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Where Mo went wrong
Topic Started: Apr 5 2005, 10:52 PM (138 Views)
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Instead of taking the offseason off he should have been working on a changeup. Even if it's a crappy one it would be enough to get the Sox hitters off balence. The Sox and only the Sox have cracked Mo's code and it's time for him to change the combination.
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Apr 5 2005, 10:55 PM
Preach!

Remember at the beginning of the 2001 season Mo added that 2 seamer. He threw it sparingly and only threw it to righthanders that hit him. He needs to do that now. He needs one of those back poket pitches he can throw when needed. Mo's stuff is still there but when you have Sox hitter that have faced him 15-20+ times, it's tough to fool guys. Mo's gotta hit the books and find a new formula.
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It's long,long overdue that Mo comes up with a Nasty Split - Even the Rocket realized he couldn't live off his 1 and his slider, he ditched the slider and amped up his split and won back 2 back Cy Youngs in Toronto.
In fact, you can make the case that Mo's lack of repitoire is pure ignorance. I blame Mel and Billy ( Get that Salad outta here) Connors, aka Yankee Pitching Guru. :-|
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Great posts BC, as usual, you're absolutely correct. Time for Mo to go back to the drawing board and figure out a way to take care of the Red Sox. I think that how he performs against them could again be something that makes or breaks our season.
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Apr 5 2005, 10:58 PM
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Preach!

Remember at the beginning of the 2001 season Mo added that 2 seamer. He threw it sparingly and only threw it to righthanders that hit him. He needs to do that now. He needs one of those back poket pitches he can throw when needed. Mo's stuff is still there but when you have Sox hitter that have faced him 15-20+ times, it's tough to fool guys. Mo's gotta hit the books and find a new formula.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Just the Sox- that's the only time I worry about Mo now. :no1:
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Apr 5 2005, 10:01 PM
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Apr 5 2005, 10:55 PM
Preach!

Remember at the beginning of the 2001 season Mo added that 2 seamer. He threw it sparingly and only threw it to righthanders that hit him. He needs to do that now. He needs one of those back poket pitches he can throw when needed. Mo's stuff is still there but when you have Sox hitter that have faced him 15-20+ times, it's tough to fool guys. Mo's gotta hit the books and find a new formula.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Just the Sox- that's the only time I worry about Mo now. :no1:

I'm not crazy about him facing Seattle or Texas either.
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Preach!

Remember at the beginning of the 2001 season Mo added that 2 seamer. He threw it sparingly and only threw it to righthanders that hit him. He needs to do that now. He needs one of those back poket pitches he can throw when needed. Mo's stuff is still there but when you have Sox hitter that have faced him 15-20+ times, it's tough to fool guys. Mo's gotta hit the books and find a new formula.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Just the Sox- that's the only time I worry about Mo now. :no1:

I'm not crazy about him facing Seattle or Texas either.

Seattle or Texas aren't going to be standing in the Yankees way of going to the WS.
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Apr 5 2005, 10:01 PM
Great posts BC, as usual, you're absolutely correct. Time for Mo to go back to the drawing board and figure out a way to take care of the Red Sox. I think that how he performs against them could again be something that makes or breaks our season.

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The BoSux lefties were sitting on that inside cutter, why does Jorge keep calling for that pitch time after time w/ these guys when anyone watching the game on tv can see that there just waiting for it.
Learning a splitty wouldn't hurt, but he got to be careful not to hurt his arm throwing a pitch he hasn't mastered.
Mo has got to throw some sweet chin music to the BoSux lefties, that would work wonders, somebody has got to grow a pair on this staff.
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If there is a pitcher on this team who would go after somebody, I'd say it'd be RJ. But, everybody's been saying for a while that the pitchers on this team need to grow a pair. I just don't see it happening. Fatass Ortiz should've been backed off the plate sometme this series, and it hasn't happened and with Mussina going tomorrow you KNOW it won't be happening then.
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Apr 5 2005, 10:58 PM
If there is a pitcher on this team who would go after somebody, I'd say it'd be RJ.  But, everybody's been saying for a while that the pitchers on this team need to grow a pair.  I just don't see it happening.  Fatass Ortiz should've been backed off the plate sometme this series, and it hasn't happened and with Mussina going tomorrow you KNOW it won't be happening then.

i'm sad to say it, but this team needs a pedro, take no crap, type. pedro wouldn't tolerate ortiz leaning out over the plate. then again, i think pedro is friends with ortiz and manny and probably wouldn't give them what they deserve. don't forget. manny's stance lunges over the plate. he deserves a high hard one just like ortiz. but you get the point. we need a pedro type, that wouldn't put up with being owned.

on edit, did pedro ever brush back enrique wilson? weird as it was, wilson had good stats off him. if i was pedro, i'd have been upset about a crap hitter like wilson owning me and nailed his ass, but i know they are friends.
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If there is a pitcher on this team who would go after somebody, I'd say it'd be RJ.  But, everybody's been saying for a while that the pitchers on this team need to grow a pair.  I just don't see it happening.  Fatass Ortiz should've been backed off the plate sometme this series, and it hasn't happened and with Mussina going tomorrow you KNOW it won't be happening then.

i'm sad to say it, but this team needs a pedro, take no crap, type. pedro wouldn't tolerate ortiz leaning out over the plate. then again, i think pedro is friends with ortiz and manny and probably wouldn't give them what they deserve. don't forget. manny's stance lunges over the plate. he deserves a high hard one just like ortiz. but you get the point. we need a pedro type, that wouldn't put up with being owned.

on edit, did pedro ever brush back enrique wilson? weird as it was, wilson had good stats off him. if i was pedro, i'd have been upset about a crap hitter like wilson owning me and nailed his ass, but i know they are friends.

The reason none of that happens is because we have a soft coach. Giambi has been hit 3 times already this series and Jeter take yet another one on the hands today. This sh*t is out of control and needs to stop. 2 games into the season and we owe them 4 hit batters already. :no1:
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Definitely. RJ seems like that type of pitcher to me, that's why I was disappointed he didn't back anybody up on Sunday night.
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Apr 6 2005, 12:07 AM
Definitely. RJ seems like that type of pitcher to me, that's why I was disappointed he didn't back anybody up on Sunday night.

I think that will happen as the season goes on. It was his first start facing that lineup. I'm sure he was watching Ortiz hanging all over the plate today. I'd bet the next time he faces the Sox Ortiz see's a little chin music.

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If there is a pitcher on this team who would go after somebody, I'd say it'd be RJ.  But, everybody's been saying for a while that the pitchers on this team need to grow a pair.  I just don't see it happening.  Fatass Ortiz should've been backed off the plate sometme this series, and it hasn't happened and with Mussina going tomorrow you KNOW it won't be happening then.

i'm sad to say it, but this team needs a pedro, take no crap, type. pedro wouldn't tolerate ortiz leaning out over the plate. then again, i think pedro is friends with ortiz and manny and probably wouldn't give them what they deserve. don't forget. manny's stance lunges over the plate. he deserves a high hard one just like ortiz. but you get the point. we need a pedro type, that wouldn't put up with being owned.

on edit, did pedro ever brush back enrique wilson? weird as it was, wilson had good stats off him. if i was pedro, i'd have been upset about a crap hitter like wilson owning me and nailed his ass, but i know they are friends.

The reason none of that happens is because we have a soft coach. Giambi has been hit 3 times already this series and Jeter take yet another one on the hands today. This sh*t is out of control and needs to stop. 2 games into the season and we owe them 4 hit batters already. :no1:

It really is f*cking ridiculous. And Joe will use the weather or whatever bullsh*t excuse he can for why Giambi was hit. Bottomline, he got nailed twice, somebody on the Sox should've been brushed back. They didn't retaliate, which is not accpetable. Even more unacceptable is that after Giambi got hit again today and Jeter took one, nobody did anything. So you're damn right, we owe them 4 batters, but it's going to have to wait with Mike Mussina pitching tomorrow.
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Definitely.  RJ seems like that type of pitcher to me, that's why I was disappointed he didn't back anybody up on Sunday night.

I think that will happen as the season goes on. It was his first start facing that lineup. I'm sure he was watching Ortiz hanging all over the plate today. I'd bet the next time he faces the Sox Ortiz see's a little chin music.

Yeah, I'll give him a pass because it was his first start for us, and he did do a great job regardless.
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Now that i think about it, Sturtze has the balls to throw at someone. These guys need to stick up for themselves and say enough is enough. f*ck Torre...just throw one right at Ortiz. Joe will get over it.
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Apr 5 2005, 11:07 PM
Definitely. RJ seems like that type of pitcher to me, that's why I was disappointed he didn't back anybody up on Sunday night.

my opinion on that is rj shouldn't need to back anyone off with his stuff. his stuff will naturally back guys off when he's going well.

my bigger problem is with the guys that aren't anywhere near rj caliber dominance, and let david ortiz camp out on top of the plate and do nothing. pavano needs to back his ass off. ortiz has hit 2 400 ft shots off him in the last 4 abs i've seen, remember the all star game. also, moose throws high 80s. that kind of stuff will make a hitter very comfortable if you don't give some brushbacks. none of our bullpen has truly dynamic stuff either where they can just blow away guys. they all need to establish themselves and brushing back the team that is the champions of crowding the plate, the red sox, would be a nice start. do you notice a single red sock that doesn't crowd the plate? even bill mueller and mark bellhorn are on top of it.
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Now that i think about it, Sturtze has the balls to throw at someone. These guys need to stick up for themselves and say enough is enough. f*ck Torre...just throw one right at Ortiz. Joe will get over it.

