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Topic Started: Aug 24 2005, 07:46 PM (400 Views)
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i dont know how many people are here. but i tell you this, im seeing much sharper movement on his fastball than usual this year. his velocity appears up a bit. his knucklecurve always seems to be there now. its that fastball moving across the plate with some speed that i havent seen. between him and wright, im getting pleased.
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this is unacceptable. he goes from dominanting to hittable in an instant.
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What's more unacceptable is Torre leaving in that long :fyou:
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How can you give up 8 runs within 5 minutes.....UNREAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Aug 24 2005, 07:38 PM
What's more unacceptable is Torre leaving in that long :fyou:

id be absolutely livid if i was a yankee player. he gave absolutely no indication of falling apart like this.
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I still can't understand how a Major league pitcher can fall apart like that. RJ on Sunday too.
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Aug 24 2005, 08:38 PM
What's more unacceptable is Torre leaving in that long  :fyou:

:please: should have left that soft lesbian in the whole game. :smirk:
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Aug 24 2005, 07:46 PM
I still can't understand how a Major league pitcher can fall apart like that. RJ on Sunday too.

someone needs to get in his face. falling apart like that destroys games. at least show signs of the wheels coming off. you could not have predicted this after seeing the first 4 innings.
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Aug 24 2005, 07:48 PM
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Aug 24 2005, 08:38 PM
What's more unacceptable is Torre leaving in that long  :fyou:

:please: should have left that soft lesbian in the whole game. :smirk:

Should have let Mikey stay the hell out there and suck one up for the pen. The game is practically over now, why waste the pen at all. Dumbass Joe is probably going to use TanGorMo even down by 9.
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This is what pisses me off about Moose. He's coasting, looking great, then a few close pitches don't go his way and he turns into a bitch. As soon as he didn't get those two calls he wanted he once again got pissy and turned into sh*t.
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Aug 24 2005, 08:01 PM
This is what pisses me off about Moose. He's coasting, looking great, then a few close pitches don't go his way and he turns into a bitch. As soon as he didn't get those two calls he wanted he once again got pissy and turned into sh*t.

arod should get in his face in the clubhouse and tell him he better be more concerned with him than getting some balls called wrongly
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Aug 24 2005, 08:03 PM
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Aug 24 2005, 08:01 PM
This is what pisses me off about Moose. He's coasting, looking great, then a few close pitches don't go his way and he turns into a bitch. As soon as he didn't get those two calls he wanted he once again got pissy and turned into sh*t.

arod should get in his face in the clubhouse and tell him he better be more concerned with him than getting some balls called wrongly

he is such a f*cking twat
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Aug 24 2005, 08:04 PM
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This is what pisses me off about Moose. He's coasting, looking great, then a few close pitches don't go his way and he turns into a bitch. As soon as he didn't get those two calls he wanted he once again got pissy and turned into sh*t.

arod should get in his face in the clubhouse and tell him he better be more concerned with him than getting some balls called wrongly

he is such a f*cking twat

prissy millionaire bitches. having money takes the toughness out of people. its times like these you wish the players were tough like the old days
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I had a feeling it was going to happen. You could see that look on his face like everyone in the world was against him. It's really amazing how after all these years he still lets a bad call or two throw him completelly off his game.
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Moose let the A's back in tonite - wh*re
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Moose needs a good man in his life. Someone who'll be gentle and show him some affection. Treat him how a lady's supposed to be treated. Someone to share tea and tea biscuits with and listen to his ramblings as he works on the day's crossword puzzle. Someone who doesn't mind doing down on him and developing a special relationship with his vagina. That's all it takes.
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stride. did you see that maddux like tail to his fastball the first few innings? he looked great. then, out of nowhere, hes throwing bp in the 5th. nothing angers me more than suddenness like that
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Aug 24 2005, 11:30 PM
stride. did you see that maddux like tail to his fastball the first few innings? he looked great. then, out of nowhere, hes throwing bp in the 5th. nothing angers me more than suddenness like that

Nah, I didn't. I had it on but it was muted and I wasn't paying attention.

But that's basically Mike Mussina in a nutshell. One minute its there and the next its not. Start to start and this time, one inning to the next.
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Aug 24 2005, 08:37 PM
this is unacceptable. he goes from dominanting to hittable in an instant.

Which is why I don't trust him, and hate, hate, HATE his f*cking guts. Outside of RJ, there isn't a bigger pussy in the game than this guy. He should stop pitching, and start doing tampon advertisements to make his money. What a damn loser. :fyou:
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Aug 25 2005, 09:38 AM
What's more unacceptable is Torre leaving in that long :fyou:

Check his damn games where he blows up....Everytime he gets upset at the ump over a pitch everything goes to sh*t with this guy. If he really had the balls he would have been better off challenging the batters with fast balls and off speed stuff and probably would have been better off. It's as if he can't trust the defense to help him out. It seems that Mussina always gets in this mode that he has to strike out each and every batter. A lot of blame goes to the hapless Yankee batters who apparently don't realize that they are in the hunt for the playoffs. What a pathetic bunch of bananas.... :no1: :no1: :dunno: :dunno: :wtf: :wtf:
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this is unacceptable. he goes from dominanting to hittable in an instant.

Which is why I don't trust him, and hate, hate, HATE his f*cking guts. Outside of RJ, there isn't a bigger pussy in the game than this guy. He should stop pitching, and start doing tampon advertisements to make his money. What a damn loser. :fyou:

mussina is one of those great pitchers that i can understand why people would hate him, since hes such an enigma. theres a lot of accomplishments in his career he should have been able to accomplish with his stuff, in particular his prime, that he never was able to do. but i will say this, i do believe hes borderline hall of famer. hes played in a difficult division his entire career, and hes fared pretty well. i dont like that he gets lit up in big spots some times, but nobody goes out there every start and puts up quality starts.
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Aug 25 2005, 09:55 AM

mussina is one of those great pitchers that i can understand why people would hate him, since hes such an enigma. theres a lot of accomplishments in his career he should have been able to accomplish with his stuff, in particular his prime, that he never was able to do. but i will say this, i do believe hes borderline hall of famer.

