cause...oel_sherman.htm Sherman makes a tremendous point - knowing we had an old broken ass team going into the season this fekn jerkoff went out and assembled the worst bench the sport has ever seen....Cairo is one of the worst offensive bench players in the sport and John Smoltz is bitting higher than Nick Green ... GET THIS FEKN GM OUT IF HERE ....THAT'S FEKN IT....THE BOSS GAVE HIM THE JOB THIS SEASON, AN OPEN CHECKBOOK AND WHATEVER HE WANTED.....I WANT US TO FLOP....AND I WANT A REAL GM.... THIS IS BEYOND A FEKN JOKE NOW......THIS IS SHAMEFUL. |
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| moomoo24 | Jul 25 2006, 11:19 AM Post #2 |
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Selective reading, also says Green is hitting .368 as a Yankee. However Todd Walker would be a very solid bench addition as well as Dellucci or Wilson. Those are the type of offensive moves I think we should be focusing on. And where in the article did he say anything about Harold Reynolds? |
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| Grandy4MVP | Jul 25 2006, 11:25 AM Post #3 |
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HR got fired by ESPN, I'm not sure what the f*ck happened. |
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| moomoo24 | Jul 25 2006, 11:41 AM Post #4 |
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Anyone have an article for that? Curious to see why it went down. |
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| Grandy4MVP | Jul 25 2006, 12:04 PM Post #5 |
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There isn't any reason given as of yet, but go to the MLB forum and there is a thread about it. |
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| Mattingly23 | Jul 25 2006, 01:04 PM Post #6 |
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Cairo is a good utility man. He didn't hit much last year, but do you remember two years ago? He showed he could hit and he's not here for his bat anyway. Who did you want as your utility man, Michael Young? If you want to complain about Stinnett, I am with you. If you want to complain about Bubba, you have a point. Nick Green is here because Robinson Cano is hurt. Is he a broken down old player? Sheffield is old, but he's been pretty durable the second half of his career, and was hurt on a collision. I'm not sure how being older has anything to do with that. Matsui had played every day for over 10 years and isn't old, so I don't see how his age comes into equation on a play in which his wrist snapped back. The old school benches were stronger for a couple of reasons. One, the lineup wasn't set on an everyday basis like this one was defensively before the injuries, so guys knew they had a chance to play. Two, when teams are winning titles, players are willing to take lesser roles for a chance to win. Who did you want to convince to play behind guys that usually play everyday? Maybe deal for Jimmy Rollins and have him back up the middle infield positions? Get a clue before you type. |
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| Mantlemurcer | Jul 25 2006, 01:07 PM Post #7 |
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Just how many Coronas did you have? :think: |
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| Mattingly23 | Jul 25 2006, 01:17 PM Post #8 |
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Kocur hasn't grasped the concept of how long and short vowels can change the sound and meaning of a word. The other day he said you were a spinless fool or something like that. Is he saying that you have no spine or that you have entered O'Reilly's no-spin zone? In this case, he's just a moron. Somewhere there's students in NJ who are just a little bit dumber than they were when they entered Joey Kocur's classroom. |
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| yankeecaptain15 | Jul 25 2006, 02:22 PM Post #9 |
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:crybaby: :lmao: :annoyed: it's getting old little man. |
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| KOCUR | Jul 25 2006, 02:28 PM Post #10 |
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- The Yankee bench is shameful - full of dickwads and castoffs.... - WHO GIVES A FECK WHAT CAIRO DID 2 YEARS AGO? How about his diaster with the Mets l;ast season - you selective fact choosing schmuck....how about his complete LACK OF POWER? - How about our only guy w/pop off the bench is a guy the Royals.. THE KC FEKN ROYALS ! OF ALL TEAMS DFA'D!!! THAT'S LIKE PEOPLE ON A POVERTY LINE TURNING DOWN FOOD.... - As Sherman NAILED -Cashman had all winter to build a bench....instead he did feckalll - HEY - DON'T WE NEED PEN HELP? DOTEL IS STILL OFF IN THE DISTANCE.....WHAT ABOUT A 29 YR OLD CLOSER WHO WAS AVAILABLE? THAT JUST WENT TO THE CHAMPS :wall: WHERE THE FECK IS OUR GM? - MARK MY WORDS - WE MISS THE SEASON - HE'S FIRED. |
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| Mattingly23 | Jul 25 2006, 02:36 PM Post #11 |
