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The day this Yankee team came together; My theory
Topic Started: Aug 27 2005, 04:49 PM (236 Views)
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The night Jason Giambi, before the big HR barrage of July, hit the walkoff HR against Pittsburgh, I feel that the Yankees came together as a team. Some people like Strider will say chemistry doesn't matter, but I think it does. Before that night, they seemed so business-like at all times. The way they rallied around Giambi that night is now more apparent between everyone. As Kay and Kaat mentioned, Leiter has fit in very well with the team. A-Rod said his enthusiasm with all teammates has helped the clubhouse. The whole team seems comfortable around and supportive of A-Rod finally. A-Rod seems happy. Jeter is playing well again and seems to be enthusiastic. Wright, although bad today, gets fired up on the mound. Giambi while struggling lately, seems alive and into baseball again. Lawton is thrilled to be playing in his first playoff race. I just like the feel of the team better now than I did a couple of months ago and I feel that it all started that night with the Giambi walkoff on June 15 off Jose Mesa.
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It was quite an awesome sight to see. I was ready to rip this team to shreds, but guys are stepping up now...finally. :thumbup:
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Don't forget the slap to Left by Lawton.....he's a dangerous hitter...

...but he worries me in the OF
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I have to agree, through the ups and downs since then you still have to say that was the night that things started to come together. This team is like a bunch of kids rallying for and picking each other up! It wasn't like that early on the first couple of months. It's great to see, A Rod and Jeter laughing it up and celebrating together...guys just showing love, it's awesome. You got guys like Lawton and Chacon so happy to be here after being in baseball hell, especially Lawton for so long, always has been on crappy teams!!!! I love it, let's keep this up, today is the best day of 2005 to be a Yankee fan, I feel so good right now. :pray: Please keep this up boys, I want this year so bad, it would be so sweet after being declared dead by ourselves and everyone else so many times this year!
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RicFlair4Life
Aug 27 2005, 05:03 PM
Don't forget the slap to Left by Lawton.....he's a dangerous hitter...

...but he worries me in the OF

Yeah, and we saw that today in the 5th on that ball hit by Long.....plus his arm is garbage!
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Aug 27 2005, 04:49 PM
The night Jason Giambi, before the big HR barrage of July, hit the walkoff HR against Pittsburgh, I feel that the Yankees came together as a team. Some people like Strider will say chemistry doesn't matter, but I think it does. Before that night, they seemed so business-like at all times. The way they rallied around Giambi that night is now more apparent between everyone. As Kay and Kaat mentioned, Leiter has fit in very well with the team. A-Rod said his enthusiasm with all teammates has helped the clubhouse. The whole team seems comfortable around and supportive of A-Rod finally. A-Rod seems happy. Jeter is playing well again and seems to be enthusiastic. Wright, although bad today, gets fired up on the mound. Giambi while struggling lately, seems alive and into baseball again. Lawton is thrilled to be playing in his first playoff race. I just like the feel of the team better now than I did a couple of months ago and I feel that it all started that night with the Giambi walkoff on June 15 off Jose Mesa.

Its been a while since that HR against the Pirates. Since then, they've had more struggles and been inconsistent. What about those times? Did they forget about the chemistry from the HR during those stretches? Had they lost this game and continued to the rollercoaster ride, would you have made this post?
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Yes, I would have made it eventually. I have been thinking about it a lot lately, but never got around to posting it. Seeing Lawton be as happy as he is and hearing A-Rod mention Leiter has meant a lot to the clubhouse pushed me to write it now. They have struggled at times since June 15, but they have been more together as a team. They fight until the end, win or lose. They seem happier.
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Aug 27 2005, 05:34 PM
Yes, I would have made it eventually. I have been thinking about it a lot lately, but never got around to posting it.  Seeing Lawton be as happy as he is and hearing A-Rod mention Leiter has meant a lot to the clubhouse pushed me to write it now.  They have struggled at times since June 15, but they have been more together as a team.  They fight until the end, win or lose.  They seem happier.

Yes, but my point is that happiness doesn't contribute directly to wins and losses. You can smiling and giddy then still go up there and strikeout. After the strikeout, your boys can pat you on the back and say "Its OK," and you go back up and strikeout in your next AB. Everyone wants to be happy and get along and be around people they like, but it doesn't translate to winning. There are probably some loosey-goosey teams in the league right now sucking.
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This won't be a popular opinion, but I think Cashman deserves a ton of credit for rebuilding this team on the fly when the rotation turned to sh*t. And he did it without surrendering major prospects.

Kudos to the ice cream man. :clap:


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Aug 27 2005, 05:44 PM
This won't be a popular opinion, but I think Cashman deserves a ton of credit for rebuilding this team on the fly when the rotation turned to sh*t. And he did it without surrendering major prospects.

Kudos to the ice cream man. :clap:

Kudos to the VC for informing Cashman of this team's needs. Had it not been for us, he'd have traded Eric Duncan for Dmitri Young.
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Aug 27 2005, 05:44 PM
Mattingly23
Aug 27 2005, 05:34 PM
Yes, I would have made it eventually. I have been thinking about it a lot lately, but never got around to posting it.  Seeing Lawton be as happy as he is and hearing A-Rod mention Leiter has meant a lot to the clubhouse pushed me to write it now.  They have struggled at times since June 15, but they have been more together as a team.  They fight until the end, win or lose.  They seem happier.

Yes, but my point is that happiness doesn't contribute directly to wins and losses. You can smiling and giddy then still go up there and strikeout. After the strikeout, your boys can pat you on the back and say "Its OK," and you go back up and strikeout in your next AB.

Their record since June 15 is 40-24. They've had some bad games and struggles, but I think they came together as a team that night when they outwardly supported Giambi. Combine that with the contributions of cats like Small and Chacon, as well as Leiter, and you have the actual turning point in my mind. I won't try to convince you, but I pinpoint the change in feeling about the season to that night. I've had my doubts since then, but I've never felt out of it like I did earlier this year.

Also as cmnyy said, Cashman deserves the credit on Chacon. He must have thought of calling the Rockies as he ordered some Rocky Road ice cream at Baskin Robbins. He thought, "Hmm, Rocky Road. Rockies. I should call about Chacon."
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Yeah, I'll never be convinced of chemistry. Momentum and hotstreaks and the cream rising to the top, but not chemistry having a direct effect on play. In football, basketball, hockey, and other "team" team games that require everyone to be synchronized and the ball to be shared. Maybe not even, when it comes to happiness. Did you see the Eagles highlights from last night?

I think I was more optimistic about the season than you were at that point. But the fact that they've continued to go up & down and that certain people have continued to be inconsistent and shown they can't be trusted, that's turned me off, despite the winning.

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"Hmm, Rocky Road. Rockies. I should call about Chacon."


"Rocky Road.....cone.....ice.....Rockies......cone......Cha-cone. Nah, I'll go with butter pecan. Wait a damn minute....my phone. Hey BC, what's going on? Who the hell is Shawn Chacon? He's a player in the big leagues? You really think I should get him? If you say so."
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Aug 27 2005, 05:44 PM
This won't be a popular opinion, but I think Cashman deserves a ton of credit for rebuilding this team on the fly when the rotation turned to sh*t. And he did it without surrendering major prospects.

Kudos to the ice cream man. :clap:

So you're saying he deserves a lot of credit for Spending George's money and writing huge checks in the off season....something you or any clown could have done...and for taking a flyer on a guy who won 2 games in 25 starts....
Okay...
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and for taking a flyer on a guy who won 2 games in 25 starts....
Okay...


It gives Cashman too much credit if you look at it that way. Put it like this, 4.09 ERA in Colorado = Hot sh*t = obvious. No credit for that.
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Anybody else could have taken that flyer, including Boston.


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Aug 27 2005, 06:12 PM
Anybody else could have taken that flyer, including Boston.

Their rotation is perfect and they didn't need the help. They made their NL gamble with Matt Clement.
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Aug 27 2005, 06:12 PM
Anybody else could have taken that flyer, including Boston.

