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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 24 2005, 10:39 AM (215 Views) | |
| moomoo24 | Jan 24 2005, 10:39 AM Post #1 |
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Think about it. The way they're playing, the group of guys they have, its a good comparison. As far as I'm concerned Tom Brady is the best QB in the league, and Derek Jeter is the best player in baseball. They both just know how to win. Late 2nd half field goal, who do you want kicking it in a big spot? One run lead in the 9th of a big game, what closer do you want with the ball? Adam Vinitieri and Mariano Rivera respectively. Last year was just the Patriots version of '97. |
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Jan 24 2005, 11:04 AM Post #2 |
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Dude, you're so banned
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I don't agree. The Patriots win because of coaching. The Yankees won because of talent with little to do with Torre. If Bellicheck coached like Torre manages, the Patriots wouldn't be a playoff team. |
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| Giambi_MVP_25 | Jan 24 2005, 11:41 AM Post #3 |
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f*ck the Patriots. |
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| Juan2K | Jan 24 2005, 12:40 PM Post #4 |
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I hope that The Eagles beat The Patriots in The Super Bowl. |
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| cmnyy | Jan 24 2005, 12:46 PM Post #5 |
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I hope the Pats win, so that the great fans of Boston can have two great dynasties - the Pats and the Red Sox for the next 20 years. Go Sox! :thumbup: |
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| Mantlemurcer | Jan 24 2005, 01:09 PM Post #6 |
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:please: |
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| TheOne | Jan 24 2005, 03:43 PM Post #7 |
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yeah tom brady, corey dillon and all the great players they have on defense are garbage!!! :-| |
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Jan 24 2005, 05:54 PM Post #8 |
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Every team has some levels of talent. But come on, the Patriots have been winning without their top defensive players. Bellicheck is a friggin genius. |
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| TheOne | Jan 24 2005, 06:26 PM Post #9 |
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belichick is a genius but he doesn't play the games, the players must perform in order for the team to win, guys like brady, dillon, bruschi, seymour and vinatieri don't grow on trees, all those guys are clutch and definitely play a part in the success of this new england team!!! |
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Jan 24 2005, 06:30 PM Post #10 |
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Who the feck is talking to you? I was responding to MM"s talk to the hand. |
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| TheOne | Jan 24 2005, 06:31 PM Post #11 |
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i'm talking to you, belichick is not the sole reason the pats are so f*cking great!!! |
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| moomoo24 | Jan 24 2005, 07:14 PM Post #12 |
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I think its ignorant to say Torre had nothing to do with the Yankees success or the Pat's are just a product of their coaching. The Patriots have assembled a very deep team with starter level talent at every position, add in guys like Troy Brown going both ways. That's not just Bellicheck right there. |
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Jan 24 2005, 07:32 PM Post #13 |
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Let me just adjust my statement, as opposed to exaggerating. The Patriots win because of a combination of awesome coaching and very good talent. The Yankees won because of great talent and good managing. Strategically, Bellicheck is a genius, which has enabled the Patriots to be the team they are. Strategically, Torre is mediocre. His strength is off the field and dealing with egos. |
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| TheOne | Jan 24 2005, 07:41 PM Post #14 |
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that's an excellent post LFW, i totally agree!!! |
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| Grandy4MVP | Jan 24 2005, 07:53 PM Post #15 |
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Agreed, great post and way to put the two teams in perspective. And oh yeah, when they win 4 out of 5 like we did call me. :peace: Again, it's apples to oranges though with the cap in the NFL> |
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| O'Neill21 | Jan 25 2005, 10:40 PM Post #16 |
