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JETER HAS NO RANGE.
Topic Started: May 24 2006, 10:42 PM (171 Views)
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Big play Derek!!!


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Big fu<king win. Who woulda thought we could have taken 2 of 3 after game 1?

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Jeters range in the hole to 'his' right is pretty good, however, he has little range going to his left.
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Yeah, he's always been able to make the jump play going to his right. It's still amazing seeing him do it each time though.
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Yeah, he's always been able to make the jump play going to his right. It's still amazing seeing him do it each time though.

:sunshine: <- And motherf*ck this board if that's not the code for it. I'm not going back and editting sh*t or going through the smilies to find it.

I didn't see the play but if you've seen one you've seen 'em all. That jump-throw sh*t is so overrated. That's a play that the average shortstop (with decent-good range) scoops, pivots and makes a strong throw with his feet on the ground. Nomar made a million of those and it looked routine -- because it's supposed to be routine. Derek has just found a way, with that play, to make his lack of range into a highlight.

If you wanna give him props, talk about the .352 average. I'll applaud that because he's been pissing me off with sub-par seasons since 2001. I've been saying since then that I'd stop hating on him if he hit .330+ again. Year's not over, but at least he's on pace and has been hitting the ball with more authority than I've seen in recent years. More linedrives and less of those gay "seeing-eye" groundball singles. Man, did those piss me off in 2002.
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Yeah, he's always been able to make the jump play going to his right.  It's still amazing seeing him do it each time though.

:sunshine: <- And motherf*ck this board if that's not the code for it. I'm not going back and editting sh*t or going through the smilies to find it.

I didn't see the play but if you've seen one you've seen 'em all. That jump-throw sh*t is so overrated. That's a play that the average shortstop (with decent-good range) scoops, pivots and makes a strong throw with his feet on the ground. Nomar made a million of those and it looked routine -- because it's supposed to be routine. Derek has just found a way, with that play, to make his lack of range into a highlight.

If you wanna give him props, talk about the .352 average. I'll applaud that because he's been pissing me off with sub-par seasons since 2001. I've been saying since then that I'd stop hating on him if he hit .330+ again. Year's not over, but at least he's on pace and has been hitting the ball with more authority than I've seen in recent years. More linedrives and less of those gay "seeing-eye" groundball singles. Man, did those piss me off in 2002.

5 or so strides about two feet on the grass behind A-Rod, throwing mid flight away from the direction of the play a one hop strike to Phillips in time to get the runner, overated? WOW! :smirk:
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Yeah, he's always been able to make the jump play going to his right.  It's still amazing seeing him do it each time though.

:sunshine: <- And motherf*ck this board if that's not the code for it. I'm not going back and editting sh*t or going through the smilies to find it.

I didn't see the play but if you've seen one you've seen 'em all. That jump-throw sh*t is so overrated. That's a play that the average shortstop (with decent-good range) scoops, pivots and makes a strong throw with his feet on the ground. Nomar made a million of those and it looked routine -- because it's supposed to be routine. Derek has just found a way, with that play, to make his lack of range into a highlight.

If you wanna give him props, talk about the .352 average. I'll applaud that because he's been pissing me off with sub-par seasons since 2001. I've been saying since then that I'd stop hating on him if he hit .330+ again. Year's not over, but at least he's on pace and has been hitting the ball with more authority than I've seen in recent years. More linedrives and less of those gay "seeing-eye" groundball singles. Man, did those piss me off in 2002.

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Strider. Derek Jeter is gonna have a 3,000 hit career. He's not Pete Rose. Get over '99.

Who cares if he hits groundball singles or if they are line drives. He's an all star hitter regardless and he's fullfilled his role as a Yankee great and has only hit under .300, I believe twice in his career. That's not underachieving.

I agree that that one throw is overrated, but he's still a very good shortstop and earned his gold glove. His errors have become been much fewer and further in between and his throwing arm is still one of the strongest amongst MLB shortstops.
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Yeah, he's always been able to make the jump play going to his right.  It's still amazing seeing him do it each time though.

:sunshine: <- And motherf*ck this board if that's not the code for it. I'm not going back and editting sh*t or going through the smilies to find it.