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Cairo was horrible last year. I agree. He would have been fine in a utility role, but Willie overplayed him when he wasn't playing well because Matsui was useless. This year he was signed to backup guys who play everyday unless there was an injury. A 23 year old second baseman getting hurt can't fit into your broken ass old team argument. How much would Cairo be playing if nobody got hurt? Who cares about his power? All you care about is HRs! You're a joke. Cairo has filled in well defensively and gotten some key hits. If he hits 0 HRs or 5, what do I care? I don't care where Guiel came from. He's filling his role right now, whether or not he came from KC or Boston. I don't think Cashman expected two guys who play everyday to go down for most of the season. Did you have a crystal ball he didn't have? Who did you want in the outfield as a backup? Where was that guy getting ABs without the injuries? You just ripped on Guiel for coming from KC. Where did MacDougal come from? Can you be consistent? You rip on Jeter for no power, but you love that he might go 9 HRs, 100 RBI. Now you rip on one guy being from KC, but want another. Huh? I'll mark your words just like I banked the 7-1 loss last night. Use your brain, just once. |
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| HomieYank | Jul 25 2006, 02:41 PM Post #12 |
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How about what he's doing this year? His numbers against lefties show he's the perfect complement to Cano. Good move Cash. How can you not like an OPS near .800 comming off the bench that we got for nothing? Good move cash. :please: Sherman knows about as much baseball as some of the people here do. The bench players everybody was whining about us not getting this offseason were Erubiel Durazo, Richard Hidalgo, and if i'm not mistaken a Travis Lee type. Well we got Durazo and Hidalgo(who blow) and we got a Travis Lee CLONE(only better) in Carlos Pena. Cash has proved time and time again that he is just way smarter then his critics. Are you talking about Macdougal??? THE ROYAL??? He isn't a real closer, never will be, the Sox gave up WAY to much for a relief pitcher. We have 4 pitchers in our pen better than Mike MacDougal. Good not move Cash. |
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| KOCUR | Jul 25 2006, 02:42 PM Post #13 |
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No schmuck - I ripped Cashman for getting Guiel a KC Castoff....McDougal is a quality pitcher that was dealt....BIG DIFFERENCE |
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| rsj23terp | Jul 25 2006, 02:42 PM Post #14 |
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I've already been through this with the bench, but what exactly do you think he should have done in the offseason to strengthen the bench? I want player names, proposed salaries, and what their role would have been on the team. No insults, no stupid ice cream jokes, lets hear what YOUR PLAN would have been. I'll tell you this, it sure would be terrible to be breaking in a 22-year-old catcher named Dioner Navarro who is a .277 hitter in 94 career games rather than having Kelly Stinnett wasting time back there. But some people were dying to have Randy Johnson here. I'll also state the following. The 1998 Yankees bench consisted of the following: Tim Raines - in the Bernie Williams role Luis Sojo - Miguel Cairo Ricky Ledee - Melky Cabrera Shane Spencer - Andy Phillips w/ hot power streak after Sept. callup Homer Bush - Pinch-runner which is what Bubba should be. Lets say Bernie and O'Neill had missed 3 months that year. The OF would have been Raines, Ledee and Chad Curtis. And if Knoblauch also missed a month, you'd have Sojo as the everyday 2B. There is no contingency for losing 2 OFers and a 2B for extended periods of time. But i'm curious to hear your ideas. |
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| Mattingly23 | Jul 25 2006, 02:46 PM Post #15 |
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Kocur won't answer any of that. I already asked. He gave me Mike MacDougal.
MacDougal is an average pitcher who was out for the season until a week ago. You wanted to deal quality prospects for him? I repeat, use your noggin. |
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| KOCUR | Jul 25 2006, 03:06 PM Post #16 |
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- It's not my job to get bench players - Did you see who Minaya got? - You can make the case we don't have a 4th OF'er - Stinnet was a joke signing - you know why? BECAUSE THE YANKEE FARM SYSTEM HAS NOT PRODUCE ANY QUALITY PLAYERS IN A FEKN DECADE, THAT ARE STILL HERE....EXCEPT MAYBE CABRERA -- Didn't we draft Lance Parrish's kid? where is he? |
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| Yanks473 | Jul 25 2006, 03:11 PM Post #17 |
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And the Band played on......
