Sox pull ahead of O's in Burnett chase

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Sox pull ahead of O's in Burnett chase
Topic Started: Jul 21 2005, 10:13 AM (233 Views)
Mantlemurcer	Jul 21 2005, 10:13 AM Post #1
Home of Champions Posts: 27,508 Group: Moderator Member #5 Joined: January 29, 2004	NY POST: SOX, O'S FIGHT FOR BURNETT By GEORGE KING ARLINGTON — There is big action in his neighborhood, but George Steinbrenner can't get in the game. Worse, The Boss is likely to watch AL East rivals Boston or Baltimore land A.J. Burnett, the jewel of a very shallow pitching pool, because the Yankees don't have what the Marlins want. According to somebody familiar with the Marlins' thinking, the Red Sox have slipped ahead of the Orioles in the race for Burnett because the Bosox will take struggling third baseman Mike Lowell with Burnett. Supposedly, the deal is being discussed between owners since Boston's John Henry and the Marlins' Jeffrey Loria are very close. It's not believed to being close, but with 10 days left before the trade deadline there is plenty of time to put it together. Here is how the deal the Yankees can't touch is being put together: The Red Sox send third baseman Bill Mueller and possibly a prospect to the Twins for lefty J.C. Romero and righty Joe Mays. The Red Sox then send Bronson Arroyo and Mays to the Marlins for Burnett and Lowell. "It's very real," a source said of the blockbuster deal the Yankees won't be happy about seeing go down. The key is the Red Sox taking Lowell, because the 31-year-old former Yankee farmhand is owed a lot of money and is experiencing a miserable season. At least he would upgrade the Red Sox defense at third. Lowell makes $7.5 million this year and has mutual options for $9 million in the next two seasons. He was batting .232 with four homers and 38 RBIs.



berniebomber	Jul 21 2005, 10:30 AM Post #2
Posts: 314 Group: Members Member #93 Joined: May 3, 2004	if the Yankees can't deal the Yankees can't deal. It is not like they are picking up Burnett without giving anyone up. Lets just hope Burnett is more like Pavano coming to the AL than Clement.
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cmnyy	Jul 21 2005, 10:30 AM Post #3
Group: Self-Appointed Administrators Posts: 9,568 Group: Members Member #6 Joined: January 29, 2004	Good, let them go for it. I don't even see how this makes them better. Is Burnett really going to be that much better than Arroyo? I doubt it. If they can get Romero and Mays for Mueller and a prospect they would be better off keeping Mays, and then just make Youkilis the third baseman. This deal does not scare me at all. Fu<k them.



Mantlemurcer	Jul 21 2005, 10:36 AM Post #4
Home of Champions Posts: 27,508 Group: Moderator Member #5 Joined: January 29, 2004	The latest rumor floating around the industry yesterday was that Florida was interested in sending A.J. Burnett and Mike Lowell to the Yanks in exchange for Carl Pavano and Felix Rodriguez. That scenario was quickly shot down, however, and seemed more like an attempt by the Marlins to shake up the Orioles, with whom they've been in negotiations with for several days.



Yanks473	Jul 21 2005, 03:17 PM Post #5
And the Band played on...... Posts: 22,433 Group: VC_Moderator Member #26 Joined: January 29, 2004	:furious2:



Mantlemurcer	Jul 21 2005, 03:51 PM Post #6
Home of Champions Posts: 27,508 Group: Moderator Member #5 Joined: January 29, 2004	DEAL APPEARS DEAD Full Story In that scenario, the Marlins would have received pitchers Bronson Arroyo and Joe Mays. Bill Mueller and prospects would have gone to the Twins, and the Red Sox were set to get Lowell, Burnett and J.C. Romero. According to one American League source, by early evening the deal looked like it was dead. The Sox aren't keen on taking Lowell, and the Marlins aren't crazy about Mays. "Boston doesn't have any interest in Lowell," one team executive said. "Obviously [the Marlins] are not going to pay the whole thing. If he was performing anywhere near the way he did the last few years, we'd consider it. But he doesn't look like the same guy. In general, teams are saying they'd have trouble taking him even with [the Marlins] paying most of it." If or when the Marlins determine they've exhausted all their possibilities of moving Lowell with Burnett, any number of teams will re-enter the hunt. The Red Sox, White Sox, Orioles, Tigers and Blue Jays all are willing to deal for Burnett. Unlike some of the aforementioned clubs, the Red Sox are willing to take Burnett without signing him to an extension. Burnett is eligible for free agency after this season. Any deal with the Red Sox would have to deliver Arroyo, who is not eligible for free agency until after 2008, to the Marlins. Chances are the Red Sox would need to acquire a bullpen arm from somewhere else to satisfy the Marlins' need for a reliever. "Hopefully I stay around here," Burnett said, after getting the win Tuesday.



