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| PavanosBalls | Mar 24 2006, 11:30 PM Post #1 |
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There was once a man that wanted Posada's face broken and got ridiculed to death about it. 2 years ago, breaking up a double play, Posada gets a ball thrown in his face. This week, in practice, Posada gets an errant throw in his face and breaks his nose. ;) |
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| rsj23terp | Mar 24 2006, 11:41 PM Post #2 |
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I think its more coincidental than ironic, but I see where you're going. |
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| PavanosBalls | Mar 24 2006, 11:49 PM Post #3 |
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I get ya, but I think it's ironic, because I hated the guy and people were on my case for it. Now, not only is Posada not heavily supported, but he's finally getting his face broken. Seriously, Posada used to be beloved for a reason I can never understand or explain, but years later, I think everyone's on the same page when it comes to the guy. |
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| Yanksfan03 | Mar 24 2006, 11:54 PM Post #4 |
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I can honestly say I never knew anybody outside of my sister who loved or even liked Posada. I hated him, my grandfather and father hated him, all my friends who are Yankee fans hated him, and I don't ever remember just having a converstaion with another Yankee fan and ever talking about how great Posada was. He was one of the most useless players on the team during the championship run. He had a couple good seasons, but I never looked at him as one of the great clutch players in the game. I never trusted him in a big spot, it seemed like most of his damage came against the Tampas and Baltimores of the world. |
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| PavanosBalls | Mar 24 2006, 11:56 PM Post #5 |
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You know, 03, you and I think alike, so I'm not surprised by your opinion on him even back in the day, which of course I agree with. But trust me, in regards to the days of MSG and other similar Yankee boards, people that were there may deny it now, but Posada was defended and bunched in as infallible and not eligible for criticism along with the Jeters and Bernies and O'Neills. I almost had to hate him more in exchange to compensate. He not only leeched World Series rings, he got the benefits with the fans too. When Old Timer's day comes along, Posada will get cheered as if he were Thurman Munson. |
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| Yanksfan03 | Mar 25 2006, 12:00 AM Post #6 |
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Well, I posted on the Yankee board at AOL back in the Dynasty days (stupid MGS would never approve an account for me :furious: ) and I never really noticed Posada getting defended. Not many would say anything bad about him, but there wasn't tons of praise for him and I don't remember instances where more than one person would defend him if somebody did happen to criticize the guy. Now, if you criticized anybody else, it was another story. I think Hideki Irabu had more fans there. I'll take your word about the MSG boards though, I never posted with you guys, but I did look over the boards from time to time and there was lots of sunshining (though I have to admit that even I was pretty confident in the Yankees back then, we had great pitching and made all the right plays, that's why). |
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| rsj23terp | Mar 25 2006, 12:03 AM Post #7 |
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Well i'm not going to get into a big thing on the word "irony," but suffice it to say for something to be ironic it has to involve an unexpected outcome. Irony is a football player who never suffers an injury during a 15-year career, then breaks his leg falling down a flight of stairs the day after he retires. |
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| PavanosBalls | Mar 25 2006, 12:28 AM Post #8 |
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Ok, it'd be more ironic if I liked him now. |
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| KOCUR | Mar 25 2006, 12:29 AM Post #9 |
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It really is nice not to care...Posada.... Moshmada.... |
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| Yanksfan03 | Mar 25 2006, 12:30 AM Post #10 |
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:lmao: |
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| PavanosBalls | Mar 25 2006, 12:30 AM Post #11 |
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Oh trust me, there was talk of how he was clutch, I remember that one big-time. |
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| Yanksfan03 | Mar 25 2006, 12:50 AM Post #12 |
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:laugh: He would get a clutch hit from time to time, but the guy was never what I'd call a clutch player. |
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| Venom | Mar 26 2006, 08:13 PM Post #13 |
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I'm glad this happened to him. |
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| Yanks473 | Mar 26 2006, 08:36 PM Post #14 |
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And the Band played on......