Yup, and if anything, Clueless Joe will only slap a fine on the guys. Big f*cking deal I say. Time to tune him out.
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Definitely.  RJ seems like that type of pitcher to me, that's why I was disappointed he didn't back anybody up on Sunday night.

my opinion on that is rj shouldn't need to back anyone off with his stuff. his stuff will naturally back guys off when he's going well.

my bigger problem is with the guys that aren't anywhere near rj caliber dominance, and let david ortiz camp out on top of the plate and do nothing. pavano needs to back his ass off. ortiz has hit 2 400 ft shots off him in the last 4 abs i've seen, remember the all star game. also, moose throws high 80s. that kind of stuff will make a hitter very comfortable if you don't give some brushbacks. none of our bullpen has truly dynamic stuff either where they can just blow away guys. they all need to establish themselves and brushing back the team that is the champions of crowding the plate, the red sox, would be a nice start. do you notice a single red sock that doesn't crowd the plate? even bill mueller and mark bellhorn are on top of it.

Well my thinking is that RJ, as the ace of the staff, could lead by example. If these younger guys see RJ coming in on some of these guys maybe they'll follow suit. I know RJ, shouldn't need to do it, but sometimes it takes a guy like him to do something to get the other guys to do what they should be doing on their own. Also, you are correct, The Unit is an overpowering pitcher, but even with his slider, if fatass Ortiz is standing on top of the damn plate he can reach out and poke one in to left. So it wouldn't hurt to brush him back.
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Definitely.  RJ seems like that type of pitcher to me, that's why I was disappointed he didn't back anybody up on Sunday night.

my opinion on that is rj shouldn't need to back anyone off with his stuff. his stuff will naturally back guys off when he's going well.

my bigger problem is with the guys that aren't anywhere near rj caliber dominance, and let david ortiz camp out on top of the plate and do nothing. pavano needs to back his ass off. ortiz has hit 2 400 ft shots off him in the last 4 abs i've seen, remember the all star game. also, moose throws high 80s. that kind of stuff will make a hitter very comfortable if you don't give some brushbacks. none of our bullpen has truly dynamic stuff either where they can just blow away guys. they all need to establish themselves and brushing back the team that is the champions of crowding the plate, the red sox, would be a nice start. do you notice a single red sock that doesn't crowd the plate? even bill mueller and mark bellhorn are on top of it.

Well my thinking is that RJ, as the ace of the staff, could lead by example. If these younger guys see RJ coming in on some of these guys maybe they'll follow suit. I know RJ, shouldn't need to do it, but sometimes it takes a guy like him to do something to get the other guys to do what they should be doing on their own. Also, you are correct, The Unit is an overpowering pitcher, but even with his slider, if fatass Ortiz is standing on top of the damn plate he can reach out and poke one in to left. So it wouldn't hurt to brush him back.

you're right. what i meant was his slider has so much natural break, it'll brush off righthanded batters naturally as it tails into them. ortiz really crowded the plate and was able to defend every pitch. he could use a high and tight fastball from rj to get him from covering the outside spot.
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Definitely.  RJ seems like that type of pitcher to me, that's why I was disappointed he didn't back anybody up on Sunday night.

my opinion on that is rj shouldn't need to back anyone off with his stuff. his stuff will naturally back guys off when he's going well.

my bigger problem is with the guys that aren't anywhere near rj caliber dominance, and let david ortiz camp out on top of the plate and do nothing. pavano needs to back his ass off. ortiz has hit 2 400 ft shots off him in the last 4 abs i've seen, remember the all star game. also, moose throws high 80s. that kind of stuff will make a hitter very comfortable if you don't give some brushbacks. none of our bullpen has truly dynamic stuff either where they can just blow away guys. they all need to establish themselves and brushing back the team that is the champions of crowding the plate, the red sox, would be a nice start. do you notice a single red sock that doesn't crowd the plate? even bill mueller and mark bellhorn are on top of it.

Well my thinking is that RJ, as the ace of the staff, could lead by example. If these younger guys see RJ coming in on some of these guys maybe they'll follow suit. I know RJ, shouldn't need to do it, but sometimes it takes a guy like him to do something to get the other guys to do what they should be doing on their own. Also, you are correct, The Unit is an overpowering pitcher, but even with his slider, if fatass Ortiz is standing on top of the damn plate he can reach out and poke one in to left. So it wouldn't hurt to brush him back.

Took the words right out of my mouth.
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Now that i think about it, Sturtze has the balls to throw at someone. These guys need to stick up for themselves and say enough is enough. f*ck Torre...just throw one right at Ortiz. Joe will get over it.

Yup, and if anything, Clueless Joe will only slap a fine on the guys. Big f*cking deal I say. Time to tune him out.

"Suzyn, ehh...we're not trying to get caught up in all this...uhh, other stuff. I mean, we're just here to play baseball."

^ That's the battle cry.

Maybe its because he grew up in an abusive home. All them childhood beatings got him soft and scurred off drama.
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