Boston was smart enough not to fly Gaybe White - Felix Heredia - Stanton2- Nellie2- Benitez- Groom- on and on....Fly this...:please:
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Aug 27 2005, 07:14 PM
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Aug 27 2005, 06:12 PM
Anybody else could have taken that flyer, including Boston.

Boston was smart enough not to fly Gaybe White - Felix Heredia - Stanton2- Nellie2- Benitez- Groom- on and on....Fly this...:please:

Yeah, they only went with Mike Remlinger, Jeremi Gonzalez, Matt Mantei, John Halama...
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Benitez wasn't bad in his short time here, I still say they would have been smarter to keep him instead of Nellie2 back in '03!!!
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It's do or die time. The Yanks basicly need to play over .600 ball and win 20-22 more games. It's time for the Jim Fassel speech.
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Aug 27 2005, 10:51 PM
Benitez wasn't bad in his short time here, I still say they would have been smarter to keep him instead of Nellie2 back in '03!!!

Benitez was sh*t
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Aug 27 2005, 11:19 PM
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Aug 27 2005, 10:51 PM
Benitez wasn't bad in his short time here, I still say they would have been smarter to keep him instead of Nellie2 back in '03!!!

Benitez was sh*t

HIs ERA was right at 3 in his brief stint here, he wasn't as bad as people make him out to be!
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Aug 27 2005, 11:19 PM
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Aug 27 2005, 10:51 PM
Benitez wasn't bad in his short time here, I still say they would have been smarter to keep him instead of Nellie2 back in '03!!!

Benitez was sh*t

HIs ERA was right at 3 in his brief stint here, he wasn't as bad as people make him out to be!

In 9 1/3 innings here he had a 1.93 ERA with 10 k's.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/benitar01.shtml
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Aug 27 2005, 11:19 PM
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Aug 27 2005, 10:51 PM
Benitez wasn't bad in his short time here, I still say they would have been smarter to keep him instead of Nellie2 back in '03!!!

Benitez was sh*t

HIs ERA was right at 3 in his brief stint here, he wasn't as bad as people make him out to be!

In 9 1/3 innings here he had a 1.93 ERA with 10 k's.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/benitar01.shtml

and 8 hits and 6 walks.....and I know some inherited runners were welcomed home by the original soft lesbian Armando.
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Aug 27 2005, 10:51 PM
Benitez wasn't bad in his short time here, I still say they would have been smarter to keep him instead of Nellie2 back in '03!!!

Benitez was sh*t

HIs ERA was right at 3 in his brief stint here, he wasn't as bad as people make him out to be!

In 9 1/3 innings here he had a 1.93 ERA with 10 k's.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/benitar01.shtml

and 8 hits and 6 walks.....and I know some inherited runners were welcomed home by the original soft lesbian Armando.

Wow, the ERA was even lower then I thought! You had to take the walks with him, that came with the territory. He sure as hell was better then Nellie Part Duex.... :puke:
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Mo always had to bail Armando out, which defeated the whole purpose of trading for him. It was supposed to be to keep Mo out of the 8th inning, but he would come in to clean up Benitez' messes anyway.
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Aug 28 2005, 12:46 AM
Mo always had to bail Armando out, which defeated the whole purpose of trading for him. It was supposed to be to keep Mo out of the 8th inning, but he would come in to clean up Benitez' messes anyway.

The point is he was better then Nellie part II!
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Aug 28 2005, 12:51 AM
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Mo always had to bail Armando out, which defeated the whole purpose of trading for him.  It was supposed to be to keep Mo out of the 8th inning, but he would come in to clean up Benitez' messes anyway.

The point is he was better then Nellie part II!

I guess. They both sucked. At least I didn't hate the sight of Nelson.
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Aug 28 2005, 12:54 AM
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Mo always had to bail Armando out, which defeated the whole purpose of trading for him.  It was supposed to be to keep Mo out of the 8th inning, but he would come in to clean up Benitez' messes anyway.

The point is he was better then Nellie part II!

I guess. They both sucked. At least I didn't hate the site of Nelson.

I hated the site of Nellie Part II!! Keep that f*cker in Seattle! :furious2:
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Bottom line is they were both better than Acevedo.
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