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Any Torre Defending Motherf*ckers Where You At!
Topic Started: Apr 5 2006, 01:01 AM (182 Views)
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Scott Proctor in?!?!?!? That's the best we can do in a 3-3 game in the bottom of ninth. This is inexcusable. This is Carlos Almanzar against Mike Piazza retarded
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Why Rivera is not in this game is beyond me, this is at the highest level of a-holeness.
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Feck Torre! Feck him in the ear for putting in Proctor. Same stupid bullshit bullpen cluelessness.
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I want to see someone defend Torre. I really want to see that.
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MOTHERf*ckING SCUMBAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FIRE THIS PEACH PIT SUCKING GREEN TEA DRINKING IMBECILE IMMEDIATELY! f*cking hell this sh*t makes my blood boil! :furious2: :furious2: :furious2: :furious2: :furious2: :furious2: :furious2: :furious2: :furious2: :furious2:
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Torre, the motherf*cking retard. This was assanine. He should get his lights out punched out for this manuever, seriously. He should have a giant gash over his right eye courtesy of a f*cking haymaker.
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Apr 5 2006, 01:09 AM
Torre, the motherf*cking retard. This was assanine. He should get his lights out punched out for this manuever, seriously. He should have a giant gash over his right eye courtesy of a f*cking haymaker.

You know what excuse they're going to use too? It's the second game of a 162 game schedule, you're going to lose one game, it's only April, blah blah blah. That doesn't make this any less imbecilic. You don't f*cking manage games to lose, I don't care what month or game on the schedule it is, period. I didn't think he could top Franklin vs. Blalock. Congrats Joe, you just one upped your own stupidity. Amazing. :clap:

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And you know the f*cked part if you told Torre like it was as a reporter, he'd defend himself. He has no personal responsibility for when he manages like a retard, and he does it most of the year.
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Apr 5 2006, 01:18 AM
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Apr 5 2006, 01:09 AM
Torre, the motherf*cking retard. This was assanine. He should get his lights out punched out for this manuever, seriously. He should have a giant gash over his right eye courtesy of a f*cking haymaker.

You know what excuse they're going to use too? It's the second game of a 162 game schedule, you're going to lose one game, it's only April, blah blah blah. That doesn't make this any less imbecilic. You don't f*cking manage games to lose, I don't care what month or game on the schedule it is, period. I didn't think he could top Franklin vs. Blalock. Congrats Joe, you just one upped your own stupidity. Amazing. :clap:

:fyou: :fyou: :fyou: :fyou: :fyou:

Not one word will be mentioned about Torre's stupidty tomorrow. Not one!
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Apr 5 2006, 01:09 AM
Torre, the motherf*cking retard. This was assanine. He should get his lights out punched out for this manuever, seriously. He should have a giant gash over his right eye courtesy of a f*cking haymaker.

You know what excuse they're going to use too? It's the second game of a 162 game schedule, you're going to lose one game, it's only April, blah blah blah. That doesn't make this any less imbecilic. You don't f*cking manage games to lose, I don't care what month or game on the schedule it is, period. I didn't think he could top Franklin vs. Blalock. Congrats Joe, you just one upped your own stupidity. Amazing. :clap:

:fyou: :fyou: :fyou: :fyou: :fyou:

Not one word will be mentioned about Torre's stupidty tomorrow. Not one!

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Torre will just get reporters who question this idiocy thrown out of his office. He's a f*cking joke.
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Apr 5 2006, 01:20 AM
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Apr 5 2006, 01:18 AM
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Apr 5 2006, 01:09 AM
Torre, the motherf*cking retard. This was assanine. He should get his lights out punched out for this manuever, seriously. He should have a giant gash over his right eye courtesy of a f*cking haymaker.

You know what excuse they're going to use too? It's the second game of a 162 game schedule, you're going to lose one game, it's only April, blah blah blah. That doesn't make this any less imbecilic. You don't f*cking manage games to lose, I don't care what month or game on the schedule it is, period. I didn't think he could top Franklin vs. Blalock. Congrats Joe, you just one upped your own stupidity. Amazing. :clap:

:fyou: :fyou: :fyou: :fyou: :fyou:

Not one word will be mentioned about Torre's stupidty tomorrow. Not one!

:yes: :yes:

Mm-hmm. SOFT NY media.
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Apr 5 2006, 12:03 AM
Why Rivera is not in this game is beyond me, this is at the highest level of a-holeness.

Ummm, because its the second game of the year and asking him to pitch 2 innings this early in the season is ridiculous?

