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Luis Matos
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What about Luis Matos? Breakout year in 2003, hurt a lot last year. Hairston will probably be the starting CFer this year for the O's. Matos is 26, a good defensive player, and a base stealer.
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What about Luis Matos? Breakout year in 2003, hurt a lot last year. Hairston will probably be the starting CFer this year for the O's. Matos is 26, a good defensive player, and a base stealer.

Depend on what we'd have to give up. If it's Duncan, no.
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What about Luis Matos?  Breakout year in 2003, hurt a lot last year.  Hairston will probably be the starting CFer this year for the O's.  Matos is 26, a good defensive player, and a base stealer.

Depend on what we'd have to give up. If it's Duncan, no.

You're right. Nobody is going to hand us a capable starting centerfielder for nothing unless they are extremely overpaid or we trade Duncan. Thus, we are stuck with Bernie unless we sign Maggs and move Matsui to CF.
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What about Luis Matos?  Breakout year in 2003, hurt a lot last year.  Hairston will probably be the starting CFer this year for the O's.  Matos is 26, a good defensive player, and a base stealer.

Depend on what we'd have to give up. If it's Duncan, no.

You're right. Nobody is going to hand us a capable starting centerfielder for nothing unless they are extremely overpaid or we trade Duncan. Thus, we are stuck with Bernie unless we sign Maggs and move Matsui to CF.

Maggs for a low base, high incentive deal sounds fair to all. He plays on a winner and has a chance for big $$$. We get a top flight player with minimal risk. :dance:
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Is anybody talking to Ordonez? Is anyone even talking about him? How bad was the injury? You'd think that a guy who was doing .300/30 HR/100 RBI/20 SB every season would garner some attention.
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Is anybody talking to Ordonez? Is anyone even talking about him? How bad was the injury? You'd think that a guy who was doing .300/30 HR/100 RBI/20 SB every season would garner some attention.

It's because he had an experimental treatment to repair his knee. The Cubbies and Tigers are supposedly interested, but I don't know if they have actually talked deal.
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Getting back to Matos. The O's bullpen needs help. Why not try to offer either Quantrill or Fe-Rod, cash, and a Mike Vento type player for Matos and a low level minor leaguer?
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I'd make a play for Matos. At the very least he's a guy that we could trade after a month if we're not happy for some prospect. Can't hurt.
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What about Luis Matos?  Breakout year in 2003, hurt a lot last year.  Hairston will probably be the starting CFer this year for the O's.  Matos is 26, a good defensive player, and a base stealer.

Depend on what we'd have to give up. If it's Duncan, no.

You're right. Nobody is going to hand us a capable starting centerfielder for nothing unless they are extremely overpaid or we trade Duncan. Thus, we are stuck with Bernie unless we sign Maggs and move Matsui to CF.

I think the outfield is set for this year. I know many people are upset that we didn't get any new outfielders, but our priority this year was first and foremost to revamp our starting rotation and I think we did that. Last year we brought in Lofton and he barely played. That move didn't work out for us at all. He complained more than he played. Bernie started most of the games than Lofton. If the Marlins are out of it by the ASB then we may go after Juan Pierre. It it all depends though. We all remeber what he did in the 2003 WS. He's the CF we'd want. He's the prototypical leadoff hitter we have lacked in our lineup and he's young and cheaper than Beltran. Again this move will only take place if our offense is struggling and I don't see that happening. Let's give Bubba a chance next year to backup Bernie. We don't need an All-Star at every position to win. Plus I'd like to see what Duncan can do here someday.

I'm going keep an eye on Kevin Brown. He has a chance to makeup for his dismal 2004 performance as a Yankee. He stunk in the regular season and was worse in the playoffs. If he rebounds I say keep him, if not than I'd try and trade him. I didn't really want to see him in 2005, but I don't think there were really any takers for him. The way he pitched last year, he didn't deserve to be around this year. He was such a good pitcher in the past that I can't believe he pitched so poorly for us last year. Maybe he is done? :dunno: Or maybe he has something left in the tank?
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What about Luis Matos?  Breakout year in 2003, hurt a lot last year.  Hairston will probably be the starting CFer this year for the O's.  Matos is 26, a good defensive player, and a base stealer.

Depend on what we'd have to give up. If it's Duncan, no.

You're right. Nobody is going to hand us a capable starting centerfielder for nothing unless they are extremely overpaid or we trade Duncan. Thus, we are stuck with Bernie unless we sign Maggs and move Matsui to CF.

