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just completed my first ever fantasy baseball draf
Topic Started: Mar 6 2005, 07:49 PM (149 Views)
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id appreciate you guys opinions. i know i got offense hungry.

C J. Kendall (Oak - C) C LAA 3:05 pm 183/574 86 3 51 11 .319
1B J. Thome (Phi - 1B) 1B @Bos 1:05 pm 139/508 97 42 105 0 .274
2B R. Freel (Cin - 2B,3B,OF) 2B @NYY 1:15 pm 140/505 74 3 28 37 .277
3B S. Hillenbrand (Tor - 1B,3B) 3B Min 1:05 pm 174/562 68 15 80 2 .310
SS M. Young (Tex - SS) SS @Col 3:05 pm 216/690 114 22 99 12 .313
OF V. Guerrero (LAA - OF) OF @Oak 3:05 pm 206/612 124 39 126 15 .337
OF G. Sheffield (NYY - OF) OF Cin 1:15 pm 166/573 117 36 121 5 .290
OF A. Dunn (Cin - 1B,OF) OF @NYY 1:15 pm 151/568 105 46 102 6 .266
Util C. Lee (Mil - OF) Util @KC 3:05 pm 180/591 103 31 99 11 .305
BN T. Hafner (Cle - 1B) BN Det 1:05 pm 150/482 96 28 109 3 .311
BN K. Matsui (NYM - SS) BN Was 1:10 pm 125/460 65 7 44 14 .272
BN A. Rowand (CWS - OF) BN Ari 3:05 pm 151/487 94 24 69 17 .310
BN J. Bay (Pit - OF) BN @TB 1:05 pm 116/411 61 26 82 4 .282
BN R. Durham (SF - 2B) BN ChC 3:05 pm 133/471 95 17 65 10 .282
BN J. Giambi (NYY - 1B)

SP B. Sheets (Mil - SP) SP @KC 3:05 pm 237.0 12 0 264 2.70 0.98
SP J. Peavy (SD - SP) SP @Sea 3:05 pm 166.1 15 0 173 2.27 1.20
RP R. Dempster (ChC - RP) RP @SF 3:05 pm 20.2 1 2 18 3.92 1.40
RP --empty-- - - - - - -
P Ol. Pérez (Pit - SP) P @TB 1:05 pm 196.0 12 0 239 2.98 1.15
P J. Piñeiro (Sea - SP) P SD 3:05 pm 140.2 6 0 111 4.67 1.33
P K. Wells (Pit - SP) P @TB 1:05 pm 138.1 5 0 116 4.55 1.53
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you had a good draft, what was it, a 10 team league???
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twelve team public league i believe my friend. like i said i got offensive happy. ive never done it before and i couldnt pass on guys like hafner, who were all over sportscenter last year and had one of the most underrated seasons a baseball player can have
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Mar 6 2005, 07:14 PM
twelve team public league i believe my friend. like i said i got offensive happy. ive never done it before and i couldnt pass on guys like hafner, who were all over sportscenter last year and had one of the most underrated seasons a baseball player can have

well you drafted some really good players, hafner was an excellent pick, i totally agree with you, his season was seriously overlooked last year, i think he'll only get better!!!
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someone is working a trade for carlos beltran. he wants vlad from me. i wont do that, but its cool as hell that you can complete trades as if you were a real gm.
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Zidanman
Mar 6 2005, 07:17 PM
someone is working a trade for carlos beltran. he wants vlad from me. i wont do that, but its cool as hell that you can complete trades as if you were a real gm.

yeah that's why i love fantasy leagues, especially football and baseball ones!!!
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Trade Vlad or Sheff for some pitching :peace:
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i like offense. i wont be trading any studs. i think having 3 guys with eras in the 2s last season and two young guys that could have solid seasons, wells and piniero, 9isn't bad enough to trade a stud. i can always pick someone up during the year i assume
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you dont have saves though, check if guys like danys baez are available.
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Dempster is closing...for now
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Drew
Mar 6 2005, 10:21 PM
Dempster is closing...for now

yeah i heard about that, silly cubs!!!
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Zidanman
Mar 6 2005, 09:30 PM
i like offense. i wont be trading any studs. i think having 3 guys with eras in the 2s last season and two young guys that could have solid seasons, wells and piniero, 9isn't bad enough to trade a stud. i can always pick someone up during the year i assume

In fantasy baseball pitching and offense are equal in importance if you dont split the stats i guarentee you that you will be a cellar dwellar


Think about this trading Sheff and getting two lesser players the two lesser players combined in one night will get you more fantasy stats than just sheff alone

Trust me on this :peace:
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Mar 6 2005, 11:06 PM
Zidanman
Mar 6 2005, 09:30 PM
i like offense. i wont be trading any studs. i think having 3 guys with eras in the 2s last season and two young guys that could have solid seasons, wells and piniero, 9isn't bad enough to trade a stud. i can always pick someone up during the year i assume

In fantasy baseball pitching and offense are equal in importance if you dont split the stats i guarentee you that you will be a cellar dwellar


Think about this trading Sheff and getting two lesser players the two lesser players combined in one night will get you more fantasy stats than just sheff alone

Trust me on this :peace:

where's my credit for getting an offense like that, while also still getting oliver perez, ben sheets, and jake peavy, who are all studs? your making it sound like i don't have pitching. those guys all had eras in the 2s last season and will easily have 200 plus strikeouts a piece this year. geez. don't talk down to me. i know pitching is important.
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i got into a debate with a buddy of mine who is experienced in fantasy baseball. he told me that beltran is basically a fantasy goldmine. so i asked him what about abreu. he said that abreu was nothing compared to beltran, as in real life. that got me a little upset, since i like beltran and all, but hes not better than abreu as a hitter in real life. fantasy wise, i could see since it might overvalue certain stats, like i believe beltran gives 10 or so more steals, although abreu had 41 last season. abreu has completed 8 full seasons, 7 of which he has been a .300 plus hitter. the one year he didn't hit 300, he hit .288 31 hrs 110 rbi 118 r. he says that beltran is younger and has much more upside, but i dont see it that way. abreu is only 31 himself and has had much better seasons, especially when you account thatt kansas city was considered the american league's poor man's answer to coors field. i don't know if these numbers are clear enough to see, but i believe it shows abreu to be the better hitter.

