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Topic Started: Sep 12 2005, 08:46 AM (72 Views)
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Just to get this out of the way, Eli did not play particularly well. He skipped 3 passes and underthrew Burress. But ill give him a break on both INTS bc/ one was caused by a drop by Tyree (drops happen, but cant blame the int on the qb when it does) and the other was tipped at the line and Dansby made a great catch. People will always disagree with me im sure, but I never even blamed Collins when balls got tipped at the line and picked. To me thats just bad luck.

He handled the pressure well as far as moving in the pocket and not being a tackling dummy, but I think that started to bother him a little bit, the same way it did last year and he lost some rhythm. Again, im sure people are edgy about that cause we all want to see improvement. Patience is a bitch. Especially since we've been what 10-22 in the last 2 years. His consistency should improve as time goes on. Not happy with the way he played or someone of the playcalling (get the f*ckin ball downfield) but not as upset as most people.

Now, I dunno if y'all heard but we have this like 265 lbs RB that we drafted. Ever try tackling a f*ckin 265 pound guy when youve been physically active for 3 hours? ITS A BITCH. I dont want to see f*ckin Derrick Ward in the game with 10 mins left in the 4th quarter. I dont care if they know we're gonna pound away, they still gotta tackle the f*ckin guy. What the hell ya think defenses think when Jerome Bettis comes into the game when Pitt is up 10 in the 4th. THEY AINT PASSING. But it doesnt matter, cause you still gotta make the tackle. Coughlin needs to grasp the concept of giving this guy 10-12 carries a game, especially early 1st quarter, and 4th quarter.

Speaking of which, we need to run the ball. Eli is alot more capable of handling the offense than he was last year, but we still need to stay balanced and run the ball. We got away from the run in the 2nd quarter and COINCIDENTLY they got back in the ball game. Both Tiki and Jacobs had outstanding games but we need to run more.

Tale of two defenses in the two halves. Whos the f*ckin guy that thought we should blitz from the exterior? I mean its not rocket science, with all the UNTALENTED, INEXPERIENCED ROOKIES on the INTERIOR offensive line.....Maybe you wanna blitz those gaps....instead of CB slot blitzes that a veteran QB can see in advance and throw behind

Credit for 2 2nd half adjustments....Putting Corey Webster on Larry Fitzgerald, Will Allen was just out manned, plain and simple. And then the bulb when off in somebodys head and we started blitzing inside. And COINCIDENTLY we started getting to Warner....also coincidently he didnt do sh*t in the 2nd half.

Also, props to Antonio Pierce, dude gets to the ball.
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People will always disagree with me im sure, but I never even blamed Collins when balls got tipped at the line and picked. To me thats just bad luck.


Not a lot of Collins' picks were tipped. Or even great plays by the defender. Collins' picks were attributed to Collins' stupidity. Either that or his belief that all DBs are Will Allen.

I don't blame Manning for the INTs (although it does bother me that quite a few of his passes get tipped at the line and how he seems to throw a pick every game), its the other sh*t I went over yesterday.

I haven't been happy with the playcalling since ever. You know how it was with Payton/Fassel and now Hufnagel/Coughlin is pissing me off too. Too conservative (at the wrong times) and predictible. I was guessing run/pass all game and I was only wrong 3 times. Coughlin has too much of that, "It doesn't matter if it's not pretty or unorthodox enough. If we win the line of scrimage, they can't stop us." It ain't 1952 anymore. Creativity has to come in. And that over-conservative sh*t, it goes against our receiver's stregnths. You keep doing that short sh*t, Toomer will have quite a few games where he catches 3 or fewer passes. As long as the line is holding up, they should be taking atleast 10 shots of 20+ downfield a game. It'll back guys up to help the running game and there's less traffic downfield than in the conjested middle. You keep f*cking around constantly with 5-10, that's where most picks come from. Except the one to Smith against the Falcons on the zone blitz and the deep ball where Toomer got tripped against the Steelers, all his picks have come on short passes. If you're not gonna have Carter as the slot man, make this a running/intermediate-deep passing offense.

They averaged about 5.4 per carry and only ran it 23 times. Granted, there weren't that many opportunities to pound it (our secondary makes 3rd & 12 look like 2nd & 1), but they should've gone to it a bit more. And I agree with Jacobs over Ward. Been saying this since pre-season. But Coughlin don't here me though.

* I get this feeling that Jacobs will be injury prone. I said the same thing about Shockey when I first saw him. Potential to be great but he'll have a short career, plagued by leg injuries. I hope I'm wrong, but I see teams going for his legs a lot. Since because of his height, he can't get low for leverage - especially against DBs - and they're scared to take him on upper body vs. upper body, dudes will be diving for the knees. That could f*ck him up.

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Tale of two defenses in the two halves. Whos the f*ckin guy that thought we should blitz from the exterior? I mean its not rocket science, with all the UNTALENTED, INEXPERIENCED ROOKIES on the INTERIOR offensive line.....Maybe you wanna blitz those gaps....instead of CB slot blitzes that a veteran QB can see in advance and throw behind


Didn't think of that but you're right. Them analysts always say, "The shortest distance to a spot is a straight line. Blitz up the middle." All those outside blitzes, they were getting cut off or reaching late. Also, I think they should've tried some stunts with Osi and Tuck. Against backup guards with little experience, its good to f*ck around and throw a curveball.

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Also, props to Antonio Pierce, dude gets to the ball.


:clap: 11 tackles and he was around a lot of plays. Good to have that when we've got an inexperienced Torbor (who I like) and Emmons who treats RBs like he's trying to hug water.
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Not a lot of Collins' picks were tipped. Or even great plays by the defender. Collins' picks were attributed to Collins' stupidity. Either that or his belief that all DBs are Will Allen.


Yeah I know, just general point that I hate that f*ck, but wouldnt blame him.

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I haven't been happy with the playcalling since ever. You know how it was with Payton/Fassel and now Hufnagel/Coughlin is pissing me off too. Too conservative (at the wrong times) and predictible. I was guessing run/pass all game and I was only wrong 3 times. Coughlin has too much of that, "It doesn't matter if it's not pretty or unorthodox enough. If we win the line of scrimage, they can't stop us." It ain't 1952 anymore. Creativity has to come in. And that over-conservative sh*t, it goes against our receiver's stregnths. You keep doing that short sh*t, Toomer will have quite a few games where he catches 3 or fewer passes. As long as the line is holding up, they should be taking atleast 10 shots of 20+ downfield a game. It'll back guys up to help the running game and there's less traffic downfield than in the conjested middle. You keep f*cking around constantly with 5-10, that's where most picks come from.


David Macklin was Plaxico Burress' bitch. And he had no deep help on alot of plays. We only took two shots the entire game, its f*ckin pathetic and it doesnt play to our strength. I wouldnt have a problem with the uncreative dives and leads (bc/ we can do that with our running game, it doesnt have to be a ton of misdirection)....what gets me is the same thing....short passes dont exploit what the running game opens up downfield (Shockey's Post.....the way they crowded the box we shouldve been running that untill they stopped it.

Like I said before the game, screen passes can be effective against this defense....but they can only do so much.


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They averaged about 5.4 per carry and only ran it 23 times. Granted, there weren't that many opportunities to pound it (our secondary makes 3rd & 12 look like 2nd & 1), but they should've gone to it a bit more. And I agree with Jacobs over Ward. Been saying this since pre-season. But Coughlin don't here me though.


Its just gotta be in the gameplan more. We got our 2nd posesion up 7-0....we shouldve started pounding away on the ground instead of running short passes. Same thing with 10 mins left in the 4th.

As far as him getting hurt, he just needs to learn to run lower to the ground, its possible though bc/ Bettis can do it.


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Osi and Tuck. Against backup guards with little experience, its good to f*ck around and throw a curveball.


Run a stunt like that and have Pierce or Torbor hitting the inside gap and somebody is gonna miss a block. I mean jesus people used to do it to us all the time. Even in Max Protection Peters, Lucier, Deihl and Roehl would have trouble giving Collins time.

*Greatest tag line of the day, "Pennington made completions when the line gave him time"

Not sure who that reminds me of. :laugh:
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As far as him getting hurt, he just needs to learn to run lower to the ground, its possible though bc/ Bettis can do it.


Bettis is only 5'11" though. He's about average height for an RB. Its tougher for Jacobs because he's so tall. He said it himself in an interview that he wishes he was 6'1".

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"Pennington made completions when the line gave him time"


Who said that? He did have a decent passing game. But its not as if pressure was the biggest factor. He got sacked 3 times. Pressure ain't have nothing to do with botched snaps.
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Point being Kerry Collins looks like a good QB if the line gives him time. So do 31 other starters
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*Greatest tag line of the day, "Pennington made completions when the line gave him time"


Nobody who watched the game would possibly say that.

He made simply terrible throws when he had all day to throw. His INT was on a play fake when he had plenty of time and he threw into coverage for an easy INT.

He missed open recievers all day when he had time.

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*Greatest tag line of the day, "Pennington made completions when the line gave him time"


Nobody who watched the game would possibly say that.

He made simply terrible throws when he had all day to throw. His INT was on a play fake when he had plenty of time and he threw into coverage for an easy INT.

He missed open recievers all day when he had time.



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When he had time he made the completions...It also doesn't help when his WR's had 4 drops, 2 by Coles...But if he gets pressured, it's either a sack or an incompletion...
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Burress has always made it difficult for CBs, his sheer size makes him one of the toughest to block.
I say most people played well, Eli was rusty from lack of play but i think hell improve. As long as his weapons keep it up there in good shape
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