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VC Complaint Thread - Game 1 at Fenway; Started by a so-called sunshiner
Topic Started: May 22 2006, 07:18 PM (209 Views)
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Can Sheffield get back here and produce so Giambi doesn't have to be in the 3 hole anymore? I really can't stand him batting third and I felt that way even when he was hot as hell. I think Giambi is at the point in his career where he can produce, but can't be considered one of the elite hitters on the team. He's so much better in a less pressurized spot like 5th.

Damon, Jeter, Sheffield, A-Rod, Giambi, Posada, Cano, whoever, whoever
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Why is A-Rod first pitch swinging? They need to work counts and get Schilling's pitch count up. They didn't learn from Game 6.
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Matty joining the darkside? :gaysmile:
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May 22 2006, 07:53 PM
Matty joining the darkside? :gaysmile:

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RRRRRRrrrrrr :annoyed:

Enough of these soft lesbians. Time to watch Patton. :agent:
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Everyone should be on the dark side now. This team is ugly to watch.
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May 22 2006, 10:48 PM
Everyone should be on the dark side now. This team is ugly to watch.



It ain't gonna be easy this year - that's for sure.


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May 22 2006, 10:48 PM
Everyone should be on the dark side now. This team is ugly to watch.



It ain't gonna be easy this year - that's for sure.

Our only chance is to back door the wild card.
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May 22 2006, 10:51 PM
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Everyone should be on the dark side now. This team is ugly to watch.



It ain't gonna be easy this year - that's for sure.

Our only chance is to back door the wild card.



I'm not conceding the division yet. We're still close, and look at our DL. Alot of those guys are going to be back.

Matsui is a killer - no question.

But that soft C*** Pavano is a monster. We needed him.

Clemens is starting to look more and more necessary.


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You can't concede the division yet. Most of us didn't think they'd sniff the playoffs last year.
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They won't sniff the playoffs this year if this pitching staff doesn't improve. Not one of these dickheads knows what to do after they get a lead (well, Mussina's been good but that's it). They go right back out there and piss it away the next half inning, it's disgusting to watch.
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[size=7]THEY'RE WINNING THE DIVISION. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. I DON'T WANT TO READ ANY BULLSHIT ABOUT "THEY'RE NOT MAKING THE PLAYOFFS...OH, HEAVENS!" ALL THE CRAP THAT'S GONE ON AND THEY'RE LIKE 2 GAMES BACK. IT'S A LOCK.[/size]

But so? The f*ck does a playoff appearance mean? It's championship or you might as well have forfeit the entire season. And this team can't contend for a championship. So if you're gonna rip them and doubt them, attack it the right way.
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May 22 2006, 11:45 PM
You can't concede the division yet. Most of us didn't think they'd sniff the playoffs last year.

If we go 7-12 (1-4 so far) against the Sox we're not winning the division.
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You can't concede the division yet.  Most of us didn't think they'd sniff the playoffs last year.

If we go 7-12 (1-4 so far) against the Sox we're not winning the division.

f*ck it...we'll be lucky if we take 2 more games off them the rest of the season.

f*ck it
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May 22 2006, 11:45 PM
You can't concede the division yet.  Most of us didn't think they'd sniff the playoffs last year.

If we go 7-12 (1-4 so far) against the Sox we're not winning the division.

It'd certainly be tough, but stranger things have happened. Dominating TB instead of rolling over for them like last year would certainly help.
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Well, we went 4-8 against Boston in '99, and still took the Division by 4 games. It's not out of the question, and it's a matter of when we win those 7 games. I won't give the division away yet, but if the pitching staff is not improved, we're in deep sh*t.
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May 23 2006, 04:56 PM
Well, we went 4-8 against Boston in '99, and still took the Division by 4 games. It's not out of the question, and it's a matter of when we win those 7 games. I won't give the division away yet, but if the pitching staff is not improved, we're in deep sh*t.

Plus beat them in the ALCS in 5. I agree though, the pitching clearly needs to improve to do that this year.
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Well, we went 4-8 against Boston in '99, and still took the Division by 4 games.  It's not out of the question, and it's a matter of when we win those 7 games.  I won't give the division away yet, but if the pitching staff is not improved, we're in deep sh*t.