1998 PHI 151 497 68 155 29 6 17 74 84 133 19 10 .312 .409 .497 .906
1999 PHI 152 546 118 183 35 11 20 93 109 113 27 9 .335 .446 .549 .995
2000 PHI 154 576 103 182 42 10 25 79 100 116 28 8 .316 .416 .554 .970
2001 PHI 162 588 118 170 48 4 31 110 106 137 36 14 .289 .393 .543 .936
2002 PHI 157 572 102 176 50 6 20 85 104 117 31 12 .308 .413 .521 .934
2003 PHI 158 577 99 173 35 1 20 101 109 126 22 9 .300 .409 .468 .877
2004 PHI 159 574 118 173 47 1 30 105 127 116 40 5 .301 .428 .544 .971

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1999 KC 156 663 112 194 27 7 22 108 46 123 27 8 .293 .337 .454 .791
2000 KC 98 372 49 92 15 4 7 44 35 69 13 0 .247 .309 .366 .675
2001 KC 155 617 106 189 32 12 24 101 52 120 31 1 .306 .362 .514 .876
2002 KC 162 637 114 174 44 7 29 105 71 135 35 7 .273 .346 .501 .847
2003 KC 141 521 102 160 14 10 26 100 72 81 41 4 .307 .389 .522 .911
2004 KC 69 266 51 74 19 2 15 51 37 44 14 3 .278 .367 .534 .901
2004 HOU 90 333 70 86 17 7 23 53 55 57 28 0 .258 .368 .559 .926

im taking abreu if i need a hitter to build around. the biggest difference is the obp. while beltran has a ver nice obp around the .370 and .380 markl, abreu is steadily in the .400s and sometimes ridiculous, .428 last year and .446 in 99.
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abreu might be a better hitter but beltran is a better all around player!!!
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well, thanks for conceding that possibility, especially since you have beltran as your sig. that's in fact the argument that bothered me. i know beltran is better all-around, but abreu strikes me as the better hitter, and that was my argument
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wow Z you agree with me!!!

see justin i aint the only one, abreu is better then beltran.
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Mr. Sunshine
Mar 7 2005, 07:04 PM
wow Z you agree with me!!!

see justin i aint the only one, abreu is better then beltran.

no no no, abreu is a better hitter at this point but beltran is a better player, peter i know what you are trying to do, tell me who i'd rather have on my team (fantasy and real life) i'll say beltran, he can do anything on the diamond!!!
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anything except getting an obp steadily in the 400s and being a consistant .300 hitter.
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Mar 7 2005, 09:36 PM
anything except getting an obp steadily in the 400s and being a consistant .300 hitter.

abreu definitely has beltran beat with those 2 stats!!!
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some person, either guy or girl, dunno, offered me his/her pat burrell and woody williams for my gary sheffield. am i mistaken or did he/she just try to treat me like a complete idiot? i clicked counter proposal and offered my sheffield for his/her pedro martinez, just because i realize i could afford to lose sheff and pedro would add another potential pitcher with a 2 era and 200 strikeouts to my rotation
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Mar 8 2005, 10:12 AM
some person, either guy or girl, dunno, offered me his/her pat burrell and woody williams for my gary sheffield. am i mistaken or did he/she just try to treat me like a complete idiot? i clicked counter proposal and offered my sheffield for his/her pedro martinez, just because i realize i could afford to lose sheff and pedro would add another potential pitcher with a 2 era and 200 strikeouts to my rotation

that's a good counter proposal!!!
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Mar 8 2005, 02:43 PM
Zidanman
Mar 8 2005, 10:12 AM
some person, either guy or girl, dunno, offered me his/her pat burrell and woody williams for my gary sheffield. am i mistaken or did he/she just try to treat me like a complete idiot? i clicked counter proposal and offered my sheffield for his/her pedro martinez, just because i realize i could afford to lose sheff and pedro would add another potential pitcher with a 2 era and 200 strikeouts to my rotation

that's a good counter proposal!!!

Why cuz he is on the Mets?
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Mar 8 2005, 08:35 PM
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some person, either guy or girl, dunno, offered me his/her pat burrell and woody williams for my gary sheffield. am i mistaken or did he/she just try to treat me like a complete idiot? i clicked counter proposal and offered my sheffield for his/her pedro martinez, just because i realize i could afford to lose sheff and pedro would add another potential pitcher with a 2 era and 200 strikeouts to my rotation

that's a good counter proposal!!!

Why cuz he is on the Mets?

yes!!!
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well i made a post that i was sick of getting insulting trade offers from this guy, the one who offered burrell and woody williams to me for gary sheffield. now, i cannot believe this, some other player in the league is responding that i overvalue sheffield and my players and that the trade is fair. am i in the motherfning twilight zone. since when does pat burrell lace gary sheffield's jock? ive looked over the stats numerous times and i see no comparison
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the person that offered pat burrell and woody williams for gary sheffield is still talking trash. correct me if im wrong, but doesn't an insulting, bogus trade like that need to be shoved right back in their face? i never done this before, but i assume people that offer bogus trades should be outted as guys trying to cheat teams of players to win.
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