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| Mantlemurcer | Apr 4 2006, 01:26 PM Post #1 |
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with a strained muscle Still wish we had him you azzholes? |
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| PavanosBalls | Apr 4 2006, 01:30 PM Post #2 |
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Over Bernie or Phillips, yep. Same with Frank Thomas. When he goes down to a broken ass muscle next week, I'd still say we should. |
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| rsj23terp | Apr 4 2006, 01:34 PM Post #3 |
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Of course they will. You think they'd actually admit to being wrong? |
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| PavanosBalls | Apr 4 2006, 01:35 PM Post #4 |
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I'll admit I was being stupid with the CF remark. Nomar back in the day could have played it, but not now. |
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| Grandy4MVP | Apr 4 2006, 01:45 PM Post #5 |
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I admit to wanting Nomar and I'd still be all for it but here would be the problem as I look back now. If we get Nomar he'd have to DH most of the time, we know how Giambi likes being in the field and with that being said he could be a better 1B then Nomar, that's not saying much about Nomar but this is all a learning experience for him. Also then if we did do this pretty much Bernie would be in Bubba's role and I know a lot of us didn't want Bernie back but he wasn't going to retire and I damn sure didn't want him anywhere else but either here or retired. I didn't want one of my hero's stumbling around in a Devil Rays uniform in the outfield, that would have been cool. This way we get Johnny to play CF and Bernie can still DH and play the outfield on days needed. It turned out much better this way and I'm willing to admit I was wrong about wanting Nomar here. |
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| PavanosBalls | Apr 4 2006, 01:46 PM Post #6 |
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It's one game, but Bernie looked real ugly last night. I might have expected too much thinking he could hit .270 with 10 HRs this year. He looked lost after that first hit. I'm thinking that spot might need to be addressed. Let's see how he does against Harden tonight; Bernie always could hit good fastballs. He was looking like last year's Bernie |
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| HomieYank | Apr 4 2006, 01:47 PM Post #7 |
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I was in that same boat so I guess I was wrong too. RF in Yankee stadium could have been an experiment though. Neither will the Bubba supporters when people are going first to third on Bernies arm in RF, or when Bubba hits .150 or doesn't steal a base or score on a key hit or sac fly in a key situation when Thompson would have done so easily. It goes both ways, most people don't admit to such things. |
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| rsj23terp | Apr 4 2006, 01:51 PM Post #8 |
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I actually couldn't care less who the Yankees fifth outfielder is. With the number of ABs that spot will actually get, it doesn't make any sense for a prospect to ride the pine when he could be getting regular ABs in the minors. That's why Crosby fits. He makes next-to-nothing, and you know what you're getting. The VC are kings of the "it was still the right move at the time" defense. Its impossible to admit you're wrong with that line of thinking. |
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| HomieYank | Apr 4 2006, 01:55 PM Post #9 |
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I'm with you. Even though I think Bernie should be a PH/part time DH type, I'm still glad he's here rather than somewhere else. Even though I want Phillips to play more I'm still rooting for Bernie to show everybody up including myself. Tonight will be a good test since he'll be hitting lefty against a fastball guy. |
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| Grandy4MVP | Apr 4 2006, 01:57 PM Post #10 |
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Yeah, I wanted Bernie to retire and I think he's done, but he's one of my all time favorites and it would have pained me to see him in another uniform. I guess I'm willing to deal with him playing a bigger role then I wanted just as long as he is here! |
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| HomieYank | Apr 4 2006, 02:02 PM Post #11 |
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I've already said that if we get something of value for Thompson(26) or if he ends up starting here one day then the move will be worth it, but if Thompson ends up a 4th OFer for us anyway then it was a huge waste. Its not all about ABs, although thats some of it. Bernie is going to be playing right and left when Sheff/Matsui DH because Crosby is an empty bat(like you said, you know what your getting with Crosby). Those innings in RF/LF/CF(if Damon ever DHs) could have gone to Thompson, who is the superior deffensive player at this point. I LOVE Bernie, but Giambi goes first-third on him at this point. The following 3 hypothetical situations illustrate my point the Yankees lost 14 1 run games last year. They played in a total of 39 1 run games. Lets say in one of those games we are down by 1 run in the 9th with a runner on 1B and Posada up with 1 out. A groundball pitcher is on the mound. A stolen base(Thompson) in this cenerio becomes very important to not only avoid the DP, but get a runner in scoring position. Now lets say in an extra inning game Crosby/Thompson pinch run and then enter the game as a deffensive replacement. Bernie/Phillips have already been used off the bench, so Crosby/Thompson have to hit. Crosby/Thompson haven't played in weeks and their timing is terrible. The best bet is to draw a walk and keep the line moving and maybe steal their way into scoring position. Who has the best shot at working the count and possibly draw a walk? Thompson walks about 30 more times per 500 ABs career. Lets say in a 3rd game Thompson/Crosby are on second base. There is a single to RF and Bowa is waving the runner home. Vlad Guerrerro scoops the ball up and fires a lazer to home plate. Which runner has a better chance of scoring? Things like this do come up, and like I said, the Yankees played in 39 games last year. We won the AL east by 0 games. Think about that. Bubba offers nothing as a player that Thompson can't atleast match, and these 3 hypothetical situations show 3 different aspects of the game where Thompson is much better. I don't hate Bubba Crosby. I was happy with what he was able to do last september, its always nice to catch lightning in a bottle when you really need it, and we did really need it. The fact however is that there is a better option who is more usefull to the team. |