I think the outfield is set for this year. I know many people are upset that we didn't get any new outfielders, but our priority this year was first and foremost to revamp our starting rotation and I think we did that. Last year we brought in Lofton and he barely played. That move didn't work out for us at all. He complained more than he played. Bernie started most of the games than Lofton. If the Marlins are out of it by the ASB then we may go after Juan Pierre. It it all depends though. We all remeber what he did in the 2003 WS. He's the CF we'd want. He's the prototypical leadoff hitter we have lacked in our lineup and he's young and cheaper than Beltran. Again this move will only take place if our offense is struggling and I don't see that happening. Let's give Bubba a chance next year to backup Bernie. We don't need an All-Star at every position to win. Plus I'd like to see what Duncan can do here someday.

I'm going keep an eye on Kevin Brown. He has a chance to makeup for his dismal 2004 performance as a Yankee. He stunk in the regular season and was worse in the playoffs. If he rebounds I say keep him, if not than I'd try and trade him. I didn't really want to see him in 2005, but I don't think there were really any takers for him. The way he pitched last year, he didn't deserve to be around this year. He was such a good pitcher in the past that I can't believe he pitched so poorly for us last year. Maybe he is done? :dunno: Or maybe he has something left in the tank?

Brown will be better. Bank on it.

1. He's healthy

2. He's our #5 going against the league's worst pitchers (other teams #5s)

3. It's his walk year, so he's pitching for a contract.

4. He owes us.


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What about Luis Matos?  Breakout year in 2003, hurt a lot last year.  Hairston will probably be the starting CFer this year for the O's.  Matos is 26, a good defensive player, and a base stealer.

Depend on what we'd have to give up. If it's Duncan, no.

You're right. Nobody is going to hand us a capable starting centerfielder for nothing unless they are extremely overpaid or we trade Duncan. Thus, we are stuck with Bernie unless we sign Maggs and move Matsui to CF.

I think the outfield is set for this year. I know many people are upset that we didn't get any new outfielders, but our priority this year was first and foremost to revamp our starting rotation and I think we did that. Last year we brought in Lofton and he barely played. That move didn't work out for us at all. He complained more than he played. Bernie started most of the games than Lofton. If the Marlins are out of it by the ASB then we may go after Juan Pierre. It it all depends though. We all remeber what he did in the 2003 WS. He's the CF we'd want. He's the prototypical leadoff hitter we have lacked in our lineup and he's young and cheaper than Beltran. Again this move will only take place if our offense is struggling and I don't see that happening. Let's give Bubba a chance next year to backup Bernie. We don't need an All-Star at every position to win. Plus I'd like to see what Duncan can do here someday.

I'm going keep an eye on Kevin Brown. He has a chance to makeup for his dismal 2004 performance as a Yankee. He stunk in the regular season and was worse in the playoffs. If he rebounds I say keep him, if not than I'd try and trade him. I didn't really want to see him in 2005, but I don't think there were really any takers for him. The way he pitched last year, he didn't deserve to be around this year. He was such a good pitcher in the past that I can't believe he pitched so poorly for us last year. Maybe he is done? :dunno: Or maybe he has something left in the tank?

Brown will be better. Bank on it.

1. He's healthy

2. He's our #5 going against the league's worst pitchers (other teams #5s)

3. It's his walk year, so he's pitching for a contract.

4. He owes us.


:peace:

Good points. He does owe us!! :agent: Hopefully Johnson can motivate him to pitch better. I'm sure Brown feels he should pitch better. Johnson's older and better than Brown and they both seem pissed off most of the time. They look very serious. They both strive for perfection. Mussina also needs to improve on his win total from last year. The thing he does best though is beat Bastan. I feel good about Pavano, but get a bad feeling when it comes to Wright.
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What about Luis Matos?  Breakout year in 2003, hurt a lot last year.  Hairston will probably be the starting CFer this year for the O's.  Matos is 26, a good defensive player, and a base stealer.

Depend on what we'd have to give up. If it's Duncan, no.

You're right. Nobody is going to hand us a capable starting centerfielder for nothing unless they are extremely overpaid or we trade Duncan. Thus, we are stuck with Bernie unless we sign Maggs and move Matsui to CF.

I think the outfield is set for this year. I know many people are upset that we didn't get any new outfielders, but our priority this year was first and foremost to revamp our starting rotation and I think we did that. Last year we brought in Lofton and he barely played. That move didn't work out for us at all. He complained more than he played. Bernie started most of the games than Lofton. If the Marlins are out of it by the ASB then we may go after Juan Pierre. It it all depends though. We all remeber what he did in the 2003 WS. He's the CF we'd want. He's the prototypical leadoff hitter we have lacked in our lineup and he's young and cheaper than Beltran. Again this move will only take place if our offense is struggling and I don't see that happening. Let's give Bubba a chance next year to backup Bernie. We don't need an All-Star at every position to win. Plus I'd like to see what Duncan can do here someday.

