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Joe Torre's mistakes
Topic Started: Apr 3 2005, 01:06 PM (229 Views)
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SS Derek Jeter
3B Alex Rodriguez
RF Gary Sheffield
DH Sierra
LF Hideki Matsui
C Jorge Posada
1B Giambi
CF Bernie Williams
2B Tony Womack


We've got $441M hitting first and second. I know A-Rod got into a groove last season hitting second (it was coincidental, but don't tell that to anyone), but he's not supposed to hit second. They all point to having Sheff behind him as the reason for the hot streak; fine, A-Rod 3rd and Sheff cleans up.

I don't know what the hell he's doing with Ruben batting cleanup. Yes, he'll be hitting righty against a left handed curveball pitcher and his long swing + 70 mph curve + connection = damage. But c'mon.

I haven't looked at the numbers, but it seems as if Bernie Williams has been better hitting right handed the last couple seasons. I'd trust him against a lefty more than I would Jason Giambi. For today (just for today), I'd actually have him in the 2 hole.

4/3/05 lineup

SS - Derek Jeter
CF - Bernie Williams
3B - Alex Rodriguez
RF - Gary Sheffield
LF - Hideki Matsui
DH - Ruben Sierra
C - Jorge Posada
1B - Jason Giambi
2B - Tony Womack
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Hopefully, Ruben will batting 4th for only one game. I really want to see Giambi how Giambi does defensively and offensively.

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We've got $441M hitting first and second. I know A-Rod got into a groove last season hitting second (it was coincidental, but don't tell that to anyone), but he's not supposed to hit second. They all point to having Sheff behind him as the reason for the hot streak; fine, A-Rod 3rd and Sheff cleans up.


I agree, Strider, A-Rod should be batting 3rd and Sheff bats 4th. Hopefully, RJ will give Ortiz "sweet chin music" early.
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I don't mind Sierra there for one game. He hits Wells real well. He'll be back on the bench Tuesday.

I don't like A-Rod hitting 2nd either but it's out of my control.
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this would be my lineup against wells at least

jeter - ss
arod - 3b
rube - dh
sheff- rf
matsui - lf
posada - c
giambi 1b
bernie - cf
womack - 2b

and on normal days

womack - 2b
jeter - ss
arod - 3rd
matsui - lf
sheff - rf
giambi - dh
posada - c
tino - 1st
bernie - cf
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jeter - ss
arod - 3b
rube - dh
sheff- rf
matsui - lf
posada - c
giambi 1b
bernie - cf
womack - 2b


Why are you batting Rube 3rd?

My lineup tonight would be:
SS- Jeter
CF- Bernie (He may not have the speed to steal a base but can take walks.)
3B- A-Rod
RF- Sheff
LF- Matsui
DH- Sierra
1B- Giambi
C- Posada
2B- Womack

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womack - 2b
jeter - ss
arod - 3rd
matsui - lf
sheff - rf
giambi - dh
posada - c
tino - 1st
bernie - cf


Bernie should bat higher than 9th.
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Apr 3 2005, 12:43 PM
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jeter - ss
arod - 3b
rube - dh
sheff- rf
matsui - lf
posada - c
giambi 1b
bernie - cf
womack - 2b


Why are you batting Rube 3rd?

My lineup tonight would be:
SS- Jeter
CF- Bernie (He may not have the speed to steal a base but can take walks.)
3B- A-Rod
RF- Sheff
LF- Matsui
DH- Sierra
1B- Giambi
C- Posada
2B- Womack

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womack - 2b
jeter - ss
arod - 3rd
matsui - lf
sheff - rf
giambi - dh
posada - c
tino - 1st
bernie - cf


Bernie should bat higher than 9th.

Ok no lower than nine and no higher than 8. Thats where he belongs
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I would leadoff Womack and bat Bernie 9th. Not today, against a lefty it may be better for Tony to hit 9th, but on most days I would lead him off, at least try it Torre!
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Why was this thread unpinned? That was disrespectful.

I bet it was Rob. I know you hate me. :annoyed:
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Did we really need Gordon tonight? After all the talk of how he and Rivera were overworked, I didn't expect to see him in the 9th with a 7 run lead.

It didn't matter today and they've got tomorrow off, but it was a mistake by Torre. An unneccessary appearance. Quantrill would have made your pubic hair stand up, but Felix Heredia or Karsay could have come in.
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Torre Total - 2
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Apr 4 2005, 12:46 AM
Did we really need Gordon tonight? After all the talk of how he and Rivera were overworked, I didn't expect to see him in the 9th with a 7 run lead.

It didn't matter today and they've got tomorrow off, but it was a mistake by Torre. An unneccessary appearance. Quantrill would have made your pubic hair stand up, but Felix Heredia or Karsay could have come in.
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Torre Total - 2

If he doesn the same exact thing with Gordon on Tuesday then you have a legit gripe.
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Apr 4 2005, 07:46 AM
Felix Heredia or Karsay could have come in.

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Apr 4 2005, 08:50 AM
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Apr 4 2005, 07:46 AM
Felix Heredia or Karsay could have come in.

:-|

Well, they're both Wesley Snipes shaded and named "Felix". Its easy to mix them up. Although, if Heredia were still here, I'd rather have seen him out there than Gordon. ALL the talk about "overworked....overused...rest...too many appearances" and we use Gordon in a blowout in the first game.

Quit busting my balls like you don't agree. Pssshhh! :please:
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I do agree, I said it myself in the game chat.
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I think it was a psychological thing to get him right back in there against the Sox and in a case where there wasn't as much pressure.
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Apr 4 2005, 11:38 AM
I think it was a psychological thing to get him right back in there against the Sox and in a case where there wasn't as much pressure.

:sunshine:


It was stupid any way you slice it. Gordon should only pitch in close games, Period. Unless he hasn't pitched in a long time. Last night was a good time to get F-Rod in his first game and get the jitters out. Or give Karsay an inning.

Who warmed up as soon as Gordon got in trouble? Quantrill. Torre's doing the same stupid bullsh*t he did last year using Gordon and Quantrill like water. He needs a lesson in how to use this bullpen.
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Apr 4 2005, 11:38 AM
I think it was a psychological thing to get him right back in there against the Sox and in a case where there wasn't as much pressure.

Yet Gordon still pitched like a soft L. It doesn't matter when you pitch this loser against Boston, they will always hit well against him. :thumbdown:
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Apr 4 2005, 10:45 AM
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Apr 4 2005, 11:38 AM
I think it was a psychological thing to get him right back in there against the Sox and in a case where there wasn't as much pressure.

:sunshine:


It was stupid any way you slice it. Gordon should only pitch in close games, Period. Unless he hasn't pitched in a long time. Last night was a good time to get F-Rod in his first game and get the jitters out. Or give Karsay an inning.

Who warmed up as soon as Gordon got in trouble? Quantrill. Torre's doing the same stupid bullsh*t he did last year using Gordon and Quantrill like water. He needs a lesson in how to use this bullpen.

You can blow that sunshine up your ass.
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Apr 4 2005, 11:45 AM
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I think it was a psychological thing to get him right back in there against the Sox and in a case where there wasn't as much pressure.

Yet Gordon still pitched like a soft L. It doesn't matter when you pitch this loser against Boston, they will always hit well against him. :thumbdown:

Get your facts straight. He was great against the Sox last season.

His problems is that he turns into a bitch in the playoffs. He sucked against the Twins too. It had nothing to do with it being the Red Sox.
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Point taken, I needed something to bitch about, though, because last night went far better than I expected.
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Again it's the first f*cking game. If it becomes a pattern then you have a point.
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Apr 4 2005, 02:16 PM
Again it's the first f*cking game. If it becomes a pattern then you have a point.

Stop being logical...I can't take it. :bigcry:
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Apr 4 2005, 02:16 PM
Again it's the first f*cking game. If it becomes a pattern then you have a point.

Wait a minute. You're the Captain of The Team. You can't be sunshining it. It sets a bad example for the call-ups.

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I think it was a psychological thing to get him right back in there against the Sox and in a case where there wasn't as much pressure.


:-| Joe = Frasier Crane. MM, it was the first of likely 26 meetings between the teams. There'll be other "tune ups" before the post season. Tom Gordon is almost your age and he's been closing and setting up since before "way back". Its not like Brad Halsey getting lambasted and you're saying, "Get back in the ring, kid." You're too smart for this, Drew. Put some shades on and stop letting the sunshine blind you.
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Ok, i'm usually a Torre defender, but I knew as soon as we picked up Rodriguez and Stanton that Torre wouldn't use them correctly. There is no reason for Stanton to be in now...and as i'm typing this Damon is hitting a single and its a 3-2 game. This is stupid.

The A-Rod hitting second thing is going to piss me off to no end as well. He's Alex f*cking Rodriguez.
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A former Torre defender. People, its better to just agree with me cuz sooner or later, you're gonna see the light ANYWAY.

The purpose of this thread is document his screw-ups. This ain't for me or Amit who have been calling him overrated since way back and have wanted him fired since 2003. This is for the people who have overlooked and continue to overlook his mistakes. Victory is the best makeup for an ugly game/decision/etc. and Joe's been wearing a ton of Mabeline for years. I'm trying to wash his face.
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The 4/10/05 lineup. I was thinking this even before Giambi dropped the pop up. I was thinking it even after he made that diving catch.

My lineup would have been...

2B - Womack
SS - Jeter
3B - Rodriguez (uh-huh, still on that...although Matsui is more deserving of the spot)
RF - Sheffield
LF - Matsui
C - Posada
DH - Giambi (I'd start him over Sierra because Lopez throws 86-88 and Giambi can catch up to that)
1B - Martinez (against a great hitting team, you need all the d' you can get)
CF - Crosby (I agree with Joe giving Bernie a day off)

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DH - Giambi (I'd start him over Sierra because Lopez throws 86-88 and Giambi can catch up to that)

Too bad the rest of the lineup can't catch up to the 88mph heater. :no1:
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Apr 10 2005, 02:08 PM
DH - Giambi (I'd start him over Sierra because Lopez throws 86-88 and Giambi can catch up to that)

Too bad the rest of the lineup can't catch up to the 88mph heater. :no1:

But you already knew that. This "stacked" offense struggles against anyone who struggles against everybody else. I know Lopez had a good rookie season, but he's not dominant. He's not even a good pitcher.

They'll underacheive to a nice looking runs scored total and 105 wins. Its a small nuisance now, but it'll be a mother f*cker when the playoffs come.
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I really don't like this team.
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This team is an overrtaed piece of sh*t. :furious: :furious: :puke: :thumbdown:
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