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I could see why the two are compared, both teams consist of good players who just know how to win when it matters most. Those Yankee teams didn't have all stars at every position, but they played like all stars each and every night. Most of those players grinded it out when they had to. The team played like a unit and was the superstar!! The Patriots team does not consist of all stars either, but they have a brilliant coach (which is a must have in football) and the right mix of players (some veterans and young talent) who buy into a "team" concept. Torre had to make some crucial moves in the 96 WS when the Yanks were down 0-2 to the Braves. As well as in 98 when they were down 2-1 to the Indians. Give him some credit in those WS games. In this decade though he's had more superstars at every position and therfore has had to manage less than he did when the run began. Lately though you could question some of his moves. Belicheck and Torre both play important roles in there team's success, but Belicheck plays a more integral role in the success of the Patriots than Torre does to the Yankees. If the Pats beat the Eagles they will have dynasty. The Red Sawks have only won one championship they still have a long ways to go before they can consider themselves a dynasty. I hope it never happens either!!! :rock: I like the way the Pats play, but since they are from MA I can't stand them!! :furious: If the Pats win this SB then they will have earned a dynasty, I hope the Red Sawks don't win another one!!I hope the Eagles win even though there fans are worse than Red Sawks fans believe it or Not!! |
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| 2nyyankeesl3 | Jan 26 2005, 08:06 PM Post #17 |
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They are very similar. They play as a team and not as a bunch of talented guys out to get a payday. As much as i hate the patsies their play well together.. |
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| Strider | Jan 26 2005, 09:30 PM Post #18 |
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As the only person here who knows enough about both to talk: LFW is right. Not even so much on that 1/2 backtrack post, but what he said first. The NFL is a coach's league. Every play, every detail is deisnged and orchestrated by the coaching staff. If you had to pick between Bellichick and Brady, you go with Bellichick. Not to take anything away from Brady, but that's how important coaching is and that's how good he is. You have to chose between Torre and Jeter/Sheffield/Rodriguez, its "f*ck you, Joe". Moomoo, Tom Brady is NOT the best QB in the league. I'm tired of people saying that sh*t. Ever since that Colts game, you've all turned your backs on Manning. Brady isn't even the 2nd best QB in the game. And I could make an argument that he's not 3rd. What he is is clutch. His late game INT against the Dolphins this year, that was his FIRST screw-up in the clutch. He had another one against the Bears in 2002, but the DT who picked it off fumbled it and it was recovered by the Pats and Brady proceeded to throw the game winning TD to Patten. I've been saying it for years that Brady is the most clutch athlete in any sport (and any sport I don't watch doesn't matter). But its Montana vs. Marino. You can talk 4 championships and clutch performances, but it doesn't erase the fact that Marino was a better player. Who holds all the records? Who was more talented? Who did more individually? Ricky Ledee has championships, Barry Bonds doesn't. I respect the hell out of Brady (this post is getting too long so I won't go into detail), but he's not the best. People saying that sh*t need to knock it off. Saying Jeter is the best player in the game, that's ridiculous. You can tie intangibles to a strap-on and shove it down my throat, he's not the best. He doesn't do the most things to help his team win. Put him in Kansas City and see who the f*ck is talking intangibles and how much he "knows how to win". |
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| Strider | Jan 26 2005, 09:42 PM Post #19 |
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[size=7]Don't let this post distract you (everyone) from the last one. That sh*t happens too often when I make 2 replies in a short span.[/size] MM, you're too smart a guy to be thinking that. An NFL coach has infintely more of an effect on the outcome of the game than does a manager or basketball coach. You have to know that. The Patriots do win because of coaching. You know where Poteat (a guy who I had only seen when I was looking at the list of NFL defensive backs at nfl.com like 3 years ago) just a month ago? Dude was retired and taking classes at UPitt. Now he's in Bellichick's lineup, helped hold one of the all-time great offenses to 3 points, and is headed to a Super Bowl. And we're not talking about a f*ckin' long snapper here, its cornerback. The Pariots aren't the most talented team in the NFL. But they're 33-2 in the last two seasons. How many big coaching mistakes has Torre made? I've been calling him overrated for years. I can't think of any right now (so many) but get Amit in here and he'll list them. If Bill Bellichick coached like Joe Torre, he'd be Herman Edwards. If Joe Torre makes more than Bill Bellichick, which I think he does, that's a crime. ^ MM, that's incontrovertible sh*t. You cannot logically tell me otherwise. |
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| Strider | Jan 26 2005, 09:47 PM Post #20 |
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Tell you what, I might rather have Vinatieri pitching that 9th inning. :smirk: |
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| NYJ EcKo151 | Jan 26 2005, 09:48 PM Post #21 |
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How dare you compare ANY sports team to the JANKEES, thats a slap in the face to the Yanks...No one comes close to them :please: But I will agree on one thing, Brady is the Jeter of the Pats.... Game 7, 2 outs, bases loaded, down by 2...You want the bat in Derek Jeter's hands because he's CLUTCH 1:55 seconds, 1 timeout, 75 yards, down by 6...You want the ball in Tom Brady's hands because he's CLUTCH. |
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| Giambi_MVP_25 | Jan 26 2005, 09:48 PM Post #22 |
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Ralph please :please: |
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| Strider | Jan 26 2005, 09:59 PM Post #23 |
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During the ALCS, I had put up a stat that all of you bitches ignored. It was Babe Ruth says: Mariano Rivera has blown more saves (54) than I lost games (46). Its been a while so I'm not positive on the numbers, but I'm pretty sure its that. How many big games has Mariano blow (regular season included)? When Vinatieri misses some 26 yard FGs with his team down by 2, I'll get on his ass too. I overlooked the Game 7 (although it hurt so much), but I'm not forgiving him for Kevin Millar, Dave Brown (fuckit, he did steal OFF him), and Mueller. He's on my shitlist and I don't care what anyone says. And Drew, you know this isn't coming from some moron fan. |
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Jan 26 2005, 10:05 PM Post #24 |
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Excellent posts, Strider. Marino is by far and away the greatest quarterback ever. The guy didn't even have a running game or playmaking receivers and he put up ungodly numbers. Teams that played the Dolphins went into the game with one objective. Stop Marino. There was no Edgerin James or Marvin Harrison on any of those Dolphin teams. He wasn't a dink and dunk west coast passer either. This guy could thread the needle with bullets down the field. Add to that, the guy had bad knees his whole career and played injured a lot. 352 career TDs and 200 INTS. Not bad |
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| YankeeBaseball | Jan 27 2005, 12:22 AM Post #25 |
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Good post Stryder. :strider: I think you meant Dave Roberts (one-by-one's boy). :rock: |
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Jan 27 2005, 12:26 AM Post #26 |
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Well, he's right still. Dave Roberts is brown. He was calling him Dave The Brown. That's corret. |
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| moomoo24 | Jan 27 2005, 11:11 AM Post #27 |
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How is that any different from Manning having all the receivers and weapons he has in Indy? Put Peyton with an offense like Chicago and I could say the same thing. |
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| Strider | Jan 27 2005, 12:17 PM Post #28 |
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That's exactly what I meant.
Peyton Manning takes full advantage of the talent around him and puts up the best numbers. Jeter hits and has hit infront of and between some of the best hitters in the game. Manning has averaged 4206 yards/31 TDs. You can't compare apples and oranges, but we'll try - those numbers are much more exclusive in football than .315/18 HR/82 RBI is in baseball. If Manning continues at his current pace (not this season, his career averages) for another 8 seasons (he's only 28), he'll have thrown for the most yards and touchdowns all time. Its hard to project what Manning's numbers would look like if he played for the Bears but I figure you could slice his touchdowns in half. That's about 25. Also, the Bears receivers haven't been that bad over the years. David Terrell is talented, Desmond Clark is one of the better receiving TEs in the league, and Marty Booker was a 2-time Pro Bowler. Anthony Thomas has run for 1,000 yards twice since 2001 with them. Their biggest problem has been QB. They went 13-3 in 2001 with Jim Miller. If they had Peyton Manning, I think it would help a little. |
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