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next monday
Topic Started: Sep 13 2005, 06:39 PM (151 Views)
PavanosBalls
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well, since last season i have usually had to work my part-time job on the sundays that the giants play. the games i have been able to catch with rare days off have usually been miserable games to watch, for the giants usually lose and lose miserably, chicago and detroit last season come to mind. i have not caught a full giant win in almost two seasons. well, went in today, checked my schedule. next monday night, i can watch the game. hopefully this trend bucks itself, since id love a win on a rare game when i can see all 60 regulation minutes.
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if you are unlucky, then dont watch.

You need to take one for the team, we cannot be knocked out of contention this early.
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Aint no such thing as bad luck when Will Allen has to cover Joe Horn
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Sep 13 2005, 05:42 PM
if you are unlucky, then dont watch.

You need to take one for the team, we cannot be knocked out of contention this early.

i almost want to do that, but i cant hardly have a real impact on the game. im crazier than i even suspect if i start thinking i sway the balance of the game. it is weird how they play like crap whenever i have caught then the past two seasons. but that can easily be explained, since they played like crap for most of the last 2 seasons. you can even count 02, since it took em a bit to get going
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Sep 13 2005, 05:48 PM
Aint no such thing as bad luck when Will Allen has to cover Joe Horn

if stallworth has a big game, itll be because they switched assignments.
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Sep 13 2005, 06:48 PM
Aint no such thing as bad luck when Will Allen has to cover Joe Horn

Its called "Mo' points for Strider's fantasy team."

Cano, do you tape/TiVo the games?
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Strider
Sep 13 2005, 06:32 PM
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Sep 13 2005, 06:48 PM
Aint no such thing as bad luck when Will Allen has to cover Joe Horn

Its called "Mo' points for Strider's fantasy team."

Cano, do you tape/TiVo the games?

thats part of the reason i turned down your fantasy league, i dont want to root agiants the gmen.
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Sep 13 2005, 07:35 PM
Strider
Sep 13 2005, 06:32 PM
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Sep 13 2005, 06:48 PM
Aint no such thing as bad luck when Will Allen has to cover Joe Horn

Its called "Mo' points for Strider's fantasy team."

Cano, do you tape/TiVo the games?

thats part of the reason i turned down your fantasy league, i dont want to root agiants the gmen.

I never root against my team. But Joe Horn vs. Will Allen, I could get an #87 VooDoo doll and stab the eyes, he'd still put 8 catches and a 100 yards (or more) on us. Might as well capitalize and take a positive from the negative.
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will lets hope will allens speed can keep him on Joe, cause we all know will allens hands arent to great :no1:
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it is not his hands that make him a bad corner.

i have always maintaned that if allen had ty law's hands he would still be horrible and overrated, extremly so. He cant cover ANYONE and with his speed he gives more cussion then a linebacker would need.
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Mr. Sunshine
Sep 13 2005, 09:04 PM
it is not his hands that make him a bad corner.

i have always maintaned that if allen had ty law's hands he would still be horrible and overrated, extremly so. He cant cover ANYONE and with his speed he gives more cussion then a linebacker would need.

how long before Webster takes a spot in the lineup
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Sep 13 2005, 10:32 PM
Mr. Sunshine
Sep 13 2005, 09:04 PM
it is not his hands that make him a bad corner.

i have always maintaned that if allen had ty law's hands he would still be horrible and overrated, extremly so. He cant cover ANYONE and with his speed he gives more cussion then a linebacker would need.

how long before Webster takes a spot in the lineup

i doubt it will happen this year

coughlin doesnt like allen as a player, but i think he despises peterson as a person, he would not hesitate to give up his spot to webster.

But if we finish .500 or better it wont happen this year.
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I have class until 10:15pm on Monday nights. I think my plan is going to be skipping meeting people out for the game like most Monday nights, TiVo'ing the Giants, not turning on the radio during the drive home, and watching the game as if it is live when I get home, obviously skipping the commercials. The bad part is I won't be able to watch the real MNF game on the other TV because I will see the Giants' score a million times.
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Sep 13 2005, 09:04 PM
it is not his hands that make him a bad corner.

i have always maintaned that if allen had ty law's hands he would still be horrible and overrated, extremly so. He cant cover ANYONE and with his speed he gives more cussion then a linebacker would need.

Isn't his 40 one of the best in football? His speed is not the reason he sucks, it's his stupidity. If he didn't have speed, he wouldnt be in the NFL because it is his speed that allows him to gain up on his reciever if he sees his reciever going somewhere.
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Sep 14 2005, 02:56 PM
Mr. Sunshine
Sep 13 2005, 09:04 PM
it is not his hands that make him a bad corner.

i have always maintaned that if allen had ty law's hands he would still be horrible and overrated, extremly so. He cant cover ANYONE and with his speed he gives more cussion then a linebacker would need.

Isn't his 40 one of the best in football? His speed is not the reason he sucks, it's his stupidity. If he didn't have speed, he wouldnt be in the NFL because it is his speed that allows him to gain up on his reciever if he sees his reciever going somewhere.

he has a pretty good 40 but speed doesnt make you a good cover, just means that you could cover a straight go route with no double moves.

Allen falls for every shake a reciever will put on him, that is why he gives up like 15 yards of cussion.
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You saw him bust his ass on Fitzgerald's out route. Wasn't a double move or even that sharp a cut.

I read a scouting report that said he ran a great 40 and wasn't even wearing his own shoes. He had to borrow a pair from somebody else who had bigger feet than him. So its possible that he could've run an even better time. The report also said that his coverage skills need work, he can't catch, and he seems satisfied to just knock the ball down when he gets a hand on it. But they praised his tremendous athletic ability.

* And for whatever reason, he's got a 73 catching rating in Madden 06. Higher than Peterson and Gibril's.

LT, speed doesn't make you good in coverage. Ty Law isn't that fast. Anaeas Williams wasn't that fast. But they don't (didn't) get fooled on routes. They had smarts and instincts. Allen doesn't have that.

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exactly, its being able to recognize someones footwork (how sharply they break a comeback as opposed to a hitch n go) and hip rotation and deceleration on Outs and In cuts.

If they dont decelerate on a straight route you gotta get moving cause its either a post, corner or fly.

If they dont decelerate on an out or in break (sharp cut=deceleration and shift in body weight) then its a double move.

That kind of recognition can make speed almost meaningless
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giants fans dont like him much, but he seems to often be held in high esteem higher, than Peterson, idk y
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Sep 14 2005, 09:08 PM
giants fans dont like him much, but he seems to often be held in high esteem higher, than Peterson, idk y

In all the Madden games. I think he's considered better than Peterson because he's the LCB (lines up over the #1 receiver in most games), was drafted 1st round (Peterson was a 3rd rounder from a smaller school), and he's got a lot of physical talent. Allen has good size for a corner and ran a great 40 time. He demonstrated his athleticism on that diving tuck 'n roll INT against the Redskins a few years back. And in 2001, he got some picks. Peterson is somewhat of an anonymous because of where he came from and he doesn't jump out at people because he doesn't get INTs. If you're a pure cover corner (Champ Bailey), you have to have a reputation to get noticed. Champ was drafted real high and there was a lotta hype about him being the next Deion. And if you're not a big name, you have to have a season where you make a lot of plays and get on the highlight reels and stand out on the stat sheet. Peterson has neither so he's overlooked. But if you watch him every game, he's a damn good cover man and should've probably made the Pro Bowl last year. I'd make the argument for him in 2002, but he missed some games.

Last season, one of the analysts said that he asked some receivers around the league what they thought of them since back in 2002 people thought they might develop into an elite tandem and most receivers said they're OK; nothing special.

And the people who hold Allen in high regard and think he's a great cover corner who could be a superstar if only he'd hold on to INTs, those are the highlight reel analysts who don't really follow the team. If you watch every play of every game, you know Will Allen gets torched consistently.
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Sep 13 2005, 09:04 PM
it is not his hands that make him a bad corner.

i have always maintaned that if allen had ty law's hands he would still be horrible and overrated, extremly so. He cant cover ANYONE and with his speed he gives more cussion then a linebacker would need.

Isn't his 40 one of the best in football? His speed is not the reason he sucks, it's his stupidity. If he didn't have speed, he wouldnt be in the NFL because it is his speed that allows him to gain up on his reciever if he sees his reciever going somewhere.

he has a pretty good 40 but speed doesnt make you a good cover, just means that you could cover a straight go route with no double moves.

Allen falls for every shake a reciever will put on him, that is why he gives up like 15 yards of cussion.

Obviously, just correcting you that he's one of the fastest guys in all of football. Speed isn't the reason he sucks.

This is his contract year too, so unless he has a great season I doubt they'll bring him back(Maybe if he gets paid a little).
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Sep 14 2005, 09:14 PM
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Sep 14 2005, 09:08 PM
giants fans dont like him much, but he seems to often be held in high esteem higher, than Peterson, idk y

In all the Madden games. I think he's considered better than Peterson because he's the LCB (lines up over the #1 receiver in most games), was drafted 1st round (Peterson was a 3rd rounder from a smaller school), and he's got a lot of physical talent. Allen has good size for a corner and ran a great 40 time. He demonstrated his athleticism on that diving tuck 'n roll INT against the Redskins a few years back. And in 2001, he got some picks. Peterson is somewhat of an anonymous because of where he came from and he doesn't jump out at people because he doesn't get INTs. If you're a pure cover corner (Champ Bailey), you have to have a reputation to get noticed. Champ was drafted real high and there was a lotta hype about him being the next Deion. And if you're not a big name, you have to have a season where you make a lot of plays and get on the highlight reels and stand out on the stat sheet. Peterson has neither so he's overlooked. But if you watch him every game, he's a damn good cover man and should've probably made the Pro Bowl last year. I'd make the argument for him in 2002, but he missed some games.

Last season, one of the analysts said that he asked some receivers around the league what they thought of them since back in 2002 people thought they might develop into an elite tandem and most receivers said they're OK; nothing special.

And the people who hold Allen in high regard and think he's a great cover corner who could be a superstar if only he'd hold on to INTs, those are the highlight reel analysts who don't really follow the team. If you watch every play of every game, you know Will Allen gets torched consistently.

:clap: :clap: excellent post that made me feel smarter once again strider. you should change your name to professor strider, because you got a phd in nfl.

your right. corners dont get noticed unless they do something like get a bunch of ints or have a reputation when they are drafted, charles woodson, deion sanders, champ bailey come to mind. since peterson is so good at covering, he doesnt get his name mentioned as much as allen, who covers the number 1 mostly and thus has to tackle them for getting beat so much, and since he doesnt get ints or had a reputation from the draft, theres no recognition of his true abilities.
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