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Topic Started: Jul 22 2005, 10:27 PM (181 Views)
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The only superstar on the Eunuchs is Pedro. There is not one superstar in the lineup. Not one player that other teams have to worry how are they going to get this guy out.
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That's the way it was going into the season. Beltran just makes superstar money.

Pete, he sure plays a MEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN centerfield, doesn't he. And they still hatin' on you. :no1:
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Jul 24 2005, 02:48 AM
That's the way it was going into the season. Beltran just makes superstar money.

Pete, he sure plays a MEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN centerfield, doesn't he. And they still hatin' on you. :no1:

Shut the f*ck up for the 1,329,393rd time.
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That's the way it was going into the season. Beltran just makes superstar money.

Pete, he sure plays a MEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN centerfield, doesn't he. And they still hatin' on you.  :no1:

Shut the f*ck up for the 1,329,393rd time.

I agree with Ray, Strider, shut the f*ck up and just get out of here if your gonna troll like this
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That's the way it was going into the season. Beltran just makes superstar money.

Pete, he sure plays a MEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN centerfield, doesn't he. And they still hatin' on you. :no1:

I was at the game and I really can't blame Beltran for those plays. Everyone was getting blinded by the sun in the outfield. Hell, I was getting blinded by the sun looking towards home plate. My friends and I also thought it was moronic for many fans to boo Beltran after the first play, but that's another story for another day.
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That's the way it was going into the season. Beltran just makes superstar money.

Pete, he sure plays a MEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN centerfield, doesn't he. And they still hatin' on you. :no1:

I'd trade for him. He's better than Bubba f*ckin Crosby :evilgrin:
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That's the way it was going into the season. Beltran just makes superstar money.

Pete, he sure plays a MEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN centerfield, doesn't he. And they still hatin' on you.  :no1:

I'd trade for him. He's better than Bubba f*ckin Crosby :evilgrin:

I bet Pete wishes they'd trade him for Crosby. And it would actually make some sense based on salary.

Really, I don't want Beltran. He's not and never has been a superstar. All he'd be is another $100M 100 strikeout hitter in our lineup. We don't need that. We don't need a middle of the order hitter. Someone like J-Pie (Juan Pierre) or Damon would suit us much better. If he was here and hitting .260 with 40 RBI (and that might translate to .230/25 RBI for us), he'd draw the ire of the fans worse than Kevin Brown.
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the yankees dont need him.

the mets needed a star.

they got it.

id rather see beltran than jeromy bur-no-hitz
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Beltran has absolutely no protection in the Eunuchs lineup. Who hits behind him? The great Cliff Floyd! When he was in the Houston lineup when they had all that offensive power last year he lit up the place in the playoffs. Do you think Cano would be hitting as well with Piazza and Doug Mientkiewicz hitting behind him instead of Sheff and A-Rod?

The Mets are in a position where they have to overspend to get players. The Tampons so f*cked up this franchise that money is the only way they are going to get FA to come here. Once the franchise is resurrected they will be able to spend less to get FA to go to them.
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Beltran has absolutely no protection in the Eunuchs lineup. Who hits behind him? The great Cliff Floyd! When he was in the Houston lineup when they had all that offensive power last year he lit up the place in the playoffs. Do you think Cano would be hitting as well with Piazza and Doug Mientkiewicz hitting behind him instead of Sheff and A-Rod?

The Mets are in a position where they have to overspend to get players. The Tampons so f*cked up this franchise that money is the only way they are going to get FA to come here. Once the franchise is resurrected they will be able to spend less to get FA to go to them.

He spent what, 4 months in Houston? And even then, he hit .267 and struck out a lot.
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Thanks gate. youre the only smart one here.

the VC is SHITTY
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Beltran has absolutely no protection in the Eunuchs lineup. Who hits behind him? The great Cliff Floyd! When he was in the Houston lineup when they had all that offensive power last year he lit up the place in the playoffs. Do you think Cano would be hitting as well with Piazza and Doug Mientkiewicz  hitting behind him instead of Sheff and A-Rod?

The Mets are in a position where they have to overspend to get players. The Tampons so f*cked up this franchise that money is the only way they are going to get FA to come here. Once the franchise is resurrected they will be able to spend less to get FA to go to them.

He spent what, 4 months in Houston? And even then, he hit .267 and struck out a lot.

New league, pitchers he did not know, much tougher pitching then in the AL and so he struggled. But when he played the Cardinals who have an AL type team, great hitters with sh*t pitching, Beltran was on fire. If he was in the Yankee lineup and faced the pitchers (except for Halliday) in the AL east he would be hitting .320, 70 rbi's and 30 stolen bases right now.
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Beltran has absolutely no protection in the Eunuchs lineup. Who hits behind him? The great Cliff Floyd! When he was in the Houston lineup when they had all that offensive power last year he lit up the place in the playoffs. Do you think Cano would be hitting as well with Piazza and Doug Mientkiewicz hitting behind him instead of Sheff and A-Rod?