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| My name is ET | Apr 4 2006, 02:03 PM Post #12 |
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totally unrelated, but Vinbo Shaq Horace Grant Nick Anderson Dennis Scott Penny are those correct? |
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| Mantlemurcer | Apr 4 2006, 02:57 PM Post #13 |
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Nomar is another broken down roid product. :yes: |
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| Grandy4MVP | Apr 4 2006, 03:20 PM Post #14 |
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Yes, and quite the team that was....too bad Shaq bolted an Penny of course was never the same without Shaq. |
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| Mantlemurcer | Apr 4 2006, 03:30 PM Post #15 |
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Complete and utter jackassedness |
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| moomoo24 | Apr 4 2006, 03:42 PM Post #16 |
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I wanted Nomar and still would take him, strained muscle or not. Guy can hit and if we could've had him healthy for 115 games or so at 1B/DH at a decent price I think it would've helped. It's not necassary move as I still think we'll have a top 5 offense, but I'm not going to say I wouldnt want him here. |
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| PavanosBalls | Apr 4 2006, 04:17 PM Post #17 |
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What the hell? Thomas sending one to the moon in his first AB off Randy Johnson and just missing two others doesn't make you wish slightly we gave him a small incentive laden deal and had him in the lineup over Bernie? |
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| Mantlemurcer | Apr 4 2006, 04:30 PM Post #18 |
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I was referring to Nomar. As for Thomas, one game does not a season make. He could barely make it around the bases on a home run. I always loved the guy, but he's a mess. |
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| Mantlemurcer | Apr 4 2006, 04:30 PM Post #19 |
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This isn't 1999 Moo. The guy is a broken down piece of crap. |
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| PavanosBalls | Apr 4 2006, 04:40 PM Post #20 |
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Of course that's true about Thomas, but the fact is he'd have come cheap and the fact is he can still hit, and that's the point. Not that it means he'll be durable, but he looks much leaner than I've seen him in awhile |
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| rsj23terp | Apr 4 2006, 04:42 PM Post #21 |
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Of course you're assuming Thomas would have even wanted to come to New York in that reduced role. More to the point, did you hear what Kenny Williams said? The guy is a cancer, and we've already got one of those named Gary Sheffield. The White Sox won last year BECAUSE Thomas was out, not in spite of it. |
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| PavanosBalls | Apr 4 2006, 04:45 PM Post #22 |
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I also heard the same sh*t about AJ Pierzynski being a cancer, particularly from your buddy, and look how that worked out. And please prove to me how Thomas was the reason the White Sox won the World Series being injured? |
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| rsj23terp | Apr 4 2006, 04:49 PM Post #23 |
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Its not a provable statement, it was my opinion. |
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| PavanosBalls | Apr 4 2006, 04:54 PM Post #24 |
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It's also my opinion that a guy....say like Carl Everett, who was apart of the World Series team, is a bigger douchebag than Thomas and can't back it up nearly as much with the bat. This cancer sh*t is so overrated. Guys like Sheffield who are scum of the earth got a World Series ring, Kevin Brown got one and could have had more. It's all about production |
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| Mantlemurcer | Apr 4 2006, 05:06 PM Post #25 |
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and Thomas hasn't had any since '03. He was doing great in '04, but 73 games isn't very useful. |
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| PavanosBalls | Apr 4 2006, 05:11 PM Post #26 |
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But you realize it'd have cost us a couple hundred grand to find out? If it failed, you're back to where we're currently at. |
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| Mantlemurcer | Apr 4 2006, 05:12 PM Post #27 |
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One of the biggest complaints about this team the last few years is the station to station, all home run, no small ball mentality. So how would Thomas change that? |
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| PavanosBalls | Apr 4 2006, 05:17 PM Post #28 |
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Um, he doesn't, and neither does Bernie Williams or Andy Phillips. But what Thomas could do is get on base at a .400 clip as well as HRing at an insane rate. Obviously, that's best case scenario, but what's so hard to understand about wanting to take a few hundred grand flyer on that type of player when the alternatives are nothing special and we waste millions on much less. |
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| PavanosBalls | Apr 4 2006, 05:19 PM Post #29 |
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I honestly don't feel it's worth debating anymore. I can understand the subliminal idiocy and clinging to the past of wanting Nomar and Ken Griffey Jr, and I accept that, but Frank Thomas wouldn't have carried a pricetag and he hits whenever he plays. He's a number 2 pencil. You can erase him with ease. |
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