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Trachsel out 3-6 months
Topic Started: Mar 15 2005, 11:24 PM (209 Views)
PeterGriffin
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This sucks!!!! Now we're in the same position as we were last year--desperate for a #5 starter. Just imagine when Zambrano goes down with injury after his first or second start, we'll need two pitchers. If all the so-called experts are right about Pedro, then we will need 3 starters. How's this sound:

Glavine
Benson
Seo
Ginter
Yates

That's fantasy to nightmare pretty darn quick.
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neither zammy nor pedro will go down with injury


i say give yates another shot, if he f*cks up we always have seo or ginter who have shown flashes of brilliance.
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Since when is Trachsel out three-six months?

Link, please.
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http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/new...t=.jsp&c_id=nym
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i know this is stupid but petit is back up if he gets a chance i would seriously give him an opportunity.
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Omar will make a trade.
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The difference between Trax's injury and the one Zammy will have is that Trax will recover from it before the end of the season. Damn, this is bad news. Only positive is maybe Justin will realize that Trax's true value now.
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yes that is a positive

but for the last time ZAMMY WILL NOT GET INJURED
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I do think it's a bit stupid to guarantee an injury for someone.
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Let the kid Petit start. This kid is something special.
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Mar 15 2005, 10:56 PM
I do think it's a bit stupid to guarantee an injury for someone.

This isn't "anyone" is it? This a guy with a violent pitching motion, coming off an injury plagued season, having to prove that he is something more than he is just to justify something that wasn't in his control. Either his arm will blow, or he'll be nothing more than a 4th, 5th starter.

No to Petit. Not yet. Why ruin the kid's confidence?
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Mar 15 2005, 11:03 PM
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Mar 15 2005, 10:56 PM
I do think it's a bit stupid to guarantee an injury for someone.

This isn't "anyone" is it? This a guy with a violent pitching motion, coming off an injury plagued season, having to prove that he is something more than he is just to justify something that wasn't in his control. Either his arm will blow, or he'll be nothing more than a 4th, 5th starter.

No to Petit. Not yet. Why ruin the kid's confidence?

Maybe if we had Kazmir, this wouldn't seem like such a mess. :rolleyes:
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if he can pitch let him pitch

enough of that going through all three levels one year at a time, you do your best learning at the highest level against the best. Obviously we just shouldnt give him the job but he should definatly be in the mix to try to get it.
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Mar 15 2005, 10:56 PM
I do think it's a bit stupid to guarantee an injury for someone.

This isn't "anyone" is it? This a guy with a violent pitching motion, coming off an injury plagued season, having to prove that he is something more than he is just to justify something that wasn't in his control. Either his arm will blow, or he'll be nothing more than a 4th, 5th starter.

No to Petit. Not yet. Why ruin the kid's confidence?

violent pitching motion? :laugh:

that would be your boy kazmir

and elbow tendintis and a sprained ankle is injury plauged? :laugh:
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I don't believe bringing top prospects in as stopgaps. Petit would just be a stopgap. When Trax is ready he'd go back down thereby losing his confidence. When a top prospect comes up he should be fully tested at the minor league level. Let the spot go to the best spring training starter.
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Mr. Sunshine
Mar 15 2005, 11:07 PM
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Mar 15 2005, 11:03 PM
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Mar 15 2005, 10:56 PM
I do think it's a bit stupid to guarantee an injury for someone.

This isn't "anyone" is it? This a guy with a violent pitching motion, coming off an injury plagued season, having to prove that he is something more than he is just to justify something that wasn't in his control. Either his arm will blow, or he'll be nothing more than a 4th, 5th starter.

No to Petit. Not yet. Why ruin the kid's confidence?

violent pitching motion? :laugh:

that would be your boy kazmir

and elbow tendintis and a sprained ankle is injury plauged? :laugh:

Zammy has an awful motion. He pitched all of 3 games for us last year plus 22 for Tampa. Still 8 less than Glavine who was far from healthy last year. I'd say that qualifies as injury prone.
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champ4life
Mar 15 2005, 11:08 PM
I don't believe bringing top prospects in as stopgaps. Petit would just be a stopgap. When Trax is ready he'd go back down thereby losing his confidence. When a top prospect comes up he should be fully tested at the minor league level. Let the spot go to the best spring training starter.

When Gooden came up the only triple A experience he had was when he was brought up from double A at the end of the year for the International League playoffs. Next year he was the Mets best pitcher.