The Mets are in a position where they have to overspend to get players. The Tampons so f*cked up this franchise that money is the only way they are going to get FA to come here. Once the franchise is resurrected they will be able to spend less to get FA to go to them.

Protection is a f*cking myth. Its just an excuse players and teams use when there not doing well. Great hitters find their pitches to hit, and if they get pitched around then they adjust, thats why they are MLB hitters, they are the best of the best. I f*cking hate it when I hear some bitch player sayin, "Well I had no protection all year", bullsh*t!!!!
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That's the way it was going into the season. Beltran just makes superstar money.

Pete, he sure plays a MEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN centerfield, doesn't he. And they still hatin' on you.  :no1:

Shut the f*ck up for the 1,329,393rd time.

Really, enough of the bullsh*t already!!!
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Gategem is dead-on with this.
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Protection is a f*cking myth. Its just an excuse players and teams use when there not doing well. Great hitters find their pitches to hit, and if they get pitched around then they adjust, thats why they are MLB hitters, they are the best of the best. I f*cking hate it when I hear some bitch player sayin, "Well I had no protection all year", bullsh*t!!!!


Jordan, you just earned some respect from Strider. :clap:

If a great hitter is being pitched around and they're throwing him off-speed pitches out of the zone...mo'f*cka, DON'T SWING! Ofcourse being in a great lineup and having runners on ahead of you and a great batter or two behind is going to help. You'll have more RBI opportunities and you'll get more chances to hit. But if you're a great hitter in a mediocre lineup, I can't buy that as an excuse. Its not really pitching around the guy if he's gonna chase bad pitches and get himself out. They might just be pitching to his weakness. If you're that good, you'll be patient and realize that a walk is better than a strikeout. During Giambi's prime with the A's, he was the only elite hitter in that lineup. Matt Stairs and a young Miguel Tejada weren't producing more than David Wright and Cliff Floyd are now. So he took his 130 walks and still managed to hit over .330 and drive in 120+. That's a great hitter.
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There is a lot of pressure on Beltran to produce and he is in NY (look at A-Rod last year and Beltran is no where near the hitter A-Rod is). If he consistently walks he will get criticized for not driving runs in. Ted Williams was criticized in Boston for not driving more runs in and walking all the time. Beltran may be a slasher and not patient at the plate but if he has great hitters behind him he will get more fastballs and so he will have better stats. I know if I was pitching to Cano I would not be cute because if I walk him I now have to face Sheff and A-Rod with Cano on base. I believe next year Beltran will have an outstanding season.
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Jul 25 2005, 12:11 AM
There is a lot of pressure on Beltran to produce and he is in NY (look at A-Rod last year and Beltran is no where near the hitter A-Rod is). If he consistently walks he will get criticized for not driving runs in. Ted Williams was criticized in Boston for not driving more runs in and walking all the time. Beltran may be a slasher and not patient at the plate but if he has great hitters behind him he will get more fastballs and so he will have better stats. I know if I was pitching to Cano I would not be cute because if I walk him I now have to face Sheff and A-Rod with Cano on base. I believe next year Beltran will have an outstanding season.

so do i. hes adjusting to the pressure, and he seems to be getting the hang of it.

hell finish with good numbers and take off next year.
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Protection is a f*cking myth. Its just an excuse players and teams use when there not doing well. Great hitters find their pitches to hit, and if they get pitched around then they adjust, thats why they are MLB hitters, they are the best of the best. I f*cking hate it when I hear some bitch player sayin, "Well I had no protection all year", bullsh*t!!!!


Jordan, you just earned some respect from Strider. :clap:

If a great hitter is being pitched around and they're throwing him off-speed pitches out of the zone...mo'f*cka, DON'T SWING! Ofcourse being in a great lineup and having runners on ahead of you and a great batter or two behind is going to help. You'll have more RBI opportunities and you'll get more chances to hit. But if you're a great hitter in a mediocre lineup, I can't buy that as an excuse. Its not really pitching around the guy if he's gonna chase bad pitches and get himself out. They might just be pitching to his weakness. If you're that good, you'll be patient and realize that a walk is better than a strikeout. During Giambi's prime with the A's, he was the only elite hitter in that lineup. Matt Stairs and a young Miguel Tejada weren't producing more than David Wright and Cliff Floyd are now. So he took his 130 walks and still managed to hit over .330 and drive in 120+. That's a great hitter.

miguel tejada was never on the royals
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Protection is a f*cking myth. Its just an excuse players and teams use when there not doing well. Great hitters find their pitches to hit, and if they get pitched around then they adjust, thats why they are MLB hitters, they are the best of the best. I f*cking hate it when I hear some bitch player sayin, "Well I had no protection all year", bullsh*t!!!!