I'm going keep an eye on Kevin Brown. He has a chance to makeup for his dismal 2004 performance as a Yankee. He stunk in the regular season and was worse in the playoffs. If he rebounds I say keep him, if not than I'd try and trade him. I didn't really want to see him in 2005, but I don't think there were really any takers for him. The way he pitched last year, he didn't deserve to be around this year. He was such a good pitcher in the past that I can't believe he pitched so poorly for us last year. Maybe he is done? :dunno: Or maybe he has something left in the tank?

Brown will be better. Bank on it.

1. He's healthy

2. He's our #5 going against the league's worst pitchers (other teams #5s)

3. It's his walk year, so he's pitching for a contract.

4. He owes us.


:peace:

Good points. He does owe us!! :agent: Hopefully Johnson can motivate him to pitch better. I'm sure Brown feels he should pitch better. Johnson's older and better than Brown and they both seem pissed off most of the time. They look very serious. They both strive for perfection. Mussina also needs to improve on his win total from last year. The thing he does best though is beat Bastan. I feel good about Pavano, but get a bad feeling when it comes to Wright.

maybe I turn out to be wrong on this, but I would have held onto Lieber for 1yr 8mil over Wright 3yr 21mil. I think now that he's healthy, Lieber will have a very good season. Plus it would have freed up a second slot (along with Brown's) for free agents next year. :rock:
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Don't put much faith in Brown. He cost us the series against Boston, and for that he shouldn't be forgiven or receive Yankee fans faith.
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Don't put much faith in Brown. He cost us the series against Boston, and for that he shouldn't be forgiven or receive Yankee fans faith.

At this point, he's our #5. I'm trying to be optimistic. This is the time of year for optimism, don't ya know. :peace:
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Don't put much faith in Brown. He cost us the series against Boston, and for that he shouldn't be forgiven or receive Yankee fans faith.

At this point, he's our #5. I'm trying to be optimistic. This is the time of year for optimism, don't ya know. :peace:

Brown doesn't deserve optimism. He friggin choked away Game 7 to the Red Sox for Christ's sakes. No one should be forgiven him or giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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Don't put much faith in Brown. He cost us the series against Boston, and for that he shouldn't be forgiven or receive Yankee fans faith.

At this point, he's our #5. I'm trying to be optimistic. This is the time of year for optimism, don't ya know. :peace:

Brown doesn't deserve optimism. He friggin choked away Game 7 to the Red Sox for Christ's sakes. No one should be forgiven him or giving him the benefit of the doubt.

He didn't choke it away. He lied it away. Told Torre he was fine. Azzhole Brown.
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Don't put much faith in Brown. He cost us the series against Boston, and for that he shouldn't be forgiven or receive Yankee fans faith.

At this point, he's our #5. I'm trying to be optimistic. This is the time of year for optimism, don't ya know. :peace:

Brown doesn't deserve optimism. He friggin choked away Game 7 to the Red Sox for Christ's sakes. No one should be forgiven him or giving him the benefit of the doubt.

:please: Everyone deserves a second chance (even democrats ;) ). Brown's our #5. We need him to perform. You're ripping on him doesn't change matters. Deal with it. :rock:
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Don't put much faith in Brown. He cost us the series against Boston, and for that he shouldn't be forgiven or receive Yankee fans faith.

At this point, he's our #5. I'm trying to be optimistic. This is the time of year for optimism, don't ya know. :peace:

Brown doesn't deserve optimism. He friggin choked away Game 7 to the Red Sox for Christ's sakes. No one should be forgiven him or giving him the benefit of the doubt.

:please: Everyone deserves a second chance (even democrats ;) ). Brown's our #5. We need him to perform. You're ripping on him doesn't change matters. Deal with it. :rock:

I might be forced to watch him and cheer for him, but I'll never forgive him for changing the history books in 2004 in the favor of the Red Sox.
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Don't put much faith in Brown. He cost us the series against Boston, and for that he shouldn't be forgiven or receive Yankee fans faith.

At this point, he's our #5. I'm trying to be optimistic. This is the time of year for optimism, don't ya know. :peace:

Brown doesn't deserve optimism. He friggin choked away Game 7 to the Red Sox for Christ's sakes. No one should be forgiven him or giving him the benefit of the doubt.

:please: Everyone deserves a second chance (even democrats ;) ). Brown's our #5. We need him to perform. You're ripping on him doesn't change matters. Deal with it. :rock:

I might be forced to watch him and cheer for him, but I'll never forgive him for changing the history books in 2004 in the favor of the Red Sox.

