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i hate boras
Topic Started: May 15 2005, 04:53 PM (327 Views)
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f*ck boras and this stupid ass league, people like him make it impossible for teams to compete even through drafting good talent, because he is not afraid to hold em out. The league cannot allow this kind of crap to continue.
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May 15 2005, 04:53 PM
f*ck boras and this stupid ass league, people like him make it impossible for teams to compete even through drafting good talent, because he is not afraid to hold em out. The league cannot allow this kind of crap to continue.

Yeah, maybe Boras would even convince teams Zambrano is good enough to be paid.

By the way, the Yankees might end up with Stephen Drew or Jared Weaver as a result of them holding out.
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which is bullsh*t

i know the mets do not have a money problem neither do the yanks so i shouldnt be bitching. Even so top talent should go to the last place teams, because boras is a dick teams that pick at the bottom need to settle for someone that would normally go 15 and or not even get a first round pick on account of a hold out.

BTW boras convinced people beltran was good.
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Beltran is good, dumbass. Overpaid a little? Maybe, but that's what happens when you're the best player in free agency.
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Mr. Sunshine
May 15 2005, 04:58 PM
which is bullsh*t

i know the mets do not have a money problem neither do the yanks so i shouldnt be bitching. Even so top talent should go to the last place teams, because boras is a dick teams that pick at the bottom need to settle for someone that would normally go 15 and or not even get a first round pick on account of a hold out.

BTW boras convinced people beltran was good.

LOL, peter you know nothing about baseball!!!
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Mr. Sunshine
May 15 2005, 04:53 PM
f*ck boras and this stupid ass league, people like him make it impossible for teams to compete even through drafting good talent, because he is not afraid to hold em out. The league cannot allow this kind of crap to continue.

Boras is just doing his job. He should be commended for being able to work so well within the system.

It's baseball's job to make the necessary changes.

This can be remedied by allowing teams to rade picks. If a team with an early pick can't take the best player they should get compensation from a team with a higher pick.
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May 15 2005, 04:58 PM
which is bullsh*t

i know the mets do not have a money problem neither do the yanks so i shouldnt be bitching. Even so top talent should go to the last place teams, because boras is a dick teams that pick at the bottom need to settle for someone that would normally go 15 and or not even get a first round pick on account of a hold out.

BTW boras convinced people beltran was good.

Sunny...come on. You're too smart to be serious with this stuff. If Boras had Enrique Wilson as a client, he could be a smooth talking sumbitch and car salesman persuasive, he wouldn't be able to convince anybody to pay him $100M.

And what is your problem with Beltran? He's overrated, but you talk about the guy as if he's a fringe big leaguer. Someone who should be a 4th or 5th outfielder and somehow got a huge contract. A-Rod is overrated and overpaid and I'd trust Timo (the poster, not the player) more in a clutch AB, but I'm not gonna not acknowledge what he's accomplished and what he's capable of. Beltran can give you .300/35 HR/115 RBI/40 SB + very good defense. It doesn't matter how you slice it or where/when/how those numbers come about, it doesn't suck.
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beltran gives you:

.280/23 HR/90 RBI/18 SB
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May 15 2005, 06:39 PM
beltran gives you:

.280/23 HR/90 RBI/18 SB

Silliness. The guy has driven in 100 runs in every full season he's played. You know that will be followed by #1 on the list of Mr. Sunshine's 3 standard clueless lines:

1. RBI are a team stat and don't matter. Silliness and cluelessness.

2. Carlos Beltran sucks. Silliness and cluelessness.

3. Victor Zambrano is great. Preposterousness and cluelessness.
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May 15 2005, 06:39 PM
beltran gives you:

.280/23 HR/90 RBI/18 SB

Sunshine, you would be somewhat tolerable if you based your opinions on something resembling facts.

Beltran's career averages:

.284/27 homeruns/104 RBI/35 sb

Factor into that these facts:

He's a gold glove caliber OFer.

He's a leader

He's clutch

He plays everyday.
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He's not getting 35 SBs this year.
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May 15 2005, 06:39 PM
beltran gives you:

.280/23 HR/90 RBI/18 SB

I didn't say what he does give (I knew his career average but I wasn't in the mood to average out HRs and RBI), I said that he's capable of those.

And where the hell did you get those numbers from? Is that what you're predicting for him this season? (1) If he gives you those, then its a disappointing season because of the dropoff. He can do much more and has done much more. (2) Even if he does those numbers, they don't suck. The league average average is around .265 and I know the average hitter doesn't hit 23 and drive in 90. Those are still good numbers.

You're my dude, but I think you're being silly with this.
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May 15 2005, 06:50 PM
Mr. Sunshine
May 15 2005, 06:39 PM
beltran gives you:

.280/23 HR/90 RBI/18 SB

Sunshine, you would be somewhat tolerable if you based your opinions on something resembling facts.

Beltran's career averages:

.284/27 homeruns/104 RBI/35 sb

Factor into that these facts:

He's a gold glove caliber OFer.

He's a leader

He's clutch

He plays everyday.

factor this:

shea is horrible for homerun hitters, he will not hit more then 25 i guarantee you

the fact that he is a leader is bad news for us, he will just teach everyone selfishness

he is only slightly above average in terms of range but he does have a good arm, bottom line he doesnt deserve a gold glove and our best centefeilder is playing right.

he is not clutch, the few hits he did have in the clutch either came off of a hanging curve from a 38 year old pitcher throwing his 115th pitch for the first time in at least 3 years or a scrub long reliever.

i told you he wouldnt steal much, because of mike and floyd in back of him and look at his numbers, i was right and the trend will continue, even more so when reyes and matsui start playing.

Matt - yes rbis are a team stat, you could be the best hitter in the league and only have 90 rbis because the guys in front of you dont give you the chance to get them.

beltran is however the luckiest player in the league, he has already established that this year.
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strider is right about not hating the player but rather hating the game

boras is doing everything legally, it is just crazy annoying. MLB needs to change it and fast.
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Guys, it's hopeless.

Whatever Beltran does, he'll just say it was because of luck.

He could win the World Series for the Mets with a walk-off grand slam in the 15th inning and all Sunshine would say is:

"He got lucky on a mistake pitch."
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shea is horrible for homerun hitters, he will not hit more then 25 i guarantee you

Kauffman Field is a home run haven all of a sudden?

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the fact that he is a leader is bad news for us, he will just teach everyone selfishness


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he is not clutch, the few hits he did have in the clutch either came off of a hanging curve from a 38 year old pitcher throwing his 115th pitch for the first time in at least 3 years or a scrub long reliever.

:wtf:

The playoffs last year????

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w/ RISP:

.382 AVG
.450 OBP
.618 SLG
1.068 OPS
2 2B
2 HR
14 RBI
13 H
19 R
In 34 at-bats

w/ Runners on base:

.391 AVG
.449 OBP
.710 SLG
1.159 OPS
4 2B
6 HR
23 RBI
27 H
23 R
In 69 at-bats

w/ Runners on base with 2 outs:

.455 AVG
.556 OBP
.864 SLG
1.419 OPS
3 HR
7 RBI
10 H
9 R
In 22 at-bats

Any questions?

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kauffman field is not a haven but its warm most of the time and its pretty short down the lines. The allies are pretty decent center is pretty deep. Its bigger then shea but balls carry better there.

During the playoffs he did do well, but he did lose, 2 homers were in the first inning, one was an insurance run and the other was pretty clutch.

He got two pretty weak singles in game 7 in 6 plate appearances
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May 15 2005, 07:30 PM
w/ RISP:

.382 AVG
.450 OBP
.618 SLG
1.068 OPS
2 2B
2 HR
14 RBI
13 H
19 R
In 34 at-bats

w/ Runners on base:

.391 AVG
.449 OBP
.710 SLG
1.159 OPS
4 2B
6 HR
23 RBI
27 H
23 R
In 69 at-bats

w/ Runners on base with 2 outs:

.455 AVG
.556 OBP
.864 SLG
1.419 OPS
3 HR
7 RBI
10 H
9 R
In 22 at-bats

Any questions?

yes what was the score?

who was the pitcher?

When RISP did he get them home on every hit or did he get a cheap infield single?
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During the playoffs he did do well, but he did lose,


He wasn't expected to singlehandedly win the series. There were other guys on the team that had to perform too.
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May 15 2005, 07:32 PM
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May 15 2005, 07:30 PM
w/ RISP:

.382 AVG
.450 OBP
.618 SLG
1.068 OPS
2 2B
2 HR
14 RBI
13 H
19 R
In 34 at-bats

w/ Runners on base:

.391 AVG
.449 OBP
.710 SLG
1.159 OPS
4 2B
6 HR
23 RBI
27 H
23 R
In 69 at-bats

w/ Runners on base with 2 outs:

.455 AVG
.556 OBP
.864 SLG
1.419 OPS
3 HR
7 RBI
10 H
9 R
In 22 at-bats

Any questions?

yes what was the score?

who was the pitcher?

When RISP did he get them home on every hit or did he get a cheap infield single?

WHO THE f*ck CARES HOW HE GOT THEM!!!!!!
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May 15 2005, 07:33 PM
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May 15 2005, 07:32 PM
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May 15 2005, 07:30 PM
w/ RISP:

.382 AVG
.450 OBP
.618 SLG
1.068 OPS
2 2B
2 HR
14 RBI
13 H
19 R
In 34 at-bats

w/ Runners on base:

.391 AVG
.449 OBP
.710 SLG
1.159 OPS
4 2B
6 HR
23 RBI
27 H
23 R
In 69 at-bats

w/ Runners on base with 2 outs:

.455 AVG
.556 OBP
.864 SLG
1.419 OPS
3 HR
7 RBI
10 H
9 R
In 22 at-bats

Any questions?

yes what was the score?

who was the pitcher?

When RISP did he get them home on every hit or did he get a cheap infield single?

WHO THE f*ck CARES HOW HE GOT THEM!!!!!!

i care who the f*ck cares if he got a single with a man on second in a 5 - 0 deficit
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May 15 2005, 07:34 PM
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May 15 2005, 07:33 PM
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May 15 2005, 07:32 PM
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May 15 2005, 07:30 PM
w/ RISP:

.382 AVG
.450 OBP
.618 SLG
1.068 OPS
2 2B
2 HR
14 RBI
13 H
19 R
In 34 at-bats

w/ Runners on base:

.391 AVG
.449 OBP
.710 SLG
1.159 OPS
4 2B
6 HR
23 RBI
27 H
23 R
In 69 at-bats

w/ Runners on base with 2 outs:

.455 AVG
.556 OBP
.864 SLG
1.419 OPS
3 HR
7 RBI
10 H
9 R
In 22 at-bats

Any questions?

yes what was the score?

who was the pitcher?

When RISP did he get them home on every hit or did he get a cheap infield single?

WHO THE f*ck CARES HOW HE GOT THEM!!!!!!

i care who the f*ck cares if he got a single with a man on second in a 5 - 0 deficit

Wow. Ok, whatever. I can't believe you.
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im serious, where the f*ck was mister clutch in the 9th inning yesterday he had a RISP? what did he do? he choked, he got a hanger and flyed out lazly.
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May 15 2005, 07:36 PM
im serious, where the f*ck was mister clutch in the 9th inning yesterday he had a RISP? what did he do? he choked, he got a hanger and flyed out lazly.

He's not Superman.

I don't expect him to come up big in every single at-bat.
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May 15 2005, 07:32 PM
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May 15 2005, 07:30 PM
w/ RISP:

.382 AVG
.450 OBP
.618 SLG
1.068 OPS
2 2B
2 HR
14 RBI
13 H
19 R
In 34 at-bats

w/ Runners on base:

.391 AVG
.449 OBP
.710 SLG
1.159 OPS
4 2B
6 HR
23 RBI
27 H
23 R
In 69 at-bats

w/ Runners on base with 2 outs:

.455 AVG
.556 OBP
.864 SLG
1.419 OPS
3 HR
7 RBI
10 H
9 R
In 22 at-bats

Any questions?

yes what was the score?

who was the pitcher?

When RISP did he get them home on every hit or did he get a cheap infield single?

Pete, you could ask the same questions about any hitter. If they did a breakdown on Pujols or Bonds, would you still be on that?
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May 15 2005, 07:39 PM
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May 15 2005, 07:32 PM
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May 15 2005, 07:30 PM
w/ RISP:

.382 AVG
.450 OBP
.618 SLG
1.068 OPS
2 2B
2 HR
14 RBI
13 H
19 R
In 34 at-bats

w/ Runners on base:

.391 AVG
.449 OBP
.710 SLG
1.159 OPS
4 2B
6 HR
23 RBI
27 H
23 R
In 69 at-bats

w/ Runners on base with 2 outs:

.455 AVG
.556 OBP
.864 SLG
1.419 OPS
3 HR
7 RBI
10 H
9 R
In 22 at-bats

Any questions?

yes what was the score?

who was the pitcher?

When RISP did he get them home on every hit or did he get a cheap infield single?

Pete, you could ask the same questions about any hitter. If they did a breakdown on Pujols or Bonds, would you still be on that?

Exactly.
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May 15 2005, 07:39 PM
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May 15 2005, 07:32 PM
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May 15 2005, 07:30 PM
w/ RISP:

.382 AVG
.450 OBP
.618 SLG
1.068 OPS
2 2B
2 HR
14 RBI
13 H
19 R
In 34 at-bats

w/ Runners on base:

.391 AVG
.449 OBP
.710 SLG
1.159 OPS
4 2B
6 HR
23 RBI
27 H
23 R
In 69 at-bats

w/ Runners on base with 2 outs:

.455 AVG
.556 OBP
.864 SLG
1.419 OPS
3 HR
7 RBI
10 H
9 R
In 22 at-bats

Any questions?

yes what was the score?

who was the pitcher?

When RISP did he get them home on every hit or did he get a cheap infield single?

Pete, you could ask the same questions about any hitter. If they did a breakdown on Pujols or Bonds, would you still be on that?

no because they ARE clutch, teams are genuinly scared of them and they are clutch as hell. Stats do lie sometimes, and beltran is one of those players who gets empty stats.
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I want to go back to sometihng you said before.

How is he selfish?
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Unless Willie stops Beltran from running I expect him to pick up the stolen base attempts. Floyd has cooled off, and Beltran will see that Floyd is basically a streak hitter and Beltran should have seen by now the Piazza is washed up. What is Piazza hitting 210 or 220? When Piazza starts to wear down later in the season will he be below the Mendoza line.
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