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Outfield defense is a big weakness
Topic Started: Jan 9 2005, 03:17 AM (299 Views)
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Jan 9 2005, 01:09 PM
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Jan 9 2005, 01:09 PM
Why would you leave a tired, old, fat Clemens in the game when you have Mariano Rivera!?  Come on, please.

Clemsn would always lose it towards the end of games, ALWAYS.  He was old!  What do you want?

So, you're telling me Clemens was being taken out in the 9th inning every situation for Rivera? That's just not true.

You're such an idiot sometimes. Seriously.

What are you talking about!? You would be the first one killing Torre for leaving Clemens or Mussina or whoever in too long and not bringing in Rivera. Now you're bitching because he would take them out?
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Jan 9 2005, 01:12 PM
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Jan 9 2005, 01:09 PM
Why would you leave a tired, old, fat Clemens in the game when you have Mariano Rivera!?  Come on, please.

Clemsn would always lose it towards the end of games, ALWAYS.  He was old!  What do you want?

So, you're telling me Clemens was being taken out in the 9th inning every situation for Rivera? That's just not true.

You're such an idiot sometimes. Seriously.

What are you talking about!? You would be the first one killing Torre for leaving Clemens or Mussina or whoever in too long and not bringing in Rivera. Now you're bitching because he would take them out?

You're acting like every situation that Torre would baby his starters and take them out was in favor of putting Rivera in in the 9th inning. THAT"s what's stupid.
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Jan 9 2005, 01:11 PM
The point is I don't want an overused pen again, especially guys like Gordon and Rivera this year. It's not like our bullpen has had a bunch of guys that could do the job over the years. We've only had 2 or 3 guys per year, but Torre would overuse them. I'd rather let the starter go an inning more and in certain cases, finish the game./

Yeah I'm sure an injured Brown, 45 year old El Duque, pissy Mussina who can only throw 110 pitches, Donavan Osborne, and Jose Contreras can go all the way! Leave 'em in Torre!

Enough.
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Jan 9 2005, 01:14 PM
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The point is I don't want an overused pen again, especially guys like Gordon and Rivera this year. It's not like our bullpen has had a bunch of guys that could do the job over the years. We've only had 2 or 3 guys per year, but Torre would overuse them. I'd rather let the starter go an inning more and in certain cases, finish the game./

Yeah I'm sure an injured Brown, 45 year old El Duque, pissy Mussