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AL proves to be superior league once again
Topic Started: Jul 16 2005, 09:11 AM (210 Views)
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I will repeat what I wrote elsewhere (I am beginning to sound like Strider):

Stop with the bs. If you would have bothered to check what this guy did against St. Louis you would know what he was going to do against Boston.

Against St. Louis on 5/8/05 he pitched 2/3rds of an inning, gave up 5 hits and 8 runs were charged against him.

St. Louis is the only team in the NL with a lineup to match the Redsox. They are probably the best team in baseball and if they grow some balls this year they probably will win it all.

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Didn't St. Louis whip Chien-Ming Wang's ass. BTW did you factor into Reddings era against AL teams this year the 3 and 1/3 he pitched against Seattle? And you know what you can do with your lollypop?

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how bout the following games as st louis couldnt hit randy johnson or carl pavano. both of which have so far failed in the american league?
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Andy Pettitte has a 2.98 ERA with Houston this year. With the Yankees, he consistently put up ERAs over 4.
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I will repeat what I wrote elsewhere (I am beginning to sound like Strider)


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Jul 16 2005, 10:55 AM
Andy Pettitte has a 2.98 ERA with Houston this year.  With the Yankees, he consistently put up ERAs over 4.

Did you guys ever hear of something called the DH. The Sox DH Ortiz compare that to a f*cking pitcher hitting.

Also RJ has been up and down this year and even Pavano pitched a coupld of good games. The fact is St. Louis has a hell of a lineup. Comparable to the Yankees and Bosox. BTW the Yankees and Bosox dominate the AL in most offensive catagories. Those two teams, offensively, are light years above everybody else but they have no pitching and pitching wins in the playoffs.
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Did you guys ever hear of something called the DH. The Sox DH Ortiz compare that to a f*cking pitcher hitting.


We know that. And its one of the reasons why the AL is better. The idea of having a pitcher hit and taking a spot away from guys who can be as domiant as Edgar Martinez, Frank Thomas, and Ortiz in exchange for an automatic out is just stupid.
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Did you guys ever hear of something called the DH. The Sox DH Ortiz compare that to a f*cking pitcher hitting.


We know that. And its one of the reasons why the AL is better. The idea of having a pitcher hit and taking a spot away from guys who can be as domiant as Edgar Martinez, Frank Thomas, and Ortiz in exchange for an automatic out is just stupid.

Everyone knows that, Gate. It's the main point.
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Did you guys ever hear of something called the DH. The Sox DH Ortiz compare that to a f*cking pitcher hitting.


We know that. And its one of the reasons why the AL is better. The idea of having a pitcher hit and taking a spot away from guys who can be as domiant as Edgar Martinez, Frank Thomas, and Ortiz in exchange for an automatic out is just stupid.

Everyone knows that, Gate. It's the main point.

It changes the game. In the NL the pitchers have better eras and the games are lower scoring then in the AL because of the DH. When you trade for a NL pitcher you have to realize that his era will be about a run higher in the AL and I am sure most of these teams know it. The big argument over the DH is that the DH causes half a player to be in the league. There have been a lot of guys in baseball history who could hit but couldn't play defense worth a sh*t. Until the DH a lot of them were nothing more then pinch hitters. It comes down to would you rather see a 2-1 game or a 10-9 game. It also makes you structure you roster differently and manage diffently. Again, that's why it is hard to compare the two leagues.
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Are you trying to explain that to me or someone else? I understood that when I was 7.
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Did you guys ever hear of something called the DH. The Sox DH Ortiz compare that to a f*cking pitcher hitting.


We know that. And its one of the reasons why the AL is better. The idea of having a pitcher hit and taking a spot away from guys who can be as domiant as Edgar Martinez, Frank Thomas, and Ortiz in exchange for an automatic out is just stupid.

Everyone knows that, Gate. It's the main point.

It changes the game. In the NL the pitchers have better eras and the games are lower scoring then in the AL because of the DH. When you trade for a NL pitcher you have to realize that his era will be about a run higher in the AL and I am sure most of these teams know it. The big argument over the DH is that the DH causes half a player to be in the league. There have been a lot of guys in baseball history who could hit but couldn't play defense worth a sh*t. Until the DH a lot of them were nothing more then pinch hitters. It comes down to would you rather see a 2-1 game or a 10-9 game. It also makes you structure you roster differently and manage diffently. Again, that's why it is hard to compare the two leagues.

