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Torre has choke and a smile; by Lisa Olson, Daily News
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ANAHEIM - Of all the lasting images, the sight of Bubba Crosby doing a header into Gary Sheffield still makes Joe Torre smile.
That's right, Yankee fans, especially those of you on the verge of leaping off the Macombs Dam Bridge. Sometimes all you can do is grin and bear it. Sometimes the season begins the way it ends, with a burst of hope followed by a sputter. The Yankees are 1-3 following last night's 4-1 loss to the Angels, and anyone who expects to glean much from that notation ought to start practicing his or her swan dive.

There will be many more stressful junctures for the Yankees before October hits. That's a guarantee. Shawn Chacon fell back to earth with a thud against the Angels, getting knocked silly for eight hits and four runs across 4-2/3 innings. The Yankees looked as if they were swinging licorice ropes against Kelvim Escobar. But is it time to worry, or to chill?

If you voted for the former, you might want to do a refresher course on the Yankees of 2005. At one point they were nine games back in the division, before turning autumn into a furious sprint to the AL East title. Of course, it all ended with embarrassed shrugs at Angel Stadium, a ballpark where the ritual of beating the Yankees has replaced all the corny gimmicks.


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1. If I made $10M per to drink tea and be incompetant, I'd smile too.
2. Lisa Olsen is a damn good writer. This column smells like a "Oh sh*t, I just need a story before deadline...something" piece and she pulled a half-decent one out of her ass. It really went nowhere and the only useful thing she dug was Torre's comment. Managed to tie that into the steroids stuff and the team's current situation. Me, I'd have taken that quote and used it as the lead into a "reasons Torre should be fired" column. I'd have used that spring training picture with him yawning. But what Olsen did was slick and I give her props for that - 804 words on absolutely nothing but it kinda reads like something.
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She needs to shut up. This aint 2005, the Red Sox aren't as bad as people predicted and if we plan on starting 11-19 again, we aint winning the division. It is definitely time to start worrying.
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I'll give you 2002. I'll even give you 2003. But nobody is going to convince me Torre shouldn't have been shown the door after that 2004 ALCS embarassment. He is constantly out coached in almost every series we play now. I'm sick of his act and I'm sick of his face. It's time Teflon Joe starts being held accountable.
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I'll give you 2002. I'll even give you 2003. But nobody is going to convince me Torre shouldn't have been shown the door after that 2004 ALCS embarassment. He is constantly out coached in almost every series we play now. I'm sick of his act and I'm sick of his face. It's time Teflon Joe starts being held accountable.

Does this guy have VC stripes? It might be time to open up the books and get him straightened out. For now, you're in my crew. You're my little Paulie. Posted Image
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I'll give you 2002. I'll even give you 2003. But nobody is going to convince me Torre shouldn't have been shown the door after that 2004 ALCS embarassment. He is constantly out coached in almost every series we play now. I'm sick of his act and I'm sick of his face. It's time Teflon Joe starts being held accountable.

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I laugh when I see that play too. The sole reason being...BUBBA CROSBY IS ACTUALLY IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES.
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I laugh when I see that play too. The sole reason being...BUBBA CROSBY IS ACTUALLY IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES.

Thanks for the reminder.
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I'll give you 2002. I'll even give you 2003. But nobody is going to convince me Torre shouldn't have been shown the door after that 2004 ALCS embarassment. He is constantly out coached in almost every series we play now. I'm sick of his act and I'm sick of his face. It's time Teflon Joe starts being held accountable.

Does this guy have VC stripes? It might be time to open up the books and get him straightened out. For now, you're in my crew. You're my little Paulie. Posted Image

Nah, seriously, this is bullsh*t now. It's one thing when you have a team you know that sucks. The expectations aren't high. But the nonsense that has gone here since a dark fall night in Arizona is enough. Big name after big name and jack sh*t to show for it. Hell, I hardly see the intesnity anymore. But when you have names on your roster like this team does and they make the same mistakes over and over again something needs to change. This team reminds me of a exact carbon copy of the 1998-2004 NY Rangers. Big names and nothing to show for it.
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I'll give you 2002. I'll even give you 2003. But nobody is going to convince me Torre shouldn't have been shown the door after that 2004 ALCS embarassment. He is constantly out coached in almost every series we play now. I'm sick of his act and I'm sick of his face. It's time Teflon Joe starts being held accountable.