PavanosBalls	Jul 21 2005, 06:26 PM Post #7
Unregistered	does not sound like the red sox are trading much for burnett which would be sickening to yankee fans. id rather the red sox have burnett than us part with cano in a deal for him. everybody wants a piece of robinson now and im glad cashman wont budge.
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YankeeBaseball	Jul 21 2005, 06:40 PM Post #8
Posts: 14,106 Group: VC_Members Member #48 Joined: April 24, 2004	canobaseball Jul 21 2005, 06:26 PM does not sound like the red sox are trading much for burnett which would be sickening to yankee fans. id rather the red sox have burnett than us part with cano in a deal for him. everybody wants a piece of robinson now and im glad cashman wont budge. Gotta hold onto Cano, Wang and Hughes. Any of our other "prospects" are fair game. :rock:



PavanosBalls	Jul 21 2005, 07:06 PM Post #9
Unregistered	wholeheartedly agree. cano is the next big thing at second.
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cmnyy	Jul 21 2005, 07:21 PM Post #10
Group: Self-Appointed Administrators Posts: 9,568 Group: Members Member #6 Joined: January 29, 2004	I like Cano too, but I'd trade him for Zito in a heartbeat.



PavanosBalls	Jul 21 2005, 08:17 PM Post #11
Unregistered	may i ask why you would trade zito for cano in a heartbeat. im interested. i think youd have to trade a guy like albie pujols our way for cano to be even considered in a trade.
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Mattingly23	Jul 21 2005, 08:22 PM Post #12
Posts: 17,762 Group: Moderator Member #74 Joined: April 29, 2004	cmnyy Jul 21 2005, 07:21 PM I like Cano too, but I'd trade him for Zito in a heartbeat. I know Zito has been better lately, but each time you say that, it is more and more crazy since Cano keeps looking like a better hitter each game.



cmnyy	Jul 21 2005, 08:24 PM Post #13
Group: Self-Appointed Administrators Posts: 9,568 Group: Members Member #6 Joined: January 29, 2004	canobaseball Jul 21 2005, 08:17 PM may i ask why you would trade zito for cano in a heartbeat. im interested. i think youd have to trade a guy like albie pujols our way for cano to be even considered in a trade. It's simple. We need pitching. Pitching wins Championships. BTW - If you called Beane and offered him Cano for Zito - he'd tell you to go fu<k yourself. He'd likely demand Cano + Hughes + Duncan too.



cmnyy	Jul 21 2005, 08:26 PM Post #14
Group: Self-Appointed Administrators Posts: 9,568 Group: Members Member #6 Joined: January 29, 2004	Mattingly23 Jul 21 2005, 08:22 PM cmnyy Jul 21 2005, 07:21 PM I like Cano too, but I'd trade him for Zito in a heartbeat. I know Zito has been better lately, but each time you say that, it is more and more crazy since Cano keeps looking like a better hitter each game. Zito hasn't just looked better lately - he's looked like Zito. Cy Young Zito. So Matt - you wouldn't do Cano for Zito straight up? BTW - I really do like Cano. I think he could turn out to be a superstar. But I would still trade him for Zito. You have to give something to get something.



Mattingly23	Jul 21 2005, 08:28 PM Post #15
Posts: 17,762 Group: Moderator Member #74 Joined: April 29, 2004	Nope. Cano is a keeper. You want Zito that badly, lets see him pitch well another 1.5 years, then sign him as a FA.



cmnyy	Jul 21 2005, 08:34 PM Post #16
Group: Self-Appointed Administrators Posts: 9,568 Group: Members Member #6 Joined: January 29, 2004	Mattingly23 Jul 21 2005, 08:28 PM Nope. Cano is a keeper. You want Zito that badly, lets see him pitch well another 1.5 years, then sign him as a FA. I doubt he'll ever even be a FA. Beane will either sign him long term, or trade him to a team that signs him long term. BTW - Have you seen his game log lately? Check out his last 6 starts: ESPN Damn that fu<ker is on fire!



soxnation88	Jul 21 2005, 08:55 PM Post #17
Ortiz is God Posts: 413 Group: Boston Fans Member #294 Joined: December 18, 2004	Hanley Ramirez is still better than Cano :evilgrin:



PavanosBalls	Jul 21 2005, 09:16 PM Post #18
Unregistered	pitching does win but cano is rod carew playing 2b you watch. would you trade rod carew for barry zito? think about that carefully.
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Mantlemurcer	Jul 21 2005, 10:49 PM Post #19
Home of Champions Posts: 27,508 Group: Moderator Member #5 Joined: January 29, 2004	soxnation88 Jul 21 2005, 08:55 PM Hanley Ramirez is still better than Cano :evilgrin: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:



Mantlemurcer	Jul 22 2005, 11:58 AM Post #20
Home of Champions Posts: 27,508 Group: Moderator Member #5 Joined: January 29, 2004	cbs sportsline: The Orioles are not sure they would make the deal with Florida for pitcher A.J. Burnett and 3B Mike Lowell even if the Marlins absorbed $10 million of the $21 million owed Lowell through 2007, says the Palm Beach Post, but the Baltimore Sun adds they have still asked for the medical records of both Florida players. In the meantime, the Orioles have contacted the Dodgers about Jeff Weaver and the Giants about Jason Schmidt if the Burnett deal falls through. According to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, the Red Sox look willing to assume the contract of Marlins 3B Mike Lowell, which Florida is making a requirement for them to trade pitcher A.J. Burnett. Lowell is owed him $21 million through 2007, and if Boston gets Burnett, it might flip him to the Phillies for veteran closer Billy Wagner.



MastaR316	Jul 22 2005, 04:59 PM Post #21
C-C-C-C-C-Combo Breaker Posts: 2,863 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: January 29, 2004	Mantlemurcer Jul 21 2005, 09:49 PM soxnation88 Jul 21 2005, 08:55 PM Hanley Ramirez is still better than Cano :evilgrin: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :rofl:



BeanBoy	May 12 2009, 02:25 PM Post #22
Matt Stairs Posts: 4,501 Group: Boston Fans Member #215 Joined: September 26, 2004	Mantlemurcer Jul 21 2005, 10:49 PM soxnation88,Jul 21 2005 08:55 PM Hanley Ramirez is still better than Cano :evilgrin: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :peace:



Giambi_MVP_25	May 12 2009, 03:02 PM Post #23
Misunderstood Genius Posts: 25,151 Group: Administrator Member #82 Joined: May 1, 2004	cmnyy Jul 21 2005, 07:21 PM I like Cano too, but I'd trade him for Zito in a heartbeat. :crazy2: Edited by Giambi_MVP_25, May 12 2009, 03:03 PM.



Sori4Mvp	May 12 2009, 04:16 PM Post #24
The Truth Posts: 35,327 Group: VC_Moderator Member #45 Joined: April 6, 2004	What ever happened to MastaR?



Venom	May 12 2009, 06:11 PM Post #25
The Dark Side Posts: 33,036 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: January 29, 2004	He died. BTW, CM was going on about Canoo for Zito that whole season. Thank God they didn't do that stupid ass trade.



Sori4Mvp	May 12 2009, 06:19 PM Post #26
The Truth Posts: 35,327 Group: VC_Moderator Member #45 Joined: April 6, 2004	Venom May 12 2009, 06:11 PM He died. BTW, CM was going on about Canoo for Zito that whole season. Thank God they didn't do that stupid ass trade. :sadness: :rip: :watery:



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