:please: Face it: The NL sucks and NL games are boring. :agent:
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It changes the game. In the NL the pitchers have better eras and the games are lower scoring then in the AL because of the DH. When you trade for a NL pitcher you have to realize that his era will be about a run higher in the AL and I am sure most of these teams know it. The big argument over the DH is that the DH causes half a player to be in the league. There have been a lot of guys in baseball history who could hit but couldn't play defense worth a sh*t. Until the DH a lot of them were nothing more then pinch hitters. It comes down to would you rather see a 2-1 game or a 10-9 game. It also makes you structure you roster differently and manage diffently. Again, that's why it is hard to compare the two leagues.


We know all that. And that's why we don't like the NL.

A lot of those half a players are the best hittes in the game. There should be a place for someone like that. Forgive me for thinking that its silly that Frank Thomas and Edgar would have been no more than 7th inning subs for the pitcher in the other league.

And we know about the NL pitchers coming over and how it affects their numbers. And that's why we don't like them.
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Did you guys ever hear of something called the DH. The Sox DH Ortiz compare that to a f*cking pitcher hitting.


We know that. And its one of the reasons why the AL is better. The idea of having a pitcher hit and taking a spot away from guys who can be as domiant as Edgar Martinez, Frank Thomas, and Ortiz in exchange for an automatic out is just stupid.

Everyone knows that, Gate. It's the main point.

It changes the game. In the NL the pitchers have better eras and the games are lower scoring then in the AL because of the DH. When you trade for a NL pitcher you have to realize that his era will be about a run higher in the AL and I am sure most of these teams know it. The big argument over the DH is that the DH causes half a player to be in the league. There have been a lot of guys in baseball history who could hit but couldn't play defense worth a sh*t. Until the DH a lot of them were nothing more then pinch hitters. It comes down to would you rather see a 2-1 game or a 10-9 game. It also makes you structure you roster differently and manage diffently. Again, that's why it is hard to compare the two leagues.

:please: Face it: The NL sucks and NL games are boring. :agent:

There is nothing better then an old fashion pitching duel. Of course in the Junior Circuit that is a 8-7 game. :laugh2:

Then I guess you guys must love arena football.
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Did you guys ever hear of something called the DH. The Sox DH Ortiz compare that to a f*cking pitcher hitting.


We know that. And its one of the reasons why the AL is better. The idea of having a pitcher hit and taking a spot away from guys who can be as domiant as Edgar Martinez, Frank Thomas, and Ortiz in exchange for an automatic out is just stupid.

Everyone knows that, Gate. It's the main point.

It changes the game. In the NL the pitchers have better eras and the games are lower scoring then in the AL because of the DH. When you trade for a NL pitcher you have to realize that his era will be about a run higher in the AL and I am sure most of these teams know it. The big argument over the DH is that the DH causes half a player to be in the league. There have been a lot of guys in baseball history who could hit but couldn't play defense worth a sh*t. Until the DH a lot of them were nothing more then pinch hitters. It comes down to would you rather see a 2-1 game or a 10-9 game. It also makes you structure you roster differently and manage diffently. Again, that's why it is hard to compare the two leagues.

:please: Face it: The NL sucks and NL games are boring. :agent:

There is nothing better then an old fashion pitching duel. Of course in the Junior Circuit that is a 8-7 game. :laugh2:

Then I guess you guys must love arena football.

:please: go root for your schmets :agent:
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I love an old school pitchers duel, I really do. However, I can't stand watching the pitcher hit. We've gotten into these debates too many times, so anything I can say is beyond trite.
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Pitching duel my ass. Its called offensive ineptitude. When Chris Carpenter can dominate your league, you know the credit goes to the weak hitting.
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Pitching duel my ass. Its called offensive ineptitude. When Chris Carpenter can dominate your league, you know the credit goes to the weak hitting.

Dontrelle Willis would be like Sterling Hitchcock if he was in the AL.
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Jul 16 2005, 02:14 PM
Are you trying to explain that to me or someone else? I understood that when I was 7.

I know you and Terps get it but some don't. It comes down to preference. Do you like more hitting and higher scoring games or lower scoring games. The games are played differenly.

