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Topic Started: Sep 15 2005, 01:59 PM (76 Views)
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Worried about him.. He might be done, mentally.. The guy cracks under any form of pressure whether it be on or off the field.. Oakland f*cked him up he's been losing all confidence ever since. :wall:
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Sep 15 2005, 01:59 PM
Worried about him.. He might be done, mentally.. The guy cracks under any form of pressure whether it be on or off the field.. Oakland f*cked him up he's been losing all confidence ever since. :wall:

Damn, you've turned on him after 1 game? I don't think its confidence, its limitations because of his arm. Its not so much distance that's important (cuz most deep routes, they hang it up for the receiver to run under) but velocity on intermeidates. He's floating a little backyard soft toss 15 yards over the middle, that gives defenders a chance to make a play. The Raiders exposed that. But last week, that wasn't the biggest problem. Reason for optimism: He ain't gonna fumble 6 times every game. He's a pretty good QB (not elite) and he'll have a pretty good season (not elite). But he's still better than what a lot of teams have.
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Worried about him..  He might be done, mentally..   The guy cracks under any form of pressure whether it be on or off the field..  Oakland f*cked him up he's been losing all confidence ever since.  :wall:

Damn, you've turned on him after 1 game? I don't think its confidence, its limitations because of his arm. Its not so much distance that's important (cuz most deep routes, they hang it up for the receiver to run under) but velocity on intermeidates. He's floating a little backyard soft toss 15 yards over the middle, that gives defenders a chance to make a play. The Raiders exposed that. But last week, that wasn't the biggest problem. Reason for optimism: He ain't gonna fumble 6 times every game. He's a pretty good QB (not elite) and he'll have a pretty good season (not elite). But he's still better than what a lot of teams have.

no man its not his arm, he played well (obviously besides the fumbles) and made all the throws last week. On the road and under pressure he sucks. Plain and simple, he panics and he usually f*cks up (6 fumbles). He's not the QB he once was and I think it's all mental, if you're confident you don't panic. He flat out looks scared somtimes, whether it's scared to f*ck up or scared to get hit by a 290lb boulder... You can't play scared.. Hackett might have f*cked him up mentally.

He will light up Miami this weekend, but that's to be expected..

1 game?? I've been waiting since 2002..
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Damn, you've turned on him after 1 game? I don't think its confidence, its limitations because of his arm. Its not so much distance that's important (cuz most deep routes, they hang it up for the receiver to run under) but velocity on intermeidates


f*ck the arm strength sh*t. Joe Montana had a "weak" arm and look at him. Its more important to place the ball where it needs to be. Look Akili Smith had a great arm, Ryan Leaf had a cannon, and they all flopped in their first years. Its all mental for Chad. This season is his last chance to establish himself as an elite QB
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As shown on Sunday...IF you give Pennington time, he can pick apart ANY defense in the NFL with ease...

But when Sammy Knight or Derrick Johnson sneak up and get ready to blitz, Chad folds like nothing else...You blitz him, rattle him up, that's where he makes his ill-advised f*ck ups...Buffalo is good at doing that...

But damn...The OLine gets alot of the blame for Sunday...I mean, when Martin pretty much RECEIVES the handoff a KC player is already waiting for him...Chad, who's play action is probably second best in the NFL to Peyton Manning, couldn't even turn around without a KC defender being in his face...it's very discouraging watching a blitzer come up on the Jets knowing he'll get by and get a shot on Chad...Manning and Brady are the two BEST at oncoming blitzers...Their quick release is phenominal, they relish having blitzers come...With Chad it's the polar opposite, he loves it when only 4 men rush, and even still some KC players got by, most notably Jared Allen...But when everyone drops back, Chad is very good at finding that seam and getting it in their...

The solution is easy for defenses...Blitz him, hit him, rattle him...Which will lead to INTs and fumbles and misreads...Simple as that.
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Damn, you've turned on him after 1 game? I don't think its confidence, its limitations because of his arm. Its not so much distance that's important (cuz most deep routes, they hang it up for the receiver to run under) but velocity on intermeidates


f*ck the arm strength sh*t. Joe Montana had a "weak" arm and look at him. Its more important to place the ball where it needs to be. Look Akili Smith had a great arm, Ryan Leaf had a cannon, and they all flopped in their first years. Its all mental for Chad. This season is his last chance to establish himself as an elite QB

Montana didn't have a cannon, but he didn't have a Johnny Damon arm like Chad. And he had velocity. Those passes to Rice on slants came out quick. He might not have had the arm to chuck it deep and hard, but he had zip. Pennington doesn't have that.

And no question arm stregnth comes behind QB IQ and accuracy for QBs. You can get by with a weak arm if you've got those and in contrast, you'll be a joke if you've got the strong arm and lack those. However, Pennington is limited because of his arm. Rich Gannon never had a strong arm, but he had zip on the short-intermediate. Without that, you can be taken advantage of with Cover 2. You need zip to split the zones and get it in the "window". He's floating it up and giving the linebackers a chance to react. The Raiders and Patriots did exactly that. No question he can work around it (I was riding that Pennington bandwagon more than a lot of Jets fans), but its a weakness that can and will be exploited. He's locked up for $64M so ya'll are gonna have to live with it. But he's not a bad QB. I'll take Pennington throwing lefty for my team before Kerry Collins. So don't think I'm trying to knock your guy.

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The solution is easy for defenses...Blitz him, hit him, rattle him...Which will lead to INTs and fumbles and misreads...Simple as that.


him = every QB
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The solution is easy for defenses...Blitz him, hit him, rattle him...Which will lead to INTs and fumbles and misreads...Simple as that.


him = every QB

Nah way...Peyton and Brady love when teams blitz...When they know one of their options is in single coverage they fire it in their with ease...It's hard as f*ck to sack those two, they bring on the blitzes...Cept when teams drop back they can pick apart the zones like nothing also...
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Damn, you've turned on him after 1 game? I don't think its confidence, its limitations because of his arm. Its not so much distance that's important (cuz most deep routes, they hang it up for the receiver to run under) but velocity on intermeidates


f*ck the arm strength sh*t. Joe Montana had a "weak" arm and look at him. Its more important to place the ball where it needs to be. Look Akili Smith had a great arm, Ryan Leaf had a cannon, and they all flopped in their first years. Its all mental for Chad. This season is his last chance to establish himself as an elite QB

Montana didn't have a cannon, but he didn't have a Johnny Damon arm like Chad. And he had velocity. Those passes to Rice on slants came out quick. He might not have had the arm to chuck it deep and hard, but he had zip. Pennington doesn't have that.

And no question arm stregnth comes behind QB IQ and accuracy for QBs. You can get by with a weak arm if you've got those and in contrast, you'll be a joke if you've got the strong arm and lack those. However, Pennington is limited because of his arm. Rich Gannon never had a strong arm, but he had zip on the short-intermediate. Without that, you can be taken advantage of with Cover 2. You need zip to split the zones and get it in the "window". He's floating it up and giving the linebackers a chance to react. The Raiders and Patriots did exactly that. No question he can work around it (I was riding that Pennington bandwagon more than a lot of Jets fans), but its a weakness that can and will be exploited. He's locked up for $64M so ya'll are gonna have to live with it. But he's not a bad QB. I'll take Pennington throwing lefty for my team before Kerry Collins. So don't think I'm trying to knock your guy.

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The solution is easy for defenses...Blitz him, hit him, rattle him...Which will lead to INTs and fumbles and misreads...Simple as that.


him = every QB

the "zip" on the ball isn't the problem. He also has more giddy up on his ball since the surgery..

There wasn't a throw that I can remember that he floated or threw into coverage against KC. Hopefully it was just game to get rid of kinks/nerves with the new system but watching him the past 2 years he has the tendency to panic way too much. It's most likely the cause of him being reluctant to take a 'risk' (blame hackett) which leads him to hesistate which leads to abnormally bad plays.

Also the Line didn't help.. If you watched the game you noticed when he had time he didn't know what to do... It was just ugly :no1:

Like Law said, "We have to put [the Chiefs loss] behind us, but we have to remember it... We need to remember what this felt like, but make sure this doesn't happen again."
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^The only floater was the INT to Surtain...Pat just sat in his zone and made a real good jump on the ball...

But Chad had a decent game passing wise Sunday...None of his passes floated except that one...He hit JMac or Coles over the middle with ease, leading them just fine, no floating or anything...But damn 4 drops is very costly to him, ESPECIALLY the Coles slant route where it just bounced off his hands...Horrible break, but thats how the entire day went.
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Damn, you've turned on him after 1 game? I don't think its confidence, its limitations because of his arm. Its not so much distance that's important (cuz most deep routes, they hang it up for the receiver to run under) but velocity on intermeidates


f*ck the arm strength sh*t. Joe Montana had a "weak" arm and look at him. Its more important to place the ball where it needs to be. Look Akili Smith had a great arm, Ryan Leaf had a cannon, and they all flopped in their first years. Its all mental for Chad. This season is his last chance to establish himself as an elite QB

Montana didn't have a cannon, but he didn't have a Johnny Damon arm like Chad. And he had velocity. Those passes to Rice on slants came out quick. He might not have had the arm to chuck it deep and hard, but he had zip. Pennington doesn't have that.

And no question arm stregnth comes behind QB IQ and accuracy for QBs. You can get by with a weak arm if you've got those and in contrast, you'll be a joke if you've got the strong arm and lack those. However, Pennington is limited because of his arm. Rich Gannon never had a strong arm, but he had zip on the short-intermediate. Without that, you can be taken advantage of with Cover 2. You need zip to split the zones and get it in the "window". He's floating it up and giving the linebackers a chance to react. The Raiders and Patriots did exactly that. No question he can work around it (I was riding that Pennington bandwagon more than a lot of Jets fans), but its a weakness that can and will be exploited. He's locked up for $64M so ya'll are gonna have to live with it. But he's not a bad QB. I'll take Pennington throwing lefty for my team before Kerry Collins. So don't think I'm trying to knock your guy.

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The solution is easy for defenses...Blitz him, hit him, rattle him...Which will lead to INTs and fumbles and misreads...Simple as that.


him = every QB

ya i was gonna say it but they might have taking it as trolling. Montanas arm wasnt a rocket but it was above average unlike chad. I agree id take Pennington and his weak but usually accuarte arm any day over Collins "rocket" which is only under control when its deep( sometimes not even)
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Sep 15 2005, 07:45 PM
^The only floater was the INT to Surtain...Pat just sat in his zone and made a real good jump on the ball...

But Chad had a decent game passing wise Sunday...None of his passes floated except that one...He hit JMac or Coles over the middle with ease, leading them just fine, no floating or anything...But damn 4 drops is very costly to him, ESPECIALLY the Coles slant route where it just bounced off his hands...Horrible break, but thats how the entire day went.

Surtain was playing man on that he just broke off his reciever.
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The O line was awful. Martin couldnt run at all. When chad was ready to throw there was some a-hole right there ready to tackle him. besides his fumbles, his numbers werent bad. Plus, hes still coming off of surgery. we gotta remember that. He shouldnt have FULL strength JUST yet.
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^The only floater was the INT to Surtain...Pat just sat in his zone and made a real good jump on the ball...

But Chad had a decent game passing wise Sunday...None of his passes floated except that one...He hit JMac or Coles over the middle with ease, leading them just fine, no floating or anything...But damn 4 drops is very costly to him, ESPECIALLY the Coles slant route where it just bounced off his hands...Horrible break, but thats how the entire day went.

Surtain was playing man on that he just broke off his reciever.

At second glance, you're right...Their was no safety help over the top at all...But the way Surtain made a jump on the ball it was as if he was just sitting their, but he infact was playing man with Coles...
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