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The Only Superstar On This Team...
Topic Started: Jul 22 2005, 10:27 PM (182 Views)
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Jul 25 2005, 07:46 PM
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Protection is absolute bullsh*t. EVERY pitcher, try as they might, WILL make a mistake to every hitter in the lineup at some point in the game. The key for a hitter is to take that mistake an launch it 500 feet.


Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig are dead and the rest of the players occasionally miss that pitch. So it is better if they get more then one pitch to handle.

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Anytime you draw a walk then you are putting your team in a better position to win a game. Throughout history, the best players have found ways to score runs and drive in runs with no "protection" (i.e. Ernie Banks, Ralph Kiner)


You picked great examples. Both Kiner’s Pirates and Banks’ Cubs were perennial losers who came in last almost every year.

We're not talking about the team winning and losing. We're talking about the performance of the individual.

I want to argue this, but I owe Gate so I'll shut up.
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Jul 25 2005, 07:01 PM
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Jul 25 2005, 07:46 PM
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Protection is absolute bullsh*t. EVERY pitcher, try as they might, WILL make a mistake to every hitter in the lineup at some point in the game. The key for a hitter is to take that mistake an launch it 500 feet.


Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig are dead and the rest of the players occasionally miss that pitch. So it is better if they get more then one pitch to handle.

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Anytime you draw a walk then you are putting your team in a better position to win a game. Throughout history, the best players have found ways to score runs and drive in runs with no "protection" (i.e. Ernie Banks, Ralph Kiner)


You picked great examples. Both Kiner’s Pirates and Banks’ Cubs were perennial losers who came in last almost every year.

We're not talking about the team winning and losing. We're talking about the performance of the individual.

I want to argue this, but I owe Gate so I'll shut up.

EXACTLY, those players (Kiner and Banks) managed to put up great numbers with no "proteciton" around them. You can say that if the Pirates or Cubs had had a couple more hitters to drive in more runs then they would have been better, but it is still possible to be a great hitter with no "protection"
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Jul 25 2005, 07:39 PM
EXACTLY, those players (Kiner and Banks) managed to put up great numbers with no "proteciton" around them. You can say that if the Pirates or Cubs had had a couple more hitters to drive in more runs then they would have been better, but it is still possible to be a great hitter with no "protection"

But what did it accomplsih for the team and how do we know what type of numbers they would have put up if they played in NY and there was pressure on them to win. Putting up great stats on a last place team in Pittsburgh means sh*t. How many times did he get pitches right down the middle because the Pirates were losing by a big score. How many managers arranged the pitching staff so they would throw the 2nd line pitchers against the Cubs. You should also realize that Kiner doesn't subscribe to the theory that you are better off not drawing the walk if they don't give you good pitches to hit. He believes you should drive the run in even if you swing at a bad pitch. BTW Not all of Kiner's stats were superhuman, his career average is .280. I'm sure Kiner's ba would have been much higher if he had protection around him.

The fact is that everytime Beltran has played over 100 games in a season he has driven in over 100 rbi's, even with bad teams.
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