I will agree with that statement. :bigthumbup:
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There wouldn't even have been a game 7 if Joe knew what the hell he was doing.
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Is anybody talking to Ordonez? Is anyone even talking about him? How bad was the injury? You'd think that a guy who was doing .300/30 HR/100 RBI/20 SB every season would garner some attention.

It's because he had an experimental treatment to repair his knee. The Cubbies and Tigers are supposedly interested, but I don't know if they have actually talked deal.

Not to mention that the field he played on was a hitter's park.

We should sign him for 2 years, with more option years depending on how he performs.
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There wouldn't even have been a game 7 if Joe knew what the hell he was doing.

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What about Luis Matos?  Breakout year in 2003, hurt a lot last year.  Hairston will probably be the starting CFer this year for the O's.  Matos is 26, a good defensive player, and a base stealer.

Depend on what we'd have to give up. If it's Duncan, no.

You're right. Nobody is going to hand us a capable starting centerfielder for nothing unless they are extremely overpaid or we trade Duncan. Thus, we are stuck with Bernie unless we sign Maggs and move Matsui to CF.

I think the outfield is set for this year. I know many people are upset that we didn't get any new outfielders, but our priority this year was first and foremost to revamp our starting rotation and I think we did that. Last year we brought in Lofton and he barely played. That move didn't work out for us at all. He complained more than he played. Bernie started most of the games than Lofton. If the Marlins are out of it by the ASB then we may go after Juan Pierre. It it all depends though. We all remeber what he did in the 2003 WS. He's the CF we'd want. He's the prototypical leadoff hitter we have lacked in our lineup and he's young and cheaper than Beltran. Again this move will only take place if our offense is struggling and I don't see that happening. Let's give Bubba a chance next year to backup Bernie. We don't need an All-Star at every position to win. Plus I'd like to see what Duncan can do here someday.

I'm going keep an eye on Kevin Brown. He has a chance to makeup for his dismal 2004 performance as a Yankee. He stunk in the regular season and was worse in the playoffs. If he rebounds I say keep him, if not than I'd try and trade him. I didn't really want to see him in 2005, but I don't think there were really any takers for him. The way he pitched last year, he didn't deserve to be around this year. He was such a good pitcher in the past that I can't believe he pitched so poorly for us last year. Maybe he is done? :dunno: Or maybe he has something left in the tank?

Brown will be better. Bank on it.

1. He's healthy

2. He's our #5 going against the league's worst pitchers (other teams #5s)

3. It's his walk year, so he's pitching for a contract.

4. He owes us.


:peace:

Good points. He does owe us!! :agent: Hopefully Johnson can motivate him to pitch better. I'm sure Brown feels he should pitch better. Johnson's older and better than Brown and they both seem pissed off most of the time. They look very serious. They both strive for perfection. Mussina also needs to improve on his win total from last year. The thing he does best though is beat Bastan. I feel good about Pavano, but get a bad feeling when it comes to Wright.

maybe I turn out to be wrong on this, but I would have held onto Lieber for 1yr 8mil over Wright 3yr 21mil. I think now that he's healthy, Lieber will have a very good season. Plus it would have freed up a second slot (along with Brown's) for free agents next year. :rock:

I too would of rather kept Leiber than sign Wright. We are stuck w/ him now. Not good. :no1: Beltran is going to tatoo Wright in the Interleague Series w/the Mets this year!! :thumbdown:
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Don't put much faith in Brown. He cost us the series against Boston, and for that he shouldn't be forgiven or receive Yankee fans faith.

At this point, he's our #5. I'm trying to be optimistic. This is the time of year for optimism, don't ya know. :peace:

Brown doesn't deserve optimism. He friggin choked away Game 7 to the Red Sox for Christ's sakes. No one should be forgiven him or giving him the benefit of the doubt.

:please: Everyone deserves a second chance (even democrats ;) ). Brown's our #5. We need him to perform. You're ripping on him doesn't change matters. Deal with it. :rock:

I might be forced to watch him and cheer for him, but I'll never forgive him for changing the history books in 2004 in the favor of the Red Sox.

I'll agree w/ that. :thumbup2: I'm hoping Brown improves this year, but if he starts to struggle big time again, then all the feelings in me that I had for him in last year's ALCS game 7 will re-surface. :wall: :fyou: :furious: The only way he could make up to Yankee fans is by beating Bastan several times this year and if possible in the playoffs. I doubt Torre will ever give him the ball in the playoffs again though. What I'm wondering is if this new rotation will change by year's end? There's a chance if Mussina,Wright, or Brown go down w/ injuries during the year for a long period of time. Hopefully, they will be healthy this time around, but you really never know for sure these days.
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