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I hate having rallies killed by having the pitcher come up.
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Pitching duel my ass. Its called offensive ineptitude. When Chris Carpenter can dominate your league, you know the credit goes to the weak hitting.

Dontrelle Willis would be like Sterling Hitchcock if he was in the AL.

Now your statements are just plain stupid.
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Pitching duel my ass. Its called offensive ineptitude. When Chris Carpenter can dominate your league, you know the credit goes to the weak hitting.

Dontrelle Willis would be like Sterling Hitchcock if he was in the AL.

I said it during the All Star game that Dontrelle would be a long reliver for the Indians.

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Who doesn't get it? Strider doesn't get it? I get it, I just don't like it.
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Pitching duel my ass. Its called offensive ineptitude. When Chris Carpenter can dominate your league, you know the credit goes to the weak hitting.

Dontrelle Willis would be like Sterling Hitchcock if he was in the AL.

Now your statements are just plain stupid.

Just look what happened at the AS game.
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Are you trying to explain that to me or someone else?  I understood that when I was 7.

I know you and Terps get it but some don't. It comes down to preference. Do you like more hitting and higher scoring games or lower scoring games. The games are played differenly.

I like lower scoring games as a whole, but can't take the pitcher hitting, so I will take a little more offense. The best of both worlds was pre-1995 when the offense went out of control, which was a combination of several reasons, including smaller ballparks being built since then, the ball allegedly being juiced at one point, expansion, and steriods becoming more popular. I don't hate the NL as a whole. I watch a lot of games, especially west coast games, in particular Dodgers games called by Vin Scully, but I can't stand seeing the pitcher up there.
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Pitching duel my ass. Its called offensive ineptitude. When Chris Carpenter can dominate your league, you know the credit goes to the weak hitting.

And when VG and Sheff can dominate your league it means your pitching is no better then the NL, maybe worse since VG is doing better in the AL. You can't use individual players as arguments because sometimes a player blossoms with another club.

If the team you root for is in a given league with certain rules then you root for that team and live with the rules. What is going on in the other league is not important.
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Pitching duel my ass. Its called offensive ineptitude. When Chris Carpenter can dominate your league, you know the credit goes to the weak hitting.

Dontrelle Willis would be like Sterling Hitchcock if he was in the AL.

Now your statements are just plain stupid.

Just look what happened at the AS game.

Skating by on a f*cking leg kick with his 89-92 mph fastball and cheap slider. That ERA would be 2 runs higher in the AL right now.

I bet you Randy Johnson would be pitching well in the NL right now. He'd be skating by on a f*cking arm angle and his 89-92 mph fastball and cheap slider.
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I will repeat what I wrote elsewhere (I am beginning to sound like Strider):

Stop with the bs. If you would have bothered to check what this guy did against St. Louis you would know what he was going to do against Boston.

Against St. Louis on 5/8/05 he pitched 2/3rds of an inning, gave up 5 hits and 8 runs were charged against him.

St. Louis is the only team in the NL with a lineup to match the Redsox. They are probably the best team in baseball and if they grow some balls this year they probably will win it all.

Did you know that he was hurt with a strained rotator cuff and went on the DL right after that start?
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Its not just 1 or 2 individuals. Come on. There's a bunch of pitchers who have come from the NL and struggled in the American League. Bunch of ex-ALers have done better in the NL. And I'm talking about pitchers so don't include Sheff and Vlad. Those guys are great hitters, period.

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Yeah, but how many times does it happen with a pitcher after leaving the NL and coming to the AL?

And I already killed this argument last time it came up. It was during the All Star game.
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Pitching duel my ass. Its called offensive ineptitude. When Chris Carpenter can dominate your league, you know the credit goes to the weak hitting.

Dontrelle Willis would be like Sterling Hitchcock if he was in the AL.

Now your statements are just plain stupid.

Just look what happened at the AS game.

Skating by on a f*cking leg kick with his 89-92 mph fastball and cheap slider. That ERA would be 2 runs higher in the AL right now.

I bet you Randy Johnson would be pitching well in the NL right now. He'd be skating by on a f*cking arm angle and his 89-92 mph fastball and cheap slider.

RJ would not be dominant with a 89-92 mph fastball. Have you watch Carpenter pitch recently? Remember he is now under the tutelage of Dave Duncan one of the best pitching coaches in the game.
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