Of course, if he had pitched Rivera 2 innings last night, you'd rip Torre in September for wearing him out too early in the season.
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Apr 5 2006, 11:07 AM
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Why Rivera is not in this game is beyond me, this is at the highest level of a-holeness.

Ummm, because its the second game of the year and asking him to pitch 2 innings this early in the season is ridiculous?

Of course, if he had pitched Rivera 2 innings last night, you'd rip Torre in September for wearing him out too early in the season.

no, but Farnsworth could have gone another or he could have gone with Villone. Proctor hadn't thrown off the mound in days. It was a stupid mistake.
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Why Rivera is not in this game is beyond me, this is at the highest level of a-holeness.

Ummm, because its the second game of the year and asking him to pitch 2 innings this early in the season is ridiculous?

Of course, if he had pitched Rivera 2 innings last night, you'd rip Torre in September for wearing him out too early in the season.

no, but Farnsworth could have gone another or he could have gone with Villone. Proctor hadn't thrown off the mound in days. It was a stupid mistake.

I wasn't addressing that point, just the point that Rivera should have been in the game.

I wasn't thrilled with Proctor either, but its the second game of the season. Nobody here as yet figured out that you play games differently in April than you do in September. If Proctor is going to be a productive member of the bullpen, might as well put his feet in the fire right away.
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Yeah, one thing is for sure, you can't use your closer on the road in a tie game when the game isn't imperative and you have options out in the pen. But Proctor had no business being in that game until after Kelly Stinnett and Miguel Cairo threw 3 innings apiece.
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typical Torre move, not a shocker. He was waiting to get the lead to use Rivera.
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Why Rivera is not in this game is beyond me, this is at the highest level of a-holeness.

Ummm, because its the second game of the year and asking him to pitch 2 innings this early in the season is ridiculous?

Of course, if he had pitched Rivera 2 innings last night, you'd rip Torre in September for wearing him out too early in the season.

You can use him for 1 inning. Of course we had other options, and I probably would've stuck with Farnsworth. My problem was they made a pitching change and they go with Proctor. I don't care if it's April, you don't f*cking manage games to lose them. Joe is a master of that and this isn't the only month of the year he does crap like this.
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Why Rivera is not in this game is beyond me, this is at the highest level of a-holeness.

Ummm, because its the second game of the year and asking him to pitch 2 innings this early in the season is ridiculous?

Of course, if he had pitched Rivera 2 innings last night, you'd rip Torre in September for wearing him out too early in the season.

You can use him for 1 inning.

For what?

You're wasting him because assuming the Yanks score in the 10th, Rivera has already thrown his inning and you'd have to bring someone else in to save it.

Just admit you painted yourself into a corner on this one. Bringing Rivera into a tie game in the second game of the season makes no sense.
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Well, you really shouldn't use your closer on the road in a tie game, because even if you get through the inning, if you take the lead in extras, you don't have your closer to do what he does best. But using Proctor was inexcusable.
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differently in April than you do in September


Understood. I agree that Rivera shouldn't have been in. It's the second game of the season and unless it's a big game, I don't even like the idea of using the closer in a tie game on the road - unless your offense has looked good and you have confidence in them scoring a run in his inning. But, you don't use Scott Proctor. Not only does he suck (his down-the-middle fastball and lack of control is out of the "Game-winning Run" catalog for for the opposition), he left spring training to see his sick infant daughter just days before. And I think we're in agreement there anyway. But do you really think Torre would've managed that differently in September? YF03 will tell you what he did with Wayne Franklin last season, the day after the Yanks claimed first place and had a chance to distance themselves from the Sox who were facing the Sox in a series. And forget September, I can point to some "what the f*ck!?" bullpen moves he's made in October.

Also, does Torre really ever make a true effort to conserve Rivera? He always says he wants to, but it never happens. Last year, at 35, he pitched the 3rd most innings he has in his career. I don't mind him using Rivera to clean up an 8th inning mess or going 3 games in a row, but Joe will bring him into an 11-6 game because "He hasn't had work in a few days." Does Mariano have a history of getting rusty or forgetting his mechanics in a matter of days? Because of that, I can't even be too sure if Joe didn't use Mariano for the 9th because of the reasons we believe. He might've just genuinely thought Proctor was the man for the moment.
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Understood. I agree that Rivera shouldn't have been in. It's the second game of the season and unless it's a big game, I don't even like the idea of using the closer in a tie game on the road - unless your offense has looked good and you have confidence in them scoring a run in his inning. But, you don't use Scott Proctor. Not only does he suck (his down-the-middle fastball and lack of control is out of the "Game-winning Run" catalog for for the opposition), he left spring training to see his sick infant daughter just days before. And I think we're in agreement there anyway. But do you really think Torre would've managed that differently in September? YF03 will tell you what he did with Wayne Franklin last season, the day after the Yanks claimed first place and had a chance to distance themselves from the Sox who were facing the Sox in a series. And forget September, I can point to some "what the f*ck!?" bullpen moves he's made in October.