I didn't see the play but if you've seen one you've seen 'em all. That jump-throw sh*t is so overrated. That's a play that the average shortstop (with decent-good range) scoops, pivots and makes a strong throw with his feet on the ground. Nomar made a million of those and it looked routine -- because it's supposed to be routine. Derek has just found a way, with that play, to make his lack of range into a highlight.

If you wanna give him props, talk about the .352 average. I'll applaud that because he's been pissing me off with sub-par seasons since 2001. I've been saying since then that I'd stop hating on him if he hit .330+ again. Year's not over, but at least he's on pace and has been hitting the ball with more authority than I've seen in recent years. More linedrives and less of those gay "seeing-eye" groundball singles. Man, did those piss me off in 2002.

You're clueless. Stick to football.
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Derek has just found a way, with that play, to make his lack of range into a highlight.





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Yeah, he's always been able to make the jump play going to his right.  It's still amazing seeing him do it each time though.

:sunshine: <- And motherf*ck this board if that's not the code for it. I'm not going back and editting sh*t or going through the smilies to find it.

I didn't see the play but if you've seen one you've seen 'em all. That jump-throw sh*t is so overrated. That's a play that the average shortstop (with decent-good range) scoops, pivots and makes a strong throw with his feet on the ground. Nomar made a million of those and it looked routine -- because it's supposed to be routine. Derek has just found a way, with that play, to make his lack of range into a highlight.

If you wanna give him props, talk about the .352 average. I'll applaud that because he's been pissing me off with sub-par seasons since 2001. I've been saying since then that I'd stop hating on him if he hit .330+ again. Year's not over, but at least he's on pace and has been hitting the ball with more authority than I've seen in recent years. More linedrives and less of those gay "seeing-eye" groundball singles. Man, did those piss me off in 2002.

You're clueless. Stick to football.

I don't know as much baseball history (and I could give a f*ck about what happened in the 80's), but I'm probably less clueless about the game than you, Peppy Teamlover. That jump-throw is overrated. I've seen several other shortstops, including Nomar (who wasn't a very good SS), field a ball at similar depth and get the out, sans the theatric acrobatics. Didn't make Web Gems because they made the routine play look like a routine play. Excuse my language...range factor.

I'm sorry if I didn't say it all happy-like, but the point was made. He's hitting the ball with more authority and making more solid contact than he has the last few seasons. I know the box score says that "a basehit's a basehit" but there is a difference between a linedrive and a grounder that rolls just out of the reach of the second baseman. I don't know if he's changed his approach or if those squats he did in the Ford commercial helped, but I'm glad he's having a not-sub-par season. I was never pleased with .292 and .309 from a hitter who had a three-year stretch in which his average was .337 with a .400 OBP.

And I've said it before but I don't think people care, realized or cared to realize. I'm not a Jeter hater. Until last year (when he was supplanted by Matsui), he had always been my second favorite player, behind Bernie Williams. But I step back and look at it objectively. A bunch of "good" seasons from a player capable of more doesn't make me smile. Bernie Williams (my favorite until he retires) still being on this team doesn't make me smile. Matsui and his prolonged slumps with countless grounders to 2B in which he seems to forget that he's capable of taking the outside pitch the other way, doesn't make me smile.

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Strider. Derek Jeter is gonna have a 3,000 hit career. He's not Pete Rose. Get over '99.

Who cares if he hits groundball singles or if they are line drives. He's an all star hitter regardless and he's fullfilled his role as a Yankee great and has only hit under .300, I believe twice in his career. That's not underachieving.


Can't say "gonna." His career could end tomororw; his life could too. But he's on pace. And I appreciate that. But like I said, .297 from a guy who had a 3-year run in his mid-twenties when he looked great, I'm not satisfied. You don't think A-Rod hitting .286 with 36 homers in 2004 was underachieving? When the bar is raised high, a drop off still looks good or OK, but it's underachieving. Not saying he was slacking, but this season for Jeter just proves that he's capable of more than what he had produced the last 4-5 years.