Jordan, you just earned some respect from Strider. :clap:

If a great hitter is being pitched around and they're throwing him off-speed pitches out of the zone...mo'f*cka, DON'T SWING! Ofcourse being in a great lineup and having runners on ahead of you and a great batter or two behind is going to help. You'll have more RBI opportunities and you'll get more chances to hit. But if you're a great hitter in a mediocre lineup, I can't buy that as an excuse. Its not really pitching around the guy if he's gonna chase bad pitches and get himself out. They might just be pitching to his weakness. If you're that good, you'll be patient and realize that a walk is better than a strikeout. During Giambi's prime with the A's, he was the only elite hitter in that lineup. Matt Stairs and a young Miguel Tejada weren't producing more than David Wright and Cliff Floyd are now. So he took his 130 walks and still managed to hit over .330 and drive in 120+. That's a great hitter.

:rock: :rock: :rock: :thumbup:
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Protection is a f*cking myth. Its just an excuse players and teams use when there not doing well. Great hitters find their pitches to hit, and if they get pitched around then they adjust, thats why they are MLB hitters, they are the best of the best. I f*cking hate it when I hear some bitch player sayin, "Well I had no protection all year", bullsh*t!!!!


Jordan, you just earned some respect from Strider. :clap:

If a great hitter is being pitched around and they're throwing him off-speed pitches out of the zone...mo'f*cka, DON'T SWING! Ofcourse being in a great lineup and having runners on ahead of you and a great batter or two behind is going to help. You'll have more RBI opportunities and you'll get more chances to hit. But if you're a great hitter in a mediocre lineup, I can't buy that as an excuse. Its not really pitching around the guy if he's gonna chase bad pitches and get himself out. They might just be pitching to his weakness. If you're that good, you'll be patient and realize that a walk is better than a strikeout. During Giambi's prime with the A's, he was the only elite hitter in that lineup. Matt Stairs and a young Miguel Tejada weren't producing more than David Wright and Cliff Floyd are now. So he took his 130 walks and still managed to hit over .330 and drive in 120+. That's a great hitter.

:rock: :rock: :rock: :thumbup:

So with two outs and a runner on 3rd Giambi takes a walk and the guy behind him strikes out or with one out and a runner on 3rd Giambi takes a walk and the guy behind him hits into a DP. As Ralph Kiner says all the time you don't want to walk in that situation you want to drive the run home. If you have Sheff and A-Rod hitting behind you the pitcher doesn't want to walk you so you get a pitch to drive. You swing at a pitch out of the strike zone if you know that there is crap behind you because you know if you don't drive the run home nobody will. BTW if you are selfish and only care about your own stats you take the walk and f*ck the team.
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Protection is a f*cking myth. Its just an excuse players and teams use when there not doing well. Great hitters find their pitches to hit, and if they get pitched around then they adjust, thats why they are MLB hitters, they are the best of the best. I f*cking hate it when I hear some bitch player sayin, "Well I had no protection all year", bullsh*t!!!!


Jordan, you just earned some respect from Strider. :clap:

If a great hitter is being pitched around and they're throwing him off-speed pitches out of the zone...mo'f*cka, DON'T SWING! Ofcourse being in a great lineup and having runners on ahead of you and a great batter or two behind is going to help. You'll have more RBI opportunities and you'll get more chances to hit. But if you're a great hitter in a mediocre lineup, I can't buy that as an excuse. Its not really pitching around the guy if he's gonna chase bad pitches and get himself out. They might just be pitching to his weakness. If you're that good, you'll be patient and realize that a walk is better than a strikeout. During Giambi's prime with the A's, he was the only elite hitter in that lineup. Matt Stairs and a young Miguel Tejada weren't producing more than David Wright and Cliff Floyd are now. So he took his 130 walks and still managed to hit over .330 and drive in 120+. That's a great hitter.

:rock: :rock: :rock: :thumbup:

So with two outs and a runner on 3rd Giambi takes a walk and the guy behind him strikes out or with one out and a runner on 3rd Giambi takes a walk and the guy behind him hits into a DP. As Ralph Kiner says all the time you don't want to walk in that situation you want to drive the run home. If you have Sheff and A-Rod hitting behind you the pitcher doesn't want to walk you so you get a pitch to drive. You swing at a pitch out of the strike zone if you know that there is crap behind you because you know if you don't drive the run home nobody will. BTW if you are selfish and only care about your own stats you take the walk and f*ck the team.