I saw Kazmir pitch last year and I don’t know where this sh*t came from that he has a violent motion.

Zambrano’s problem is that he throws too many damn pitches because he goes to deep counts with everybody. If he was more efficient with his pitch count he wouldn’t have so many problems.
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i hate trachsel more than anything in the world but this news really sucks, he's way better than seo, heilman or ginter, the mets are f*cked, either make a trade or you know what let the kid petit start, yes i know it's a crazy idea but it just might work!!!
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no need to trade to get crap

just start seo, ginter and yates, each go on hot streaks, when cold just take one of them out and replace him with the other.
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Mar 16 2005, 05:10 PM
no need to trade to get crap

just start seo, ginter and yates, each go on hot streaks, when cold just take one of them out and replace him with the other.

LOL no.

I'd rather trade for someone new than keep putting our trash out there every fifth day.
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no need to trade to get crap

just start seo, ginter and yates, each go on hot streaks, when cold just take one of them out and replace him with the other.

LOL no.

I'd rather trade for someone new than keep putting our trash out there every fifth day.

ginter was almost perfect his first month and a half, seo has been shown to put up a few zeros.

I do not want to trade someone valuable just to get a 5 starter who is probably garbage n the first place (the reason he is on the block this early).
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no need to trade to get crap

just start seo, ginter and yates, each go on hot streaks, when cold just take one of them out and replace him with the other.

LOL no.

I'd rather trade for someone new than keep putting our trash out there every fifth day.

ginter was almost perfect his first month and a half, seo has been shown to put up a few zeros.

I do not want to trade someone valuable just to get a 5 starter who is probably garbage n the first place (the reason he is on the block this early).

Then let's package our trashbag of 5th starters for someone better. Maybe throw in a lower level prospect.
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no need to trade to get crap

just start seo, ginter and yates, each go on hot streaks, when cold just take one of them out and replace him with the other.

LOL no.

I'd rather trade for someone new than keep putting our trash out there every fifth day.

ginter was almost perfect his first month and a half, seo has been shown to put up a few zeros.

I do not want to trade someone valuable just to get a 5 starter who is probably garbage n the first place (the reason he is on the block this early).

Then let's package our trashbag of 5th starters for someone better. Maybe throw in a lower level prospect.

who we will only be able to get scott erickson types
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no need to trade to get crap

just start seo, ginter and yates, each go on hot streaks, when cold just take one of them out and replace him with the other.

LOL no.

I'd rather trade for someone new than keep putting our trash out there every fifth day.

ginter was almost perfect his first month and a half, seo has been shown to put up a few zeros.

I do not want to trade someone valuable just to get a 5 starter who is probably garbage n the first place (the reason he is on the block this early).

please just stop!!!
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Mar 16 2005, 05:41 PM
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Mr. Sunshine
Mar 16 2005, 05:10 PM
no need to trade to get crap

just start seo, ginter and yates, each go on hot streaks, when cold just take one of them out and replace him with the other.

LOL no.

I'd rather trade for someone new than keep putting our trash out there every fifth day.

ginter was almost perfect his first month and a half, seo has been shown to put up a few zeros.

I do not want to trade someone valuable just to get a 5 starter who is probably garbage n the first place (the reason he is on the block this early).

please just stop!!!

:laugh:
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you morons tell me a good pitcher who is available who is worth giving up young talent for, just for 2 more wins.

You tell me and i stop
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No good pitcher.

The point isn't to get a good pitcher. The point is to get a 5th starter that isn't an automatic L.
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Mar 16 2005, 07:32 PM
No good pitcher.

The point isn't to get a good pitcher. The point is to get a 5th starter that isn't an automatic L.

:yes:
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Mar 16 2005, 07:32 PM
No good pitcher.

The point isn't to get a good pitcher. The point is to get a 5th starter that isn't an automatic L.

like who

there is nothing better then erickson types available

ginter has pitched 7 scorless innings and was very good for about half his time here.
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Mr. Sunshine
Mar 16 2005, 07:36 PM
timotime
Mar 16 2005, 07:32 PM
No good pitcher.

The point isn't to get a good pitcher. The point is to get a 5th starter that isn't an automatic L.

like who

there is nothing better then erickson types available

ginter has pitched 7 scorless innings and was very good for about half his time here.

ginter pitched OK for some of his starts but he brokedown after awhile, he's better suited for long relieve!!!
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