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I don't know as much baseball history (and I could give a f*ck about what happened in the 80's), but I'm probably less clueless about the game than you, Peppy Teamlover. That jump-throw is overrated. I've seen several other shortstops, including Nomar (who wasn't a very good SS), field a ball at similar depth and get the out, sans the theatric acrobatics. Didn't make Web Gems because they made the routine play look like a routine play. Excuse my language...range factor.

I'm sorry if I didn't say it all happy-like, but the point was made. He's hitting the ball with more authority and making more solid contact than he has the last few seasons. I know the box score says that "a basehit's a basehit" but there is a difference between a linedrive and a grounder that rolls just out of the reach of the second baseman. I don't know if he's changed his approach or if those squats he did in the Ford commercial helped, but I'm glad he's having a not-sub-par season. I was never pleased with .292 and .309 from a hitter who had a three-year stretch in which his average was .337 with a .400 OBP.

And I've said it before but I don't think people care, realized or cared to realize. I'm not a Jeter hater. Until last year (when he was supplanted by Matsui), he had always been my second favorite player, behind Bernie Williams. But I step back and look at it objectively. A bunch of "good" seasons from a player capable of more doesn't make me smile. Bernie Williams (my favorite until he retires) still being on this team doesn't make me smile. Matsui and his prolonged slumps with countless grounders to 2B in which he seems to forget that he's capable of taking the outside pitch the other way, doesn't make me smile.

You didn't even see the play. You just have to rip on Jeter because he doesn't hit .349 every season. Show me someone who has hit .330 every season like you want. That's why you're clueless. You don't realize a batting average is an average. It's not a set in stone number that will be repeated every season. Hell, Pete Rose was a .303 career hitter. Jeter has never hit below .291. If you had a clue, you'd realize that's quite an accomplishment. Perhaps when they add those robot umps you want, the Yanks can sign 25 robots to play. That way you can get your .330 and perfect defense out of every single one of them. It's not just the history of the game that you're lacking.
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Hey, don't diss my boy strizzle!

But to be serious, everyone should know that Jeter is not a very good SS on defense because he doesn't have the range for it. I'm happy that his glove has improved though.

Jeter has been a good hitter the past few seasons though, just not a great hitter like he was in the late 90s.
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I don't know as much baseball history (and I could give a f*ck about what happened in the 80's), but I'm probably less clueless about the game than you, Peppy Teamlover. That jump-throw is overrated. I've seen several other shortstops, including Nomar (who wasn't a very good SS), field a ball at similar depth and get the out, sans the theatric acrobatics. Didn't make Web Gems because they made the routine play look like a routine play. Excuse my language...range factor.

I'm sorry if I didn't say it all happy-like, but the point was made. He's hitting the ball with more authority and making more solid contact than he has the last few seasons. I know the box score says that "a basehit's a basehit" but there is a difference between a linedrive and a grounder that rolls just out of the reach of the second baseman. I don't know if he's changed his approach or if those squats he did in the Ford commercial helped, but I'm glad he's having a not-sub-par season. I was never pleased with .292 and .309 from a hitter who had a three-year stretch in which his average was .337 with a .400 OBP.

And I've said it before but I don't think people care, realized or cared to realize. I'm not a Jeter hater. Until last year (when he was supplanted by Matsui), he had always been my second favorite player, behind Bernie Williams. But I step back and look at it objectively. A bunch of "good" seasons from a player capable of more doesn't make me smile. Bernie Williams (my favorite until he retires) still being on this team doesn't make me smile. Matsui and his prolonged slumps with countless grounders to 2B in which he seems to forget that he's capable of taking the outside pitch the other way, doesn't make me smile.

You didn't even see the play. You just have to rip on Jeter because he doesn't hit .349 every season. Show me someone who has hit .330 every season like you want. That's why you're clueless. You don't realize a batting average is an average. It's not a set in stone number that will be repeated every season. Hell, Pete Rose was a .303 career hitter. Jeter has never hit below .291. If you had a clue, you'd realize that's quite an accomplishment. Perhaps when they add those robot umps you want, the Yanks can sign 25 robots to play. That way you can get your .330 and perfect defense out of every single one of them. It's not just the history of the game that you're lacking.

Yes, I realize batting average fluctuates. Even Pujols went from .359 to .331. What I don't like is the gradual decline, followed by the semi-precipitous drop (I don't need to do the ".349-.339..." do I?) and the level-off at that level. And I've explained this before. He set a standard for 3 seasons and for him to fall 30+ points short of that for five years, it's disappointing. Cringe, here comes a comparison: What's your favorite band, R.E.M., Metallica? Let's say that they put out 4 straight albums that are OK, compared to what else is out there, but below the standard they had previously set. You gonna say "Well, it's still better than most and they're not gonna get an A+ for everything so I'm satisfied." Eminem's last two albums "Encore" and "Curtain Call" were better than most rap out there, but crap for him and he probably shouldn't have even released them. He followed 4 classics with two "pretty goods." If it's batting average, based on his first 4 albums, he's probably still batting .368. But those damn .295 and .301 seasons were a disappointment and as a fan, I shouldn't like it.

And did I not give the man credit for his .350 average?

Hopefully the robots will take over sometime in the near future. That way, Steinbrenner might actually get his money's worth. He'll field a team of bots programmed to hit .340 with 45 homeruns and pitch to 2.30 ERAs and there will be no upsets.
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I know you gave him props and I am thrilled he's stepped it up this year too. I just think you're a little too hard on the guy. I have a couple of favorites and one of them is Pearl Jam. They put out 2 great albums, one of them absolutely legendary, then put out some that had great pieces, but some disappointing tracks. Now they put out a new one that is considered their best in years. That said, I own them all, listen to them all, and love them all. For once, I don't mind one of your silly analogies, but I still appreciate Jeter even in what you consider subpar seasons.
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Strider. Derek Jeter is gonna have a 3,000 hit career. He's not Pete Rose.



Not totally impossible Allan. If he can play to 45 like Rose did, he'll have one hell of a shot.


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Hey, don't diss my boy strizzle!

But to be serious, everyone should know that Jeter is not a very good SS on defense because he doesn't have the range for it. I'm happy that his glove has improved though.

Jeter has been a good hitter the past few seasons though, just not a great hitter like he was in the late 90s.

the post was about the particular play, right? is he the best SS in the league? probably not. But, to say that type of athletic play is overrated? is just plain ludacris. da man gotz skeeels ya'll need to recognize, ya heard? :peace: :laugh: :agent:
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Strider. Derek Jeter is gonna have a 3,000 hit career. He's not Pete Rose.



Not totally impossible Allan. If he can play to 45 like Rose did, he'll have one hell of a shot.

There's no way he'll play that long, but if he somehow does, yes, he has a shot. Rose padded his hit totals by pinch hitting himself a lot as a manager. I'd be surprised if Jeter coaches immediately after his career. At this pace, he'll be a bachelor most of his career, and will probably end up settling down afterwards. Plus players don't need to play as long anymore because of the money they make. I saw Sheff mention the other day he's not going to coach after he retires. You know if he made a lot less money, it'd be a possibility, as much of a dick as he can be.
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Strider, Jeter DOES have plenty of flaws in his game, but there really hasn't been any gradual decline. He's actually been very consistent besides 2, 3 OUTSTANDING seasons (Not including this one) He's gonna get somewhere in the .310 range usually. That is great. That's like being dissapointed in Kobe for averaging 27 and not 35. Oh by the way, have you ever noticed that his on base percentage has been off the charts the past couple of seasons. He's not a free swinger anymore.
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Strider, Jeter DOES have plenty of flaws in his game, but there really hasn't been any gradual decline. He's actually been very consistent besides 2, 3 OUTSTANDING seasons (Not including this one) He's gonna get somewhere in the .310 range usually. That is great. That's like being dissapointed in Kobe for averaging 27 and not 35. Oh by the way, have you ever noticed that his on base percentage has been off the charts the past couple of seasons. He's not a free swinger anymore.

It's not worth trying to get him to get it. Strider thinks if you have a career season, you need to every single season. So Kobe needs to average those 35 a game the rest of his career. Dammit, why is Kobe being discussed in thread about Jeter? I shouldn't have added to your analogy, but it was applicable.
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Strider. Derek Jeter is gonna have a 3,000 hit career. He's not Pete Rose.



Not totally impossible Allan. If he can play to 45 like Rose did, he'll have one hell of a shot.

There's no way he'll play that long, but if he somehow does, yes, he has a shot. Rose padded his hit totals by pinch hitting himself a lot as a manager. I'd be surprised if Jeter coaches immediately after his career. At this pace, he'll be a bachelor most of his career, and will probably end up settling down afterwards. Plus players don't need to play as long anymore because of the money they make. I saw Sheff mention the other day he's not going to coach after he retires. You know if he made a lot less money, it'd be a possibility, as much of a dick as he can be.



But we know that money isn't Jeter's main motivation. He already has enough for 5 lifetimes. Right now, Jeter's only motivation is Championships. However, as he gets older he may become more concerned with his place in history, statistically.


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Hey, don't diss my boy strizzle!

But to be serious, everyone should know that Jeter is not a very good SS on defense because he doesn't have the range for it. I'm happy that his glove has improved though.

Jeter has been a good hitter the past few seasons though, just not a great hitter like he was in the late 90s.

the post was about the particular play, right? is he the best SS in the league? probably not. But, to say that type of athletic play is overrated? is just plain ludacris. da man gotz skeeels ya'll need to recognize, ya heard? :peace: :laugh: :agent:

What Strider is saying is that other players can make that outstanding play look easy. If it wasn't for Jeter's lack of range, he wouldn't have to go through that tough play.
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Strider. Derek Jeter is gonna have a 3,000 hit career. He's not Pete Rose.



Not totally impossible Allan. If he can play to 45 like Rose did, he'll have one hell of a shot.

There's no way he'll play that long, but if he somehow does, yes, he has a shot. Rose padded his hit totals by pinch hitting himself a lot as a manager. I'd be surprised if Jeter coaches immediately after his career. At this pace, he'll be a bachelor most of his career, and will probably end up settling down afterwards. Plus players don't need to play as long anymore because of the money they make. I saw Sheff mention the other day he's not going to coach after he retires. You know if he made a lot less money, it'd be a possibility, as much of a dick as he can be.



But we know that money isn't Jeter's main motivation. He already has enough for 5 lifetimes. Right now, Jeter's only motivation is Championships. However, as he gets older he may become more concerned with his place in history, statistically.

That's part of my point. He doesn't need money, so he doesn't have to keep playing. I see 40 as the oldest he will play. As for his place in history, that's possible, but you hear everything he says. He doesn't pay attention to numbers. That's obviously somewhat untrue, but I think if you end up with 3500 hits, 4+ titles, 2+ Gold Gloves, and many other accomplishments, your place in history is very secure.

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What Strider is saying is that other players can make that outstanding play look easy. If it wasn't for Jeter's lack of range, he wouldn't have to go through that tough play.


I'll counter that point by saying he makes up for his lack of range by making the play the way he does. Others without top range, don't make that play.
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His place is already secure.

However "All Time Hit King" has a really nice ring to it.


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His place is already secure.

However "All Time Hit King" has a really nice ring to it.

Indeed. I hope it happens. I am doubtful though. Prove me wrong, DJ!
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Hey, don't diss my boy strizzle!

But to be serious, everyone should know that Jeter is not a very good SS on defense because he doesn't have the range for it. I'm happy that his glove has improved though.

Jeter has been a good hitter the past few seasons though, just not a great hitter like he was in the late 90s.

the post was about the particular play, right? is he the best SS in the league? probably not. But, to say that type of athletic play is overrated? is just plain ludacris. da man gotz skeeels ya'll need to recognize, ya heard? :peace: :laugh: :agent:

What Strider is saying is that other players can make that outstanding play look easy. If it wasn't for Jeter's lack of range, he wouldn't have to go through that tough play.

which just proves my point, if he does lack the "natural ability" to make that play he makes up for it in guts and heart, and is still a very tough play to make! C'mon you want to hate the guy for something, that's fine, but he lays it on the line every night, no question.
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I think 3,000 is very realistic. Worse case scenario he gets it in 7-8 years instead of 5-6.
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