Plus beat them in the ALCS in 5. I agree though, the pitching clearly needs to improve to do that this year.



And Clemens might be the only way to do that.

Fu<king fagg0t Pavano. :wall:



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Well, we went 4-8 against Boston in '99, and still took the Division by 4 games.  It's not out of the question, and it's a matter of when we win those 7 games.  I won't give the division away yet, but if the pitching staff is not improved, we're in deep sh*t.

Plus beat them in the ALCS in 5. I agree though, the pitching clearly needs to improve to do that this year.



And Clemens might be the only way to do that.

Fu<king fagg0t Pavano. :wall:

He couldn't hurt, that's for damn sure. Give him a blank check and whatever else he wants (I'm half serious, obviously, but I really would like to see him back here).
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Clemens won't cost Hughes. That's the bottom line.


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Well, we went 4-8 against Boston in '99, and still took the Division by 4 games.  It's not out of the question, and it's a matter of when we win those 7 games.  I won't give the division away yet, but if the pitching staff is not improved, we're in deep sh*t.

Plus beat them in the ALCS in 5. I agree though, the pitching clearly needs to improve to do that this year.



And Clemens might be the only way to do that.

Fu<king fagg0t Pavano. :wall:

Who knows. He wasn't exactly effective in that series.
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Everybody knows I'd love to get Zito, but that isn't happening without Hughes (and then some).


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May 23 2006, 04:56 PM
Well, we went 4-8 against Boston in '99, and still took the Division by 4 games.  It's not out of the question, and it's a matter of when we win those 7 games.  I won't give the division away yet, but if the pitching staff is not improved, we're in deep sh*t.

Plus beat them in the ALCS in 5. I agree though, the pitching clearly needs to improve to do that this year.



And Clemens might be the only way to do that.

Fu<king fagg0t Pavano. :wall:

Who knows. He wasn't exactly effective in that series.



True - but that was before he officially "became a Yankee".


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May 23 2006, 04:56 PM
Well, we went 4-8 against Boston in '99, and still took the Division by 4 games.  It's not out of the question, and it's a matter of when we win those 7 games.  I won't give the division away yet, but if the pitching staff is not improved, we're in deep sh*t.

Plus beat them in the ALCS in 5. I agree though, the pitching clearly needs to improve to do that this year.



And Clemens might be the only way to do that.

Fu<king fagg0t Pavano. :wall:

Who knows. He wasn't exactly effective in that series.



True - but that was before he officially "became a Yankee".

True, and it doesn't mean I don't want him right now. I don't think it's a lock he'll be the Clemens we expect, but like you said, it doesn't cost them Hughes. Just go for Zito in the offseason if you want to take a flyer on him in NY.
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On another board, for the Knicks, we use a term called "Starphucking" (Not sure if you guys have heard it or not before) and it's when one overpays and/or overhypes a popular name, particularly when they are just getting over the hill, or are already there, or when they can't really help your team. This is what I've been complaining about the Yankees for quite sometime, b/c they've been doing it for 8 years, and though they won 2 World Series at the beginning, it hasn't worked at all since then. Which leads me to Roger Clemens...

Give Roger a blank check? Are you nuts? I hated signing Randy for that extension we gave him. Clemens is gonna eventually be over the hill, and constantly depending on these washed up players is bad business. What we need to do is stop relying on 40 plus year old pitchers, and completely rebuild. Mix the darn thing up. Wang is a great start! But he's not an Ace, nor someone to build around. He's a 3 or 4 pitcher at best.