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What's the point of dissing Posada right now? Lets just get behind him and hope he has a good season. |
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| Strider | Mar 26 2006, 08:47 PM Post #15 |
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What's the point of getting behind him and hoping he has a good season when we know he won't? |
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| Yanks473 | Mar 26 2006, 08:53 PM Post #16 |
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Too many people rag on him. He's out there 130 games a year catching. We could be stuck with some .265, .600 OPS 9 homerun hitting catcher instead. I save my "haterness" for that AZZNECK Danica. 20 million to hit like an 8 million dollar player. |
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| HomieYank | Mar 26 2006, 09:14 PM Post #17 |
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I agree. Look at some of the empty bats playing the catching position. We could do worse. PS-You can thank your boy Steinbrenner and A-Rod for Jeter's contract. |
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| Yanksfan03 | Mar 26 2006, 09:25 PM Post #18 |
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I refuse to give him a pass just because he's a catcher. Any time he's up there and we need a big hit, he comes up small, he can f*ck himself. |
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| Strider | Mar 26 2006, 09:26 PM Post #19 |
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Because of Posada's flaws. It's not the totals and averages, it's when and how. Oh, we've got a rally going. Yankees down a run the bottom of the 7th, 2 runs scored earlier in the inning to slice the deficit - Jorge up with a runner on 1B. The fact that I don't even need to continue for you to know what's up, that tells the story. It's not the strikeouts so much, but how he goes down. Changeup in the dirt for strike 2; fastball down the middle for strike three. Fastball away for strike 2; slider nowhere near the zone for strike 3. And the fact that he's Jorge Posada. Fact is, status and money do affect our perception. If Derek Jeter wasn't Derek Jeter, we wouldn't have a problem with a .292 average. |
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| HomieYank | Mar 26 2006, 10:40 PM Post #20 |
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I know he's pretty much always trash in the playoffs, but espn has his close and late numbers at .311 BA, .456 OBP, .454 SLG, .910 OPS for the past 3 years. .306, .433, .571, 1.004 against Boston those same 3 years. .261, .398, .498, .896 with runners in scoring position. Annoying? Sure. Productive? Yes. |
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| PavanosBalls | Mar 26 2006, 11:29 PM Post #21 |
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I'm sorry, using Posada and stats to compare with his positional mates is a pet peeve that pisses me off. So what? Catcher is a defensive position, and I'd trust the shitbags in a big spot over him anyways. f*ck, look at Ausmus, perhaps the worst. He gets a big ass HR, albeit off Farnsworth, that saves the Stros Playoff run last year. I can say wholeheartedly that I know how Posada's OBP, SLUG, OPS, HRs, RBI standup and could give two shits. He's overrated as f*ck. I hated this guy in his prime. It just took a few years for others to come around what I knew about Posada all along. |
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| PavanosBalls | Mar 26 2006, 11:54 PM Post #22 |
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For shame, BC. You could have gotten some timeless one-liners at Posada's expense. |
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| HomieYank | Mar 27 2006, 12:15 AM Post #23 |
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Ausmus is doo doo in the post season too. There are situations where Posada really pisses me off. But I know alot of other catchers would piss me off more. |
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| PavanosBalls | Mar 27 2006, 12:18 AM Post #24 |
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I wasn't endorsing Ausmus. I was just saying even he. perhaps the worst offensive catcher, got one clutch post-season HR, since Posada seems to get his dicklicked for the 01 Zito ALDS solo shot. Considering we've been to post-season so long and played so many big games, I hardly remember Posada being a difference maker in a positive manner. Yet, he'll get his dicklicked for having an OPS in the .800s essentially. I'm telling everyone, when he retires and it's Old-Timer's game, people are going to cheer him as if he had something significant to do with 4 World Series |
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| Giambi_MVP_25 | Mar 27 2006, 04:08 PM Post #25 |
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Out of all the players you defend, I can't believe Posada is one of them. |
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| PavanosBalls | Mar 27 2006, 04:53 PM Post #26 |
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That's what I was thinking |
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