We've already established that Cooperstown is going to have to annex half of upstate New York to fit all the guys you think are HOFers.

Moose is no HOFer. He's never even been the best pitcher in his own league, let alone all of baseball, never won 20 games, never won a World Series, never won a Cy Young, and has never been particularly dominant for any extended period of time.

He goes down in that group of pitchers that were very effective for their entire careers but will end up with between 230 and 250 wins but I wouldn't even consider him having an outside shot to get in the Hall.

The test case for Mussina will be Tom Glavine, who will finish his career with more wins, a World Series ring, two Cy Youngs and five 20-win seasons to his credit. He's borderline and I don't think he'll get in, Moose has little or no shot.

This generation's HOF Pitchers:

Clemens -- THE dominant pitcher of his generation. A stone cold lock.

Randy Johnson -- Has won over 250 games, perfect game, no-hitter, all the strikeouts, 5 Cy Youngs (including 4 in a row), and a World Series.

Maddux -- Four Cy Youngs, over 300 wins, he's obvious.

That's the list. Schilling may get consideration for the two World Series and may benefit from having a loud mouth and being a drama queen.
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mussina is one of those great pitchers that i can understand why people would hate him, since hes such an enigma. theres a lot of accomplishments in his career he should have been able to accomplish with his stuff, in particular his prime, that he never was able to do. but i will say this, i do believe hes borderline hall of famer.

We've already established that Cooperstown is going to have to annex half of upstate New York to fit all the guys you think are HOFers.

Moose is no HOFer. He's never even been the best pitcher in his own league, let alone all of baseball, never won 20 games, never won a World Series, never won a Cy Young, and has never been particularly dominant for any extended period of time.

He goes down in that group of pitchers that were very effective for their entire careers but will end up with between 230 and 250 wins but I wouldn't even consider him having an outside shot to get in the Hall.

The test case for Mussina will be Tom Glavine, who will finish his career with more wins, a World Series ring, two Cy Youngs and five 20-win seasons to his credit. He's borderline and I don't think he'll get in, Moose has little or no shot.

This generation's HOF Pitchers:

Clemens -- THE dominant pitcher of his generation. A stone cold lock.

Randy Johnson -- Has won over 250 games, perfect game, no-hitter, all the strikeouts, 5 Cy Youngs (including 4 in a row), and a World Series.

Maddux -- Four Cy Youngs, over 300 wins, he's obvious.

That's the list. Schilling may get consideration for the two World Series and may benefit from having a loud mouth and being a drama queen.

rj, if your going to make a well-thought out, well-written response, make sure you include pedro martinez in your list of this generations hall of fame pitchers. aside from that, i get your point. i dont agree, but i get it.
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The test case for Mussina will be Tom Glavine, who will finish his career with more wins, a World Series ring, two Cy Youngs and five 20-win seasons to his credit. He's borderline and I don't think he'll get in, Moose has little or no shot
:laugh: Bro - Glavine is a stonecold lock and he's gonna win 300...
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The test case for Mussina will be Tom Glavine, who will finish his career with more wins, a World Series ring, two Cy Youngs and five 20-win seasons to his credit. He's borderline and I don't think he'll get in, Moose has little or no shot
:laugh: Bro - Glavine is a stonecold lock and he's gonna win 300...

i dont think tom glavines a hall of famer. mussina was better than him. he pitched in the al. glavine got a lot of calls in his favor in his prime.
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The test case for Mussina will be Tom Glavine, who will finish his career with more wins, a World Series ring, two Cy Youngs and five 20-win seasons to his credit. He's borderline and I don't think he'll get in, Moose has little or no shot
:laugh: Bro - Glavine is a stonecold lock and he's gonna win 300...

He's not going to win 300. He needs 28 wins, he'll be 40 before next season starts, and has won 9, 11, and 10 (so far) in the last three seasons.

Cano, i'm not even going to start, because you can't be reasoned with in these HOF discussions. Moose is NOT an HOFer. Period, end of sentence.
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Everyone knows I like Moose a lot, always have going back to his rookie year, but he's not a Hall of Famer. Glavine will most likely miss out on 300. I'd like to see how Kocur thinks he will get there if he keeps up the way he has been the past few years. He's suddenly going to be a 20 game winner again at age 40? He'll really have to hang on an extra year or two to get there with the amount of games he wins per year these days. I do think Glavine will get into the Hall though because of the five 20 win seasons, the two Cy Youngs, the World Series title, and being a big part of those Atlanta teams that won countless division titles in a row (I guess 11 while he was there).

You obviously just forgot Pedro. Nice job by Cano attempting to get you on that one. If you want to be complete too, you have to add Rivera to the list, but I assume you were just discussing starting pitchers.
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You're right, I did forget Pedro. He's a lock, my mistake.
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Glavine is going in my opinion, easily. Now that we're discounting 400-500 HRs because of the era, shouldn't the opposite hold true for pitchers? To me, 200 wins is a tremedous accomplishment when you take into account the hitter's era, the 5 man rotation, and the rise of huge specialization in the bullpens.


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Glavine needs 28 wins - he's been pitching great of late by the way - He's a lock whether he gets it or not - but he will and when he does, he will be one of the few to ever Win 300 in the ERA of the 5 man rotation ...if Don Sutton is in - Tommy G is in....simple as that - this is a losing argument fellas.
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