I don't have any ideas how to rebuild BTW, b/c that's not my field, nor is it in basketball. I HATE trade proposals b/c they don't happen and most of them sound stupid anyway. But I still say it needs to be done in a way so that we don't HOPE that each of our top 3 pitchers go back to their vintage days, which seems fewer and further in between. We need to know what everyone is gonna give us for once.
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Well signing Clemens won't mess up anything with the youth. It's basically taking a shot this year, and if it doesn't work out, it's just money. I don't like big money contracts either, but that's because I don't like untradable contracts. Clemens would be a 3-4 month rental at a lot of money, but it would only be money, and it wouldn't matter that it's untradable because the contract would end at the end of the season. It's actually a way to save the youth, especially Philip Hughes, who most teams want in any trades.
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I'm not even worried about messing with the youth. It's exactly what you said. It's signing him to a LONG TERM deal that I'm worried about, and even though I'm sure RC isn't interested in that, I know the Yankees wouldn't hesitate to do it, b/c they did it with Randy. I hope they learned from that mistake, b/c obviously RJ hasn't been the dominant pitcher, I knew he wouldn't be....

If the Yankees sign him for this year only, I wouldn't mind. We seem like we're sinking in a hole anyway, so if it's a one year deal, and we don't sacrifice anyone in the process, then go for it.

BTW, can you just give be a quick brief description of this Phillip Hughes character? The only Yankee minor league guys I'm familiar with are Melky Cabrera and Eric Duncan. I hear we have some "Superstar pitcher" on the rise growing up down there?
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I hated the Unit trade, especially extending him another 2 years through his 43rd b-day at $16 million per. That said, there's no way it happens with Clemens. If that were the case, he wouldn't be able to come out of his 10th retirement, tell everyone he's probably gone, show up at some public events, say he might come back, and then enjoy the media attention for 3 months while he keeps everyone hanging.

Hughes was their #1 pick two drafts ago. He's 19, was recently promoted to AA Trenton, and here is an article I found on him after he struggled in his AA debut:



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Hughes Struggles In Double-A Debut
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May 5, 2006 

After dominating the Florida State League, Yankees No. 1 prospect Philip Hughes made his debut Thursday with Double-A Trenton, and the results were less than glowing.

But that doesn't mean the 19-year-old righthander didn't come away from his first Double-A outing without learning some valuable lessons about facing tougher competition, and perhaps more importantly, himself.

Hughes, who went 2-3, 1.80 with a 30-2 strikeout-walk ratio at high Class A Tampa before being promoted last weekend, allowed four earned runs on seven hits over six innings in a 5-3 loss to Reading.

"Well, it's been better," Hughes said. "I was just having trouble getting ahead of hitters throughout the game. It was one of those things--my velocity was good, my stuff was good, but my command of my pitches obviously wasn't so good."

The first-rounder in 2004 (23rd overall) walked two and struck out three. His fastball ranged in the 90-93 mph range, topping out at 94 several times. While the velocity was there, Hughes found himself working from behind in the count consistently all night, a far cry from his days in the FSL.

“I give the hitters credit for what they did—I made them more patient because I didn’t have good control of my pitches,” Hughes said. “And I didn’t help myself out much at all. It seemed like I was forcing myself into situations to get out of the majority of the time.”

Trouble came early. Hughes gave up an infield single to leadoff hitter Michael Bourn to start the game. That more or less set the tone, as Bourn, who is among the Eastern League leaders in stolen bases, promptly stole second base (his 12th of the year) and later scored from third base on a wild pitch by Hughes.

But the real damage came in the fifth, when Reading second baseman Tim Moss led off the inning with a triple. Hughes then walked Bourn. Moss came home on a groundout, and Bourn later scored on a single by Jim Rushford to give the Phillies a 4-2 lead.

"I just didn't help myself out or work out of jams like I normally would," Hughes said. "I gave in (to hitters) at times, I think. I'm not trying to make excuses, but I just didn't throw the ball like I know I'm capable of doing. I didn't do my job, and that's the bottom line.

"I thought my changeup was good and that might have been my best pitch in terms of my confidence in it and commanding it. My curveball was OK--there were some good ones and there were some bad ones. I had a little trouble finding my release point and that's just one of those things I need to be more consistent with. It was a little different atmosphere (than in the Florida State League)--I guess I had more of a comfort level there. But that's what this is all about--moving up to the next level and rising to the challenge. I just didn''t do that tonight and hopefully that will get better as we move along."


http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prosp...ews/261199.html

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