Does this guy have VC stripes? It might be time to open up the books and get him straightened out. For now, you're in my crew. You're my little Paulie. Posted Image

Koc hasn't poured the oil on his head yet, but from what I've seen, he's Clique worthy.
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I laugh when I see that play too.  The sole reason being...BUBBA CROSBY IS ACTUALLY IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES.

Thanks for the reminder.

nother tripple for Thompson tonight. :-|
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I'll give you 2002. I'll even give you 2003. But nobody is going to convince me Torre shouldn't have been shown the door after that 2004 ALCS embarassment. He is constantly out coached in almost every series we play now. I'm sick of his act and I'm sick of his face. It's time Teflon Joe starts being held accountable.

Does this guy have VC stripes? It might be time to open up the books and get him straightened out. For now, you're in my crew. You're my little Paulie. Posted Image

Nah, seriously, this is bullsh*t now. It's one thing when you have a team you know that sucks. The expectations aren't high. But the nonsense that has gone here since a dark fall night in Arizona is enough. Big name after big name and jack sh*t to show for it. Hell, I hardly see the intesnity anymore. But when you have names on your roster like this team does and they make the same mistakes over and over again something needs to change. This team reminds me of a exact carbon copy of the 1998-2004 NY Rangers. Big names and nothing to show for it.

Do your ancestors trace back to the boot?
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I'll give you 2002. I'll even give you 2003. But nobody is going to convince me Torre shouldn't have been shown the door after that 2004 ALCS embarassment. He is constantly out coached in almost every series we play now. I'm sick of his act and I'm sick of his face. It's time Teflon Joe starts being held accountable.

Does this guy have VC stripes? It might be time to open up the books and get him straightened out. For now, you're in my crew. You're my little Paulie. Posted Image

Nah, seriously, this is bullsh*t now. It's one thing when you have a team you know that sucks. The expectations aren't high. But the nonsense that has gone here since a dark fall night in Arizona is enough. Big name after big name and jack sh*t to show for it. Hell, I hardly see the intesnity anymore. But when you have names on your roster like this team does and they make the same mistakes over and over again something needs to change. This team reminds me of a exact carbon copy of the 1998-2004 NY Rangers. Big names and nothing to show for it.

Do your ancestors trace back to the boot?

Yes, all of them.
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I laugh when I see that play too.  The sole reason being...BUBBA CROSBY IS ACTUALLY IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES.

Thanks for the reminder.

nother tripple for Thompson tonight. :-|

It makes me sick he's not on the team. He could probably even be more valuable than Bernice Williams. :furious2:
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I laugh when I see that play too.  The sole reason being...BUBBA CROSBY IS ACTUALLY IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES.

Thanks for the reminder.

nother tripple for Thompson tonight. :-|

It makes me sick he's not on the team. He could probably even be more valuable than Bernice Williams. :furious2:

Honestly. I usually try not to be the type to have a knee jerk reaction, but he should be starting in RF everyday with Sheffield DHing. Its not even like its just the 5th OFer anymore. This kid should be the short term solution out there right now. Not because he's special, because Bernie Williams and Jorge Posada have been our DHs this year :-|
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I'm skeptical about Thompson being worth much of anything to us as a regular starter, especially starting out in a spot like RF, but with the way Bernie is hitting, they might have to pursue this option
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with the way Bernie is hitting, they might have to pursue this option
Thats the key phrase. I mean, I'm a fan of the guy, but I can't say he should be starting anywhere, let alone NY.
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Still think we should give Carlos Pena a look and had signed Frank Thomas back when he was available or Mo Lena to start behind the plate and Posada DH and be out of our hair.
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I'm skeptical about Thompson being worth much of anything to us as a regular starter, especially starting out in a spot like RF, but with the way Bernie is hitting, they might have to pursue this option

I loved Bernie. I really did. I have so many great memories of him but now every time I see him I want to puke. Somebody really should have sat him down and told him he's a old man who can't play at this level anymore. He's embarassing himself on a daily basis yet people still don't see this.
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I'm skeptical about Thompson being worth much of anything to us as a regular starter, especially starting out in a spot like RF, but with the way Bernie is hitting, they might have to pursue this option

I loved Bernie. I really did. I have so many great memories of him but now every time I see him I want to puke. Somebody really should have sat him down and told him he's a old man who can't play at this level anymore. He's embarassing himself on a daily basis yet people still don't see this.