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Strider, f*ck this, it's football season. We're getting close to Lavar, I hear
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It's always football season. If the Yankees aren't involved, I'm watching a pre-season NFL game over the World Series.

If they get Arrington, does it scare you that they might go after a DT in the first round? After re-signing Carter, I don't know if Ernie would put WR as a big priority. And since he wants to lock up all the offensive lineman, he might not even be thinking OT either.
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Exactly Strider. In the future close game, I'm willing to risk it to see if Proctor has what it takes to be a guy that can be counted on. He has a bad rep around here but I want to believe there's a reason people in the business are high on him. But he hadn't thrown in days. You want to give a guy a shot at making a spot for himself, yesterday was not the time to do it.
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Apr 5 2006, 11:13 AM
Yeah, one thing is for sure, you can't use your closer on the road in a tie game when the game isn't imperative and you have options out in the pen. But Proctor had no business being in that game until after Kelly Stinnett and Miguel Cairo threw 3 innings apiece.

I agree with that point. Rivera shouldn't have been used but Proctor was an awful choice.
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Why Rivera is not in this game is beyond me, this is at the highest level of a-holeness.

Ummm, because its the second game of the year and asking him to pitch 2 innings this early in the season is ridiculous?

Of course, if he had pitched Rivera 2 innings last night, you'd rip Torre in September for wearing him out too early in the season.

You can use him for 1 inning.

For what?

You're wasting him because assuming the Yanks score in the 10th, Rivera has already thrown his inning and you'd have to bring someone else in to save it.

Just admit you painted yourself into a corner on this one. Bringing Rivera into a tie game in the second game of the season makes no sense.

Before I say this I want to make it clear that I don't use Rivera in the 9th last night. I think in order the guys you use go Farnsworth, Sturtze, Villone, Wright, Rivera, Proctor. Rivera is still ahead of Proctor in my mind. Proctor comes in and you lose the game, its almost a given, especially considering all the stuff he has going on. If Rivera pitches the 9th anything can happen against Street or whoever in the 10th and you take chances with pitchers afterward. I wouldn't have used Rivera over Farnsworth, Sturtze, Villone, or even Wright, but I use him over Proctor every time in a tie game.
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Exactly Strider. In the future close game, I'm willing to risk it to see if Proctor has what it takes to be a guy that can be counted on. He has a bad rep around here but I want to believe there's a reason people in the business are high on him. But he hadn't thrown in days. You want to give a guy a shot at making a spot for himself, yesterday was not the time to do it.

If we're gonna lose a close game, I'd rather have it now. I think the Yankees will win the division with 95-98 wins but it won't be stroll. I see it going much like it did last season. You don't want to experiment with Scott Proctor later in the year. But that's if you're going to experiment with Proctor in the first place, which I'm against. He's 29 years old and has played enough for us to have an idea of what he is. You can use him, but he hasn't even done well in a mop-up role so he's got no business being in a tight game unless there are no options. It's like what they did with Drew Henson in the minors. He sucked in AA but they bumped him up anyway. If the Yanks are trailing by 6 runs and Proctor can't even be counted on to go 2 innings without making it into a laugher, there's no reason to trust him in an important spot. That's why you signed Villone and Farnsworth and re-signed Sturtze.

I think the reason people in the organization like him is because he throws hard, is developing a slider, and this is just his 3rd big league season. Same reasons teams gave Rocker and Rick Ankiel chances. And at least those two, by the time they were 29 already had one or more quality seasons.
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Why Rivera is not in this game is beyond me, this is at the highest level of a-holeness.

Ummm, because its the second game of the year and asking him to pitch 2 innings this early in the season is ridiculous?

Of course, if he had pitched Rivera 2 innings last night, you'd rip Torre in September for wearing him out too early in the season.

You can use him for 1 inning.

For what?

You're wasting him because assuming the Yanks score in the 10th, Rivera has already thrown his inning and you'd have to bring someone else in to save it.

Just admit you painted yourself into a corner on this one. Bringing Rivera into a tie game in the second game of the season makes no sense.

Yes, I painted myself in to a corner with that one. I guess the situation had me ticked. I felt like Joe was managing to lose the game rather than give his team a chance, which really bothers me, second game of the year or not. I'm sure Farnsworth would've had a better shot at getting 3 more outs on top of the two he got in the 8th, than Proctor had at getting out of that ninth inning.
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