If your a great hitter you'll take that walk if you dont get anything good to hit or you'll find that mistake. Its all propaganda players/agents/teams use for an excuse
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With the way he's being paid and the way he was sold to Met fans, Beltran was suppossed to be the guy supplying the protection for the Mets, not needing more of it.
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Protection is a f*cking myth. Its just an excuse players and teams use when there not doing well. Great hitters find their pitches to hit, and if they get pitched around then they adjust, thats why they are MLB hitters, they are the best of the best. I f*cking hate it when I hear some bitch player sayin, "Well I had no protection all year", bullsh*t!!!!


Jordan, you just earned some respect from Strider. :clap:

If a great hitter is being pitched around and they're throwing him off-speed pitches out of the zone...mo'f*cka, DON'T SWING! Ofcourse being in a great lineup and having runners on ahead of you and a great batter or two behind is going to help. You'll have more RBI opportunities and you'll get more chances to hit. But if you're a great hitter in a mediocre lineup, I can't buy that as an excuse. Its not really pitching around the guy if he's gonna chase bad pitches and get himself out. They might just be pitching to his weakness. If you're that good, you'll be patient and realize that a walk is better than a strikeout. During Giambi's prime with the A's, he was the only elite hitter in that lineup. Matt Stairs and a young Miguel Tejada weren't producing more than David Wright and Cliff Floyd are now. So he took his 130 walks and still managed to hit over .330 and drive in 120+. That's a great hitter.

:rock: :rock: :rock: :thumbup:

So with two outs and a runner on 3rd Giambi takes a walk and the guy behind him strikes out or with one out and a runner on 3rd Giambi takes a walk and the guy behind him hits into a DP. As Ralph Kiner says all the time you don't want to walk in that situation you want to drive the run home. If you have Sheff and A-Rod hitting behind you the pitcher doesn't want to walk you so you get a pitch to drive. You swing at a pitch out of the strike zone if you know that there is crap behind you because you know if you don't drive the run home nobody will. BTW if you are selfish and only care about your own stats you take the walk and f*ck the team.

If your a great hitter you'll take that walk if you dont get anything good to hit or you'll find that mistake. Its all propaganda players/agents/teams use for an excuse

No you won't, because taking a walk with nothing much behind you in the lineup just ends up with you being stranded on base. The only time you will get a good pitch to hit is in meaningless situations.
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With the way he's being paid and the way he was sold to Met fans, Beltran was suppossed to be the guy supplying the protection for the Mets, not needing more of it.

Everybody performs better when they get protection in the lineup. Still you have to give Beltran the year and if he is bad next year then you can get on his ass. He is young enough where you can be patient with him.
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protection.

if a guy has no protection, he wont get the best stats he can. pitchers wont want to pitch to him, and hell try to overcompensate.
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Agreed. Protection is key. Mets need a big bat, preferably a 1st basemen. :peace:
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Protection is absolute bullsh*t. EVERY pitcher, try as they might, WILL make a mistake to every hitter in the lineup at some point in the game. The key for a hitter is to take that mistake an launch it 500 feet. A great hitter will identify that mistake without any "protection", if all these hitters are as great as they say they are then they need to grow a pair and go out and find that fat one and drive


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No you won't, because taking a walk with nothing much behind you in the lineup just ends up with you being stranded on base.


Anytime you draw a walk then you are putting your team in a better position to win a game. Throughout history, the best players have found ways to score runs and drive in runs with no "protection" (i.e. Ernie Banks, Ralph Kiner)
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Protection is absolute bullsh*t. EVERY pitcher, try as they might, WILL make a mistake to every hitter in the lineup at some point in the game. The key for a hitter is to take that mistake an launch it 500 feet. A great hitter will identify that mistake without any "protection", if all these hitters are as great as they say they are then they need to grow a pair and go out and find that fat one and drive


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No you won't, because taking a walk with nothing much behind you in the lineup just ends up with you being stranded on base.


Anytime you draw a walk then you are putting your team in a better position to win a game. Throughout history, the best players have found ways to score runs and drive in runs with no "protection" (i.e. Ernie Banks, Ralph Kiner)

:please: I think it's quite obvious:

Protection= Better pitches to hit. [size=14]FACT.[/size]

All things being equal, you want as much protection as possible. :peace:
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Protection is absolute bullsh*t. EVERY pitcher, try as they might, WILL make a mistake to every hitter in the lineup at some point in the game. The key for a hitter is to take that mistake an launch it 500 feet.


Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig are dead and the rest of the players occasionally miss that pitch. So it is better if they get more then one pitch to handle.

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Anytime you draw a walk then you are putting your team in a better position to win a game. Throughout history, the best players have found ways to score runs and drive in runs with no "protection" (i.e. Ernie Banks, Ralph Kiner)


You picked great examples. Both Kiner’s Pirates and Banks’ Cubs were perennial losers who came in last almost every year.

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