He owes Steinbrenner the last few years for all he's stolen. Every AB he takes, the less he deserves to be remembered in Yankee history. If he keeps this up, he will be nicknamed the Whore of the Bronx.
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- Of all the lasting images, the sight of Bubba Crosby doing a header into Gary Sheffield still makes Joe Torre smile.
Is this a-hole kidding me with that comment?
That's like a top NYC Prosecutor saying...I still laugh at the day I lost that huge case against the serial killer b/c I ruined the evidence.
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I'm skeptical about Thompson being worth much of anything to us as a regular starter, especially starting out in a spot like RF, but with the way Bernie is hitting, they might have to pursue this option

I loved Bernie. I really did. I have so many great memories of him but now every time I see him I want to puke. Somebody really should have sat him down and told him he's a old man who can't play at this level anymore. He's embarassing himself on a daily basis yet people still don't see this.

He's been my favorite player since I was 10, and i've never been the type to tell a guy he needs to stop doing what makes him happy. I'm just pissed that Joe has to keep running him out there for 4 abs every day. The 10 year old kid in me doesn't deserve to be mad that my hero is in the lineup. Torre needs to do his job, its not bernies fault.
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I'm skeptical about Thompson being worth much of anything to us as a regular starter, especially starting out in a spot like RF, but with the way Bernie is hitting, they might have to pursue this option

I loved Bernie. I really did. I have so many great memories of him but now every time I see him I want to puke. Somebody really should have sat him down and told him he's a old man who can't play at this level anymore. He's embarassing himself on a daily basis yet people still don't see this.

He owes Steinbrenner the last few years for all he's stolen. Every AB he takes, the less he deserves to be remembered in Yankee history. If he keeps this up, he will be nicknamed the Whore of the Bronx.

The man loves baseball. Its not his fault. Its Cash and Joe's fault.
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I'm skeptical about Thompson being worth much of anything to us as a regular starter, especially starting out in a spot like RF, but with the way Bernie is hitting, they might have to pursue this option

I loved Bernie. I really did. I have so many great memories of him but now every time I see him I want to puke. Somebody really should have sat him down and told him he's a old man who can't play at this level anymore. He's embarassing himself on a daily basis yet people still don't see this.

He's been my favorite player since I was 10, and i've never been the type to tell a guy he needs to stop doing what makes him happy. I'm just pissed that Joe has to keep running him out there for 4 abs every day. The 10 year old kid in me doesn't deserve to be mad that my hero is in the lineup. Torre needs to do his job, its not bernies fault.

I'll agree with that. It's not all Bernie's fault. He wanted to still the play, the Yankees were dumb enough to resign him fine....but there is no reason...none at all like you said that Torre has to give this guy 4 AB's every game. He's waiting for magic that just isn't there anymore.
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Still think we should give Carlos Pena a look and had signed Frank Thomas back when he was available or Mo Lena to start behind the plate and Posada DH and be out of our hair.

I liked the Idea of Pena on both sides of the ball(given the options), still do. Thomas is probably my favorite non yankee of the last 15 years, but between health and defense I didn't think that was a great idea.
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I'm skeptical about Thompson being worth much of anything to us as a regular starter, especially starting out in a spot like RF, but with the way Bernie is hitting, they might have to pursue this option

I loved Bernie. I really did. I have so many great memories of him but now every time I see him I want to puke. Somebody really should have sat him down and told him he's a old man who can't play at this level anymore. He's embarassing himself on a daily basis yet people still don't see this.

He owes Steinbrenner the last few years for all he's stolen. Every AB he takes, the less he deserves to be remembered in Yankee history. If he keeps this up, he will be nicknamed the Whore of the Bronx.

