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Foulke done for the year?
Topic Started: Sep 22 2005, 02:29 PM (175 Views)
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According to WEEI 850 in Boston, Keith Foulke is shutting it down for the season due to physical issues.
WEEI reports he has also already left the team. The Red Sox may attempt to trade him this winter, although his value is so diminshed at this point that it probably wouldn't be worth it. Foulke is certainly capable of bouncing back, but he needs to get his knee issues taken care of once and for all. Sep. 22 - 2:04 pm et
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That's a shame.
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He would not of made the playoff roster anyway (if we were to somehow make
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Sep 22 2005, 03:04 PM
He would not of made the playoff roster anyway (if we were to somehow make

We arent making the playoffs. A game behind Cleveland and they have Tampa and KC to play, and unlike us they get the job done against those teams in September. And we are .5 behind the Yankees, and they just dont lose of late, they would hit the ball out of Jurrasic Park if they need to! And we cant close out games and take series such as a 3 game set in September.

I could care less if he is out for the season.
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Sep 22 2005, 03:23 PM
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Sep 22 2005, 03:04 PM
He would not of made the playoff roster anyway (if we were to somehow make

We arent making the playoffs. A game behind Cleveland and they have Tampa and KC to play, and unlike us they get the job done against those teams in September. And we are .5 behind the Yankees, and they just dont lose of late, they would hit the ball out of Jurrasic Park if they need to! And we cant close out games and take series such as a 3 game set in September.

I could care less if he is out for the season.

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I, for one, feel terrible about this development.
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Foulke was declared the best reliever in baseball by many last fall. I think people are finally realizing that distinction remains with the best reliever in baseball over the past 10 years, perhaps ever, until he is offically knocked off that pedestal.
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Can the St John's kid be on the postseason roster? (Hansen I believe is his name.)


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Sep 22 2005, 03:35 PM
Can the St John's kid be on the postseason roster? (Hansen I believe is his name.)

My theory is that he can because of injuries to the pitching staff. As long as he was on the 40 man roster on 9/1 and they have pitchers on the DL, he's in the pool.
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Sep 22 2005, 03:35 PM
Can the St John's kid be on the postseason roster? (Hansen I believe is his name.)

Yes
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Sep 22 2005, 03:35 PM
Can the St John's kid be on the postseason roster? (Hansen I believe is his name.)

Yes

If we had a playoff roster this year.
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cmnyy
Sep 22 2005, 03:35 PM
Can the St John's kid be on the postseason roster? (Hansen I believe is his name.)

My theory is that he can because of injuries to the pitching staff. As long as he was on the 40 man roster on 9/1 and they have pitchers on the DL, he's in the pool.



That's what I thought - the K-Rod way.


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Sep 22 2005, 03:35 PM
Can the St John's kid be on the postseason roster? (Hansen I believe is his name.)

What does it matter? They are crashing and burning. All the Craig Hansens in the world can't change that.
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Didn't we draft a top notch reliever as well? What's he doing?


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Sep 22 2005, 03:46 PM
Didn't we draft a top notch reliever as well? What's he doing?

Not pitching in the middle of a pennant race when his team most needs it like his counter part Hansen. Hansen could solve our middle relief problems. Instead we draft #1 some 19 year old HS senior who won't be ready untill hell freezes over.
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cmnyy
Sep 22 2005, 03:46 PM
Didn't we draft a top notch reliever as well? What's he doing?

Not pitching in the middle of a pennant race when his team most needs it like his counter part Hansen. Hansen could solve our middle relief problems. Instead we draft #1 some 19 year old HS senior who won't be ready untill hell freezes over.

Stop it. You will be sucking Cox you know what when he's up here blowing guys away in a year or two.
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Sep 22 2005, 03:46 PM
Didn't we draft a top notch reliever as well? What's he doing?

Not pitching in the middle of a pennant race when his team most needs it like his counter part Hansen. Hansen could solve our middle relief problems. Instead we draft #1 some 19 year old HS senior who won't be ready untill hell freezes over.

Stop it. You will be sucking Cox you know what when he's up here blowing guys away in a year or two.

I want him in the majors by next year.
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He might not be up by next year. I say start him in Trenton at the beginning of the year, see how he does, then move him up to Columbus. If he handles those leagues well, sure, bring him up. Not everyone will be rushed like Hansen was. By the way, here are Cox' numbers for the Tampa Yankees:

1-2 with a 2.60 ERA, 16 games, 27.2 IP, 20 hits, 1 HR, 5 BB, and 27 K.

That's a nice start to his pro career after winning NCAA Relief Pitcher of the Year in the same season at the University of Texas.
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Sep 22 2005, 11:36 PM
He might not be up by next year. I say start him in Trenton at the beginning of the year, see how he does, then move him up to Columbus. If he handles those leagues well, sure, bring him up. Not everyone will be rushed like Hansen was. By the way, here are Cox' numbers for the Tampa Yankees:

1-2 with a 2.60 ERA, 16 games, 27.2 IP, 20 hits, 1 HR, 5 BB, and 27 K.

That's a nice start to his pro career after winning NCAA Relief Pitcher of the Year in the same season at the University of Texas.