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I was saying all this stufff back in Janurary. I knew we'd be doomed with losers like Foolips, Bubba, Stinett, Cairo and Bernie. And before the twins ask me what I would have done, it's seems like the 29 other teams got it right with their bench. Cashboy is a spoiled "My Super Sweet Sixteen" brat who runs to use daddy's (Geroge's) credit card. I knew Cashboy was never gonna leave and go to a smaller market. If he did he'd be exposed as the unimaginitive fraud he is. Levine and Swindal are fuming over Cashboy right now. He's been put on notice. |
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| HomieYank | Jul 25 2006, 03:16 PM Post #18 |
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First of all the problems with the farm system are because of George letting the Tampa Boys control things. Since Cash and Openheimer took over we've had one of the better systems in all of baseball. Second of all Wang? Cano? Novarro? Nick Johnson? Alfonso Soriano?... NL GM. Completely different case. Also those players aren't that good. Melky Cabrera is no good? I thought you were a fan of his. Once everyone comes back who do you think the 4th OFer is? |
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| HomieYank | Jul 25 2006, 03:18 PM Post #19 |
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Yeah, you were wrong back in January and you're wrong now. All the guys you people were crying about we got. We got Durazo, we got Pena, we got Hidalgo. You think its easy to convince players that can play elsewhere to sign with a team in which the entire starting lineup are arguably all stars? Let me ask you this. Which team do you think has a good bench comprised of players aquired this past offseason? You think its easy to throw away prospects we don't have on mediocre relievers like MacDougal? Blame George and Tampa for the mess Cashman is doing a fine job of cleaning up. Bull. |
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| Mattingly23 | Jul 25 2006, 03:27 PM Post #20 |
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-- It's not your job to get bench players, but you can criticize them without any original ideas of your own? -- Minaya is the GM of an NL team. Players are much more likely to accept roles as bench players for an NL team since they'll get into a ton of games, injuries or not, by either pinch hitting or being double switched in. You have to be bright enough to understand that. Who did he get, by the way? Julio Franco while good is about to turn 48 and went to the Mets because he's close to Omar. Jose Valentin, who was coming off two DREADFUL seasons, and Met fans thought he was done until he started playing more. Endy Chavez? Were you clammoring for him? Chris Woodward was a solid pickup that he got before last year, but I think he might have even been a non-roster invitee, meaning nobody was knocking down his door. I'm fine with Cairo or Woodward. They're both good utility men. -- The Yankees had three starters, who were expected to play 140+ games each. What good outfielder in his right mind would sign on to be the 4th outfielder behind those three? -- Nobody liked the Stinnett signing. I think we all agree there. They were trying to appease the VC's own, Randy Johnson. Navarro is an MLB catcher and is 22 years old. Robinson Cano's hamstring injury eliminates his status as a homegrown, quality young player? How about Wang, does he count, or he doesn't because he was originally from Taiwan? Why do you still bring up David Parrish all the time? He was a bust. No other teams have ever drafted a bust? How are Nick Johnson and Juan Rivera doing? Brad Halsey? |
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| rsj23terp | Jul 25 2006, 03:29 PM Post #21 |
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-I asked for your opinion. You are so good at expressing it negatively, I figured you might have a constructive opinion about what should have been done. Its not your job to come to this message board everyday either, but you have no problem doing that. -Bernie's the 4th OFer. He's got a .738 OPS in an expanded role due to injuries. -I mentioned a catcher that was a former Yankee farmhand that is 22 and would be perfect in the apprentice role behind Posada with Tony Pena's experience guiding him into the starting catcher's role in a year or two. He's not here because Big Stein wanted the Big Unit and rather than giving up Cano and Wang, Cashman got him for Javy, Navarro and Halsey. -Homie mentioned the other Yankee products that are successes in the bigs that could be playing a part here. Instead, what we essentially traded for Randy Johnson was the following: Johnson, Juan Rivera (another 4th OFer type), Navarro, Halsey (3.68 ERA for Oakland in relief/spot-starting role). That's FOUR players to come out of the Yankee system that are all in the big leagues for Randy Johnson. |
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| BleacherCreature | Jul 25 2006, 04:03 PM Post #22 |
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Steve Swindal loves Brian Cashman and hopes that Cash wants to stay around after Steve becomes The Boss...He is also thrilled that Casman nutted up and forced the Tampa crew out of everyday decisions and sees it leading to a much smoother take over for him in the future.... Fact. :evilgrin: |
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| rsj23terp | Jul 25 2006, 04:11 PM Post #23 |
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I might also add that everyone praising Minaya should look at the records of both teams. Yankees 57-40 Mets 59-40 The Mets play in the worst division in baseball. |
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| Mattingly23 | Jul 25 2006, 04:16 PM Post #24 |
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BC2 and Terp, The VC doesn't deal with reason or facts. Uh oh, fire Cashman:
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| KOCUR | Jul 25 2006, 05:46 PM Post #25 |
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So you're gonna knock the first place Mets - best team in the NL a team we barely split with? Typcial arrogant slob Yankee fan....The Mets would be right where we are if they were in the AL East...Oh wait....me thinks they'd be leading by 7 games if you gave Omar -Cashman's $220 million to work with....Lets present all the facts before you proceed to make an ass of yourself. |
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| HomieYank | Jul 25 2006, 05:48 PM Post #26 |
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Cashman hasn't had 220mill to work with. Infact he's been bringing payroll down drastically since George and Tampa used that 220mill to almost run the team into the ground. |
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| amit | Jul 25 2006, 05:56 PM Post #27 |
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Lizard King
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I was gonna say that, till I saw this. :yes: |
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| KOCUR | Jul 25 2006, 05:56 PM Post #28 |
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Yeah -giving Pavano 40 mill and Damon X mill has really brught that payroll down .... Oh yeah - 17 mill for Farnsworth well spent.... |
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| HomieYank | Jul 25 2006, 05:58 PM Post #29 |
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just look at the payroll figures instead of 3 players. |
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| amit | Jul 25 2006, 06:01 PM Post #30 |
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Lizard King
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It's peanuts compared to Giambi's $120 mil and A-Rod's remaining $112 mil. |
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