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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 5 2005, 05:18 PM (304 Views) | |
| Strider | Apr 5 2005, 05:18 PM Post #1 |
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But because of the 4 championships, he's got Torre status. You know what its like? Like an abused wife who stays with her husband because "He used to be good to me....he bought me a fur coat for our anniversary three years ago...he used to take me places and be romantic...he used to say the sweetest things." You know I'm not an idiot (most of you). I'm not here saying, "Screw that bum. Move his ass to long relief and trade for Mike Williams." If I'm not saying that, then what the hell am I complaining about? You people. You people who refuse to hop off that penis and admit that he's no longer "money". The game ain't over when he's in; especially against the Bean Boys. I don't hate the guy. Nobody wants to fail and I'm sure it bothers him more than anyone that he can't come through. Not saying he isn't still one of the best. Not discounting what he's done in the past. But pull your heads up for a minute and catch your breath. Hop off. |
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| cmnyy | Apr 5 2005, 05:21 PM Post #2 |
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Strider - he might not be in a class by himself anymore, but as you said, he's still one of the best, and that's fine by me. |
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| Strider | Apr 5 2005, 05:42 PM Post #3 |
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The thing I have a problem with is fans just turning a blind eye, putting their hands over their ears and screaming, "LAA-LAA-LAA-LAA. I can't here you. LAA-LAA-LAA!" And I'm listening to Michael Kay right now and he's getting the same sh*t. He said that it should be a concern that Mariano has struggled against the Sox since 2001 because most likely, they're who we're gonna have to go through for the World Series. <- True. The fans are calling in on that, "C'mon! We won the game. Jeter hit a walkoff. We all know what Mariano can do. He'll figure out something. There's nothing to worry about." People like that drive me nuts. The guy has blown 10 of his last 29 saves against them and this dates back 3+ seasons. He hasn't figured something out yet. And its not as if he's 23 years old. He is what he is. "Cutter Man". He's gonna develop a changeup and splitter on the fly? And it bothers me that I'm one of only a few people that's bothered. The fans annoyed me more than the HR. |
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| yankeefanforever | Apr 5 2005, 05:46 PM Post #4 |
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If the sox keep hitting the cutter, give them the two seamer on the outside of the plate. Let it run away from the lefties. He got 1-2 with good cutters, fine, now throw a two seamer on the outside. |
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| Yanksfan03 | Apr 5 2005, 06:30 PM Post #5 |
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He sucks against the Red Sox, it's total bullsh*t. |
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| Zidanman | Apr 5 2005, 07:05 PM Post #6 |
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i was half=joking that this team needs to do a lot of research and find an obtainable relief pitcher that matches up very favorably against the red sox career wise, and can get their asses out. make that person the substitute closer against the red sox, and have rivera coming in less pressured spots. rivera is done shutting down beantown, and most everyone knows it. |
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| Strider | Apr 5 2005, 07:14 PM Post #7 |
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That's where you're wrong. And that's the problem. |
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| Yanksfan03 | Apr 5 2005, 07:15 PM Post #8 |
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You and I are the only two calling him out on this crap. :no1: |
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| Yanks212 | Apr 5 2005, 07:22 PM Post #9 |
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Ok, I just got back from the game. I don't want to sh*t on a win over the Sox but I have to agree with Strider here. I was sitting about 3 rows back from the plate and every pitch Mo threw was a cutter. EVERY ONE! He HAS TO start mixing up his pitches against this team. They all now it's coming and they sit back and crush them. I thought for sure Damon gave the Sox the lead with his deep drive to right. The Sox are way to good of a hitting team and see Mo way to much to just keep throwing cutters at them. I'm starting to always get a sick feeling when Mo pitches against the Sox. Not any other team- just the Sox. The team we will most likely have to beat to get to the WS. I love Mo, he's my boy and will be till the day he retires. I'll never forget what he's done for this team. But he's starting to scare the sh*t out of me when it comes to the Sox. Pavano deserved to win this game today. All in all it was a great afternoon and it's always a great day when the Yanks beat the Sox. |
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| ES03 | Apr 5 2005, 07:22 PM Post #10 |
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I think Rivera just needs to mix it up more between outside and inside pitching to lefties...if you notice, same situation everytime he goes inside, except he doesn't have as dominant of an effect on his cutter anymore, that hitters are being able to pull it and get good wood on it. I think they need to have him start painting the outside corner to lefties and mix it up, make them guess more on a 2 strike count. |
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| Zidanman | Apr 5 2005, 07:24 PM Post #11 |
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ok, well at least, me, you, and yankfan knows it. |
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| Yanksfan03 | Apr 5 2005, 07:27 PM Post #12 |
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Well listening to Mo on ESPN, he feels he doesn't have to make adjustments against them. It just doesn't sound good when he says that. He better get his sh*t together, against Boston, or like I said... It won't matter if we have RJ or not. |
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| ES03 | Apr 5 2005, 07:29 PM Post #13 |
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he NEEDS to make adjustments. Every pitcher needs to make adjustements as they get older. |
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| Zidanman | Apr 5 2005, 07:29 PM Post #14 |
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a friend of mine was saying to use rj as the closer. dumb ass. we need rivera doing what he gets paid to do, and that's close out games, whether it be the devil rays or the red sox |
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| Yanksfan03 | Apr 5 2005, 07:36 PM Post #15 |
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And you're friend was just joking right? I hope. |
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| Zidanman | Apr 5 2005, 07:37 PM Post #16 |
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no, he's a bit slow when it comes to baseball. he thinks rj should close on all the days he doesn't start in the playoffs. yeah, that's an effective idea. :rolleyes: |
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| Yanksfan03 | Apr 5 2005, 07:39 PM Post #17 |
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Well, it's a good thing he's not the manager then. Though I'm sure he wouldn't be wrose than Clueless Joe. |
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| Mantlemurcer | Apr 5 2005, 08:54 PM Post #18 |
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The Sox have made adjustments to Mo. Now it's time for Mo to make some adjustments of his own. And I hate to agree with Kaat, but Mo should be knocking some of these guys off the plate. |
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| Yanksfan03 | Apr 5 2005, 09:05 PM Post #19 |
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Well, Mo isn't the only one who needs to start doing that. I'm sick of Ortiz sitting on pitches from anybody we throw out there. Time to back his fatass off the plate for sure. It's well overdue. |
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| Zidanman | Apr 5 2005, 09:10 PM Post #20 |
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you know how boston would react though. they'd nail two of our guys, since they always feel like the victims no matter what happens. remember clemens brushing back millar with high heat. the next day, pedro drills soriano and jeter and hurts them both. when a pitch from contreras got away and was over ortiz's head in game 2 of 2003's alcs, arroyo beans soriano in the back the next inning and pedro follows with an intentional throw at garcia's head in game 3. we need to establish a zero tolerance policy on boston's antics though. |
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| Yanksfan03 | Apr 5 2005, 09:13 PM Post #21 |
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Good, we brush back Ortiz, they hit two of our guys then we hit 4 of theirs. problem solved. It is beyond ridiculous that you know EVERY time we play them, that our guys will get hit and Ortiz will hit 80 home runs and drive in 1,000 runs against us and we won't do sh*t about it. |
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| Zidanman | Apr 5 2005, 09:16 PM Post #22 |
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you are definitely right. i said in the game thread, it's pretty sad when you know an opposing player is going to homer off your pitcher, ortiz. also, ramirez will most likely hr tomorrow, since it ain't a true boston series without both ramirez and ortiz getting in the act together. even the best players, hit about 40 hrs. that's once every 4 games. against us, ortiz and ramirez have to average much more than that. |
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| Mattingly23 | Apr 5 2005, 09:23 PM Post #23 |
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Agreed. He's in his 10th year and is still a top 5 closer, but no longer invincible (mostly against the Red Sox). I will stay on his dick for that reason. Show me another closer who was unbeatable for 10+ years and I will get on their dick too. By the way, I acknowledge he has struggled against Boston in recent years, but lets not just forget what he did in the 2003 ALCS against them. You treat sports like a video game where you can just trade for the best guy at every position if they struggle after years of dominance. |
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| Zidanman | Apr 5 2005, 09:26 PM Post #24 |
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the yankees organization can almost operate that way, so having that attitude is somewhat understandable. i think the major issue is that rivera can't close against boston. people are scared about that and rightfully so. personally, i wish we could be a video game and add billy wagner or someone to try closing against boston. the comeback moments of bostons versus rivera are getting ridiculous. ramirez hit up the middle, ramirez hr to right, hillenbrand hr to left, mueller single to center, mueller hr, varitek hr, trot nixon hr. these are just off the top of my head, and i'm forgetting some. |
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| Strider | Apr 5 2005, 09:36 PM Post #25 |
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People have been sitting on the cutter since yo mama's mama was cracking "yo mama" jokes. Remember Bill Selby (spelling)? If not, then I don't blame you. I don't know if that mother f*cker has played another big league game since. I've been saying that Mariano needs to make adjustments and maybe add another pitch or two since 2001. He blew 7 or 8 saves that year and despite the 50+ that he had, he struggled during some stretches. He probably will be hesitant to change because (as I said), he's not 23 years old. He's 36 and has had a lot of success doing it his way. That's one of those athlete things. "I wing fo' ring wee di cohder. Joo ming too tay me da my peesh, e no good no more?" As for brushing azzholes back and revenge and yada - that sh*t will never happen. Do you know who manages this team? Even El Capitan is soft. Sometimes, "We're just here to play baseball" doesn't work but they're always on that sh*t. I'm tired of saying that the Red Sox/Yankees ratio of HBP looks like the longshot's odds in a horse racing match.
Jason, did you read my posts? Get back to me when you have. btw - That reminds me that I have to trade Tiki for a draft pick in my Madden franchise. He ran for 1,700 yards but I need a real superstar. |
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| Venom | Apr 5 2005, 09:39 PM Post #26 |
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Mel said during ST that Mariano has been working on a changeup and will start using it this year. Well, where was it?? All he throws is that cutter inside to the Sox thinking that it's 1999 and that they are going to be overmatched, somebody has to tell him that these guys are too good, they see him 9 or 10 times a year, and he's not untouchable anymore! |
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| Mattingly23 | Apr 5 2005, 09:44 PM Post #27 |
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When did I give you my name? Should I call you Big Poppa or do you have a real one? |
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| Ray | Apr 5 2005, 09:45 PM Post #28 |
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Strider has sauces. |
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| Strider | Apr 5 2005, 09:45 PM Post #29 |
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He's been experimenting with a change since 2003. I remember reading in ST that year about Giambi crushing a homerun off him then Mariano said that he was messing around with a changeup. He probably doesn't have confidence in it. That and what I said in my last post. He's pushing 40 and has had a Hall of Fame career doing it his way. That's like telling Sinatra (when he was around), "Ya gotta change it up and do barbershop quartet." Its that stubborn confidence that athletes have. Especially the ones who have a resume to back it up. |
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| Strider | Apr 5 2005, 09:47 PM Post #30 |
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You didn't have to tell me. I thought you already knew that I know everything. My name is Jeremiah Archibald. Did you read my posts? |
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