The man loves baseball. Its not his fault. Its Cash and Joe's fault.

If he loves baseball, play it for free. He made his millions. The guy is a f*cking pig whore. He has Boras as his agent. He only benefitted from the fact the Yankees overpaid to keep their own, otherwise he was on his way to Boston or Arizona.
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Still think we should give Carlos Pena a look and had signed Frank Thomas back when he was available or Mo Lena to start behind the plate and Posada DH and be out of our hair.

I liked the Idea of Pena on both sides of the ball(given the options), still do. Thomas is probably my favorite non yankee of the last 15 years, but between health and defense I didn't think that was a great idea.

How would he be playing defense at DH? No way he'd play 1B. And his offensive ability is still there, moreso than anyone else that would cost a few hundred grand. It'll be interesting to see how long he lasts with Oakland
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I'm skeptical about Thompson being worth much of anything to us as a regular starter, especially starting out in a spot like RF, but with the way Bernie is hitting, they might have to pursue this option

I loved Bernie. I really did. I have so many great memories of him but now every time I see him I want to puke. Somebody really should have sat him down and told him he's a old man who can't play at this level anymore. He's embarassing himself on a daily basis yet people still don't see this.

He owes Steinbrenner the last few years for all he's stolen. Every AB he takes, the less he deserves to be remembered in Yankee history. If he keeps this up, he will be nicknamed the Whore of the Bronx.

The man loves baseball. Its not his fault. Its Cash and Joe's fault.

If he loves baseball, play it for free. He made his millions. The guy is a f*cking pig whore. He has Boras as his agent. He only benefitted from the fact the Yankees overpaid to keep their own, otherwise he was on his way to Boston or Arizona.

The offers from Arizona and Boston were both more than what he took from the Yankees.
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when Giambi is your everyday 1Bman, i think its important. Not just because of his D, but because of his health, both of them. I prefer a backup that is going to compliment the starter and bring something to the table that he lacks. Pena for example. Although seriously, for 400K, its hard to find any reason not to sign Frank Thomas.
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I laugh when I see that play too.  The sole reason being...BUBBA CROSBY IS ACTUALLY IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES.

Thanks for the reminder.

nother tripple for Thompson tonight. :-|

It makes me sick he's not on the team. He could probably even be more valuable than Bernice Williams. :furious2:

Honestly. I usually try not to be the type to have a knee jerk reaction, but he should be starting in RF everyday with Sheffield DHing. Its not even like its just the 5th OFer anymore. This kid should be the short term solution out there right now. Not because he's special, because Bernie Williams and Jorge Posada have been our DHs this year :-|

Hey, I aint calling the kid an All Star either. My comment is more an indictment on the dickheads we have on the team than it is praise for Thompson. I know he's not an every day outfielder for a real MLB team.
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I'm skeptical about Thompson being worth much of anything to us as a regular starter, especially starting out in a spot like RF, but with the way Bernie is hitting, they might have to pursue this option

I loved Bernie. I really did. I have so many great memories of him but now every time I see him I want to puke. Somebody really should have sat him down and told him he's a old man who can't play at this level anymore. He's embarassing himself on a daily basis yet people still don't see this.

He owes Steinbrenner the last few years for all he's stolen. Every AB he takes, the less he deserves to be remembered in Yankee history. If he keeps this up, he will be nicknamed the Whore of the Bronx.

The man loves baseball. Its not his fault. Its Cash and Joe's fault.

If he loves baseball, play it for free. He made his millions. The guy is a f*cking pig whore. He has Boras as his agent. He only benefitted from the fact the Yankees overpaid to keep their own, otherwise he was on his way to Boston or Arizona.

The offers from Arizona and Boston were both more than what he took from the Yankees.
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How would he be playing defense at DH?
when Giambi is your everyday 1Bman, i think its important. Not just because of his D, but because of his health, both of them. I prefer a backup that is going to compliment the starter and bring something to the table that he lacks. Pena for example. Although seriously, for 400K, its hard to find any reason not to sign Frank Thomas.

But we still don't have a legitimate backup to Giambi anyways.
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