I wanna like this kid. I really do. CJ Henry on the other hand I loathe.
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Sep 22 2005, 02:34 PM
Foulke was declared the best reliever in baseball by many last fall.  I think people are finally realizing that distinction remains with the best reliever in baseball over the past 10 years, perhaps ever, until he is offically knocked off that pedestal.

who declared foulke the best closer in the league last year? honestly. that sounds like one of those points njdevils and strider were making with wide receivers, a bunch have great stats, and making a stretch that an elite is the best when the spotlight is on them. foulke is certainly an elite closer and i think the stats would surprise those that doubt that, but he was never the man. if he had a 98 mph fastball, he could have been the best closer in the league, but when you guess right on 90 mph heat, you're gonna blow some saves.
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Sep 22 2005, 11:45 PM

who declared foulke the best closer in the league last year? honestly. that sounds like one of those points njdevils and strider were making with wide receivers, a bunch have great stats, and making a stretch that an elite is the best when the spotlight is on them. foulke is certainly an elite closer and i think the stats would surprise those that doubt that, but he was never the man. if he had a 98 mph fastball, he could have been the best closer in the league, but when you guess right on 90 mph heat, you're gonna blow some saves.

Those type of people, analysts on shows, newspaper writers, talk show host, etc, etc. I never took it seriously anyway since I know Rivera is the best. Foulke has been good at times and was great last year, but last year was the first season he didn't regularly blow big games.
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who declared foulke the best closer in the league last year? honestly. that sounds like one of those points njdevils and strider were making with wide receivers, a bunch have great stats, and making a stretch that an elite is the best when the spotlight is on them. foulke is certainly an elite closer and i think the stats would surprise those that doubt that, but he was never the man. if he had a 98 mph fastball, he could have been the best closer in the league, but when you guess right on 90 mph heat, you're gonna blow some saves.

Those type of people, analysts on shows, newspaper writers, talk show host, etc, etc. I never took it seriously anyway since I know Rivera is the best. Foulke has been good at times and was great last year, but last year was the first season he didn't regularly blow big games.

like trevor hoffman. i cant stand trust a closer where all you gotta do is guess right and you can take them yard. they both deserve a ton of credit, but when i analyize guys, i think of guys in tight spots.
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Yeah, Hoffman has been great for a bad team most of his career. His one chance in the spotlight, he failed more than once. Rivera would be considered one of the best even if his team never made the playoffs, but it's his big game performances that have made him arguably the best reliever of all-time.
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to be fair, i think foulke is a very underrated great closer and the guy shut down teams in the post-season last year for multiple innings, which i think only a half a handful of closers could have managed. i dont want to totally blast foulke for being a guy that's vulnerable to a longball. pretty much any closer is vulnerable to the dinger.
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Sep 23 2005, 05:46 PM
to be fair, i think foulke is a very underrated great closer and the guy shut down teams in the post-season last year for multiple innings, which i think only a half a handful of closers could have managed. i dont want to totally blast foulke for being a guy that's vulnerable to a longball. pretty much any closer is vulnerable to the dinger.

He was money in last year's postseason, no question. Before last year he was prone to blowing big games though.
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to be fair, i think foulke is a very underrated great closer and the guy shut down teams in the post-season last year for multiple innings, which i think only a half a handful of closers could have managed. i dont want to totally blast foulke for being a guy that's vulnerable to a longball. pretty much any closer is vulnerable to the dinger.

He was money in last year's postseason, no question. Before last year he was prone to blowing big games though.

are you referring to his blown save against ortiz in the alds the year before? cuz aside from that, he really never got a big game to close. he was the sox closer in the playoffs once, but the ms embarrassed them.. he did some good work in that as-red sox series prior to game 5, so i can't let one blown save against the most clutch hitter in the league indict him.
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I'm pretty sure Trot Nixon hit a big HR off him in the playoffs too. He also blew several big regular season games for Oakland in his year there, most of which were with Hudson deserving a win (just like Koch's season there). The year before he went to Oakland, he actually lost his role as closer with Chicago. His numbers weren't bad or anything, but Manuel lost faith in him to close games and was giving chances to Marte, who I think was a rookie at the time.
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Sep 23 2005, 05:40 PM
I'm pretty sure Trot Nixon hit a big HR off him in the playoffs too.  He also blew several big regular season games for Oakland in his year there, most of which were with Hudson deserving a win (just like Koch's season there).  The year before he went to Oakland, he actually lost his role as closer with Chicago.  His numbers weren't bad or anything, but Manuel lost faith in him to close games and was giving chances to Marte, who I think was a rookie at the time.

that was rich harden, and he left one so flat and so fast, trot couldn't help but crush it to dead center.

he blew hudson's games that year, but they weren't big games, speizio and giambi hrs are 2 that i remember. he's had terrific years for awhile now, ill pass this year due to injuries the entire year.

and the year manuel was switching closers like socks was a joke and shouldn't count against foulke. he started off slowly, just like rivera started off slowly this year, and had a track record that should have earned him a leesh. his second half numbers in 02 were 0.74 era over 37 innigns pitched. manuel was an idiot and continued the gordon and marte platoon the rest of the way.
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my partial bad. i said gordon and marte were closing. i checked, since that didn't make sense, since i know gordon was only there one year and he was there before he came here. koch failed so badly that manuel again had to go to committee in 03, where marte and gordon got saves. his committee in 02 was completely unnecessary, as he jumped the guy to get foulke out of the closer's spot
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Sep 23 2005, 06:50 PM

that was rich harden, and he left one so flat and so fast, trot couldn't help but crush it to dead center.

Good memory. I just looked that up to confirm and you're right, it was Harden. I remember watching that game drunk at a sports bar near me and my shoddy memory of that night had Foulke giving up the HR.

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my partial bad. i said gordon and marte were closing. i checked, since that didn't make sense, since i know gordon was only there one year and he was there before he came here. koch failed so badly that manuel again had to go to committee in 03, where marte and gordon got saves. his committee in 02 was completely unnecessary, as he jumped the guy to get foulke out of the closer's spot


Yeah, I just looked that up too. It was Marte, Foulke, and former buddy Antonio Osuna.
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