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Trade -Rod? Windy City ....
Topic Started: Jul 25 2006, 12:47 AM (118 Views)
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Don't count out A-Rod in blue stripes
Remember Hendry's 2004 surprise
Phil Rogers On Baseball - The Chicago Tribune

July 24, 2006

Jim Hendry has pulled a rabbit out of his hat before at the trade deadline. But can the Cubs general manager top the Nomar Garciaparra deal of 2004 this time around?

It's not impossible.

While most people are looking at the Cubs just to be sellers, Hendry could add at least three intriguing players to change the face of the franchise. If you don't think he's exploring the availability of Alex Rodriguez, Bobby Abreu and Miguel Tejada, you don't know Hendry.

That's right, Alex Rodriguez.

It's hard to see Yankees GM Brian Cashman pulling the trigger on an A-Rod deal, but the two-time Most Valuable Player has become such a target for upset fans at Yankee Stadium that owner George Steinbrenner might decide to pull the plug. Rodriguez is a great player who has lost his confidence, first struggling to deliver runs in the clutch and recently bringing back memories of Steve Sax and Chuck Knoblauch with his errant throws.

ESPN analyst Steve Phillips, former general manager of the New York Mets, believes the Yankees should deal Rodriguez.

"It's become the thing to do in New York to boo Alex Rodriguez," Phillips said Sunday night. "When that happens in New York, it doesn't stop. Now you see it's impacting his performance. Ultimately I don't see how he gets out of this rut. I think they have to trade him."

If the Yankees let it be known they would move Rodriguez, a lot of teams would be interested. The Cubs are among the few who realistically could pursue a deal. They have both the financial flexibility and the parts to move back to New York.

Aramis Ramirez, signed through 2008 and lately killing the ball, would be welcomed with open arms in New York.

If the deal were expanded to include Jacque Jones, essentially making this one-stop shopping for Cashman, Rodriguez's biggest-in-baseball salary would not seem to be a huge issue.

Six years into his 10-year, $252 million contract, Rodriguez is due an unprecedented $27 million a year from 2007 through 2010. But the Texas Rangers so needed to get out from under their commitment that they are obligated to pay $52 million of that remaining $108 million.

Rodriguez has a full no-trade clause, complicating matters on the Yankees' end. But remember his visit to Wrigley Field during the 2003 National League Championship Series? He was shopping to relocate at the time, and Chicago was high on the list of places he would have liked to land.

Hendry, under as much heat as at any time since joining the Cubs, is motivated to make a move that improves his team and pleases fans. He could do both by adding Tejada, whom he has chased since last winter, or Abreu.

Dealing with the Orioles can be like banging your head against a wall. No one knows if owner Peter Angelos would really trade his shortstop for prospects, though it's clearly the right thing for Baltimore to do. Tejada isn't exactly taking the Orioles anyplace.

The same holds true with Abreu and the Phillies, though they're still on the fringe of the National League's wild-card race. He's 32 and signed through 2008 (including a club option for that season, which would be guaranteed with any deal), which is one year shorter than Tejada's contract.

Abreu doesn't offer as much power as Rodriguez or Tejada. But he's the kind of hitter the Cubs have been badly missing—a run producer who works counts and is a high on-base-percentage guy.

The Orioles and Phillies are looking for young pitching. The Cubs wouldn't seem to be a likely partner there, but never dismiss Hendry when it comes to putting together complicated trades. This should be an interesting week.

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Steve Phillips should shut his f*cking face.
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SHADDUP, Steve Phillips and Mr. Fuji.
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Ramirez and Jones? Hell no. Ramirez and Zambrano? Maybe.
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Jul 25 2006, 01:38 AM
Ramirez and Jones? Hell no. Ramirez and Zambrano? Maybe.

He's not getting traded, but expand that to include Eyre and/or Howry too, and I will consider it.
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Jul 25 2006, 12:47 AM
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Jul 25 2006, 01:38 AM
Ramirez and Jones?  Hell no.  Ramirez and Zambrano?  Maybe.

He's not getting traded, but expand that to include Eyre and/or Howry too, and I will consider it.

good point. Throw in one of those guys.
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Jul 25 2006, 12:47 AM
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ESPN analyst Steve Phillips, former general manager of the New York Mets, believes the Yankees should deal Rodriguez.

That is all you need to know to know if this idea would work, that f*cking fool
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That team is what, 38-60? Yeah, A-Rod's gonna waive his no-trade to go there and play in their filthy, old decrpeit - f*ck you, it's not a landmark - ballpark. That would be an even bigger blow to his image - and not just in New York, but throughout baseball - than if he finishes this season hitting .272/34 homeruns and makes 27 errors.
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I'd like to think we could get something more for A-Rod than what the Cubs could offer, but A-Rod isn't getting traded anyway so it's not even worth discussing at this point. Until Cashman or Steinbrenner begin the rumors, it's ridiculous to even have articles like this.
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A few of things:

1. What I said should not be construed as me saying he should be dealt, will be dealt, or that I would approve that deal. At least it makes some baseball sense though and gets value for A-Rod unlike some of the other ridiculous rumors. It would bring in a potential ace, a more than suitable replacement at third, and one or two good setup men. I say potential ace because of the NY and AL factors. I probably would not make that deal and don't want him traded.

2. Raissman made some good points in this morning's column. By A-Rod being looked at as a NY failure, leading to him being traded, Phillips could be trying to cover up his mistake of not going after A-Rod when he was a free agent. He could say he was right to go after him because he would have failed in NY anyway. It is also his way of validating his 24 + 1 man roster comments and is his way of getting back at A-Rod for comments made after Phillips' decision not to further pursue him. Phillips is making his mark in the media and doesn't seem to be interested in becoming a GM again, so he's using this to get his name and opinion out there, and it's working. Raissman concluded his article by pointing out Phillips said the Mets should trade Reyes last year. These are only a few reasons why Phillips cannot be taken seriously.

3. I'm not sure if that was a complete joke or not, but anyone who has gone to a game at Wrigley Field would not call it "filthy, old decrpeit - f*ck you, it's not a landmark - ballpark." Strider is right though. If he were to leave NY with his tail between his legs, A-Rod's legacy would be much more tainted than having a couple of bad months. He'd be on his 4th team and NY would be looked at as a failure despite some success, not just today, but when his career is reflected upon years from now. A-Rod will not approve a trade, the Yankees will not trade him, and any talk is greatly premature and misinformed.
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Phillips carries A-past

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For the better part of a month, Steve Phillips has urged Brian Cashman to trade Alex Rodriguez. Of all the commentary concerning the fragile Yankees third baseman, and his funk, Phillips, the former Mets GM, has provided the most provocative.

This is why ESPN suits are paying Phillips. With powerhouse national vehicles like ESPN Radio, ESPN "SportsCenter," and ESPN "Baseball Tonight," at his disposal, Phillips' "trade A-Rod" message has received maximum exposure without even reaching its crescendo.

Judging by the way he's flogged this line, Phillips has several more choruses to sing. This is his greatest hit album. Stevie One Note is a man on a mission. No, make that a crusade.

Is it personal?

Or is Phillips offering legitimate bias-free analysis?

The longer he continues to push for an A-Rod trade, the more recognition Phillips gets as a TV personality. This will help to further distance him from his halcyon days of Mo Vaughn and Roger Cedeño.

On Sunday's edition of "Baseball Tonight," Phillips was at it again. It only takes a blink of an eye, and the letter "A" rolling out of someone's mouth, to set him off.

"Ultimately, they are going to have to trade him and they can trade him if the time is right," Phillips said. "It's become the thing to do in New York to boo Alex Rodriguez. ... When that happens in New York, it doesn't stop. Now we see it impacting his performance. I don't see how he gets out of this rut. The Yankees have to move him and cut their losses now because it can get to the point where they can't move him."

Phillips was so persuasive, his colleague Harold Reynolds agreed A-Rod should be moved. John Kruk dissented. Reynolds and Kruk argued. This was wonderful TV inspired by Phillips.

Still, there is a bigger issue here. Former athletes, coaches and even general managers go into broadcasting with different agendas. For guys like Bill Parcells, Pat Riley and now Lou Piniella, the goal is to avoid controversy. They purposely pull punches because they want to return to coaching or managing. They don't want to criticize players or coaches they eventually will have to deal with.

Phillips does not have that problem. His candid commentary reveals a man whose immediate and distant future is in television. And yet, Phillips does carry baggage - his past. In a business where perception is reality, the intensity and frequency with which he has called for A-Rod to be traded is evidence enough to suggest this is all personal and not just a controversial piece of analysis.

Turn the clock back to 2000, when the Mets made a wee bit of noise about wanting to sign Rodriguez, then a free agent. It was Phillips who said that in order to sign with the Mets, Rodriguez wanted billboards, an office suite, a chartered jet, a merchandising tent and a separate PR staff.

"I have serious reservations about a structure in which you have a 24-plus-one man roster," Phillips said at the time. "I don't think it can work."

When Phillips now calls for the Yankees to trade A-Rod, is he simply reiterating his position of six years ago? Reiterating it with an agenda of ultimately being able to show everyone how right he was? With Rodriguez now a media and fan lightning rod, with all his self-analysis and verbal flagellation, have the Yankees actually become the "24-plus-one man roster" Phillips talked about in 2000?

Also, there was bad blood between Phillips and Rodriguez. Guys with big egos never forget this stuff. Immediately after A-Rod signed with Texas, he ripped Phillips for what he considered an unfair characterization.

"All I can say is, I wish I could play against Steve Phillips' team and lead 24 guys to beat 'em up," Rodriguez said in 2000. "I don't know Steve personally, but obviously he has an agenda against me. ... Now everyone thinks I'm selfish."

Phillips countered Rodriguez's remarks, saying: "I think he doth protest too much for someone who just received a $250 million contract. We wish him the best with his new team. It doesn't make sense to get into a response mode."

Maybe not then, but now Phillips may be making up for lost time. By calling for the Yankees to trade A-Rod, Phillips is saying Rodriguez does not have the mental capacity, or the physical wherewithal, to deal with the pressure of playing in New York. And he's saying it on ESPN, which is seen in 90 million households.

Yep, that's a big get-even stick Phillips is carrying.

Then again, maybe his motives are pure.

After all, last season Phillips urged the Mets to trade Jose Reyes.

Originally published on July 25, 2006


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball...1p-368931c.html
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Jul 25 2006, 12:47 AM
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Don't count out A-Rod in blue stripes
Remember Hendry's 2004 surprise
Phil Rogers On Baseball - The Chicago Tribune

July 24, 2006

Jim Hendry has pulled a rabbit out of his hat before at the trade deadline. But can the Cubs general manager top the Nomar Garciaparra deal of 2004 this time around?

It's not impossible.

While most people are looking at the Cubs just to be sellers, Hendry could add at least three intriguing players to change the face of the franchise. If you don't think he's exploring the availability of Alex Rodriguez, Bobby Abreu and Miguel Tejada, you don't know Hendry.

That's right, Alex Rodriguez.

It's hard to see Yankees GM Brian Cashman pulling the trigger on an A-Rod deal, but the two-time Most Valuable Player has become such a target for upset fans at Yankee Stadium that owner George Steinbrenner might decide to pull the plug. Rodriguez is a great player who has lost his confidence, first struggling to deliver runs in the clutch and recently bringing back memories of Steve Sax and Chuck Knoblauch with his errant throws.

ESPN analyst Steve Phillips, former general manager of the New York Mets, believes the Yankees should deal Rodriguez.

"It's become the thing to do in New York to boo Alex Rodriguez," Phillips said Sunday night. "When that happens in New York, it doesn't stop. Now you see it's impacting his performance. Ultimately I don't see how he gets out of this rut. I think they have to trade him."

If the Yankees let it be known they would move Rodriguez, a lot of teams would be interested. The Cubs are among the few who realistically could pursue a deal. They have both the financial flexibility and the parts to move back to New York.

Aramis Ramirez, signed through 2008 and lately killing the ball, would be welcomed with open arms in New York.

If the deal were expanded to include Jacque Jones, essentially making this one-stop shopping for Cashman, Rodriguez's biggest-in-baseball salary would not seem to be a huge issue.

Six years into his 10-year, $252 million contract, Rodriguez is due an unprecedented $27 million a year from 2007 through 2010. But the Texas Rangers so needed to get out from under their commitment that they are obligated to pay $52 million of that remaining $108 million.

Rodriguez has a full no-trade clause, complicating matters on the Yankees' end. But remember his visit to Wrigley Field during the 2003 National League Championship Series? He was shopping to relocate at the time, and Chicago was high on the list of places he would have liked to land.

Hendry, under as much heat as at any time since joining the Cubs, is motivated to make a move that improves his team and pleases fans. He could do both by adding Tejada, whom he has chased since last winter, or Abreu.

Dealing with the Orioles can be like banging your head against a wall. No one knows if owner Peter Angelos would really trade his shortstop for prospects, though it's clearly the right thing for Baltimore to do. Tejada isn't exactly taking the Orioles anyplace.

The same holds true with Abreu and the Phillies, though they're still on the fringe of the National League's wild-card race. He's 32 and signed through 2008 (including a club option for that season, which would be guaranteed with any deal), which is one year shorter than Tejada's contract.

Abreu doesn't offer as much power as Rodriguez or Tejada. But he's the kind of hitter the Cubs have been badly missing—a run producer who works counts and is a high on-base-percentage guy.

The Orioles and Phillies are looking for young pitching. The Cubs wouldn't seem to be a likely partner there, but never dismiss Hendry when it comes to putting together complicated trades. This should be an interesting week.

progers@tribune.com
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Don't waste our time with sh!tstain trade A-Rod articles.Don't waste our time with sh!tstain trade A-Rod articles.
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Steve Phillips is a dumb sh*t who needs to shut his f*cking mouth.
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Steve Phillips is a dumb sh*t who needs to shut his f*cking mouth.

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ARod should do to Phillips what Deion did to McCarver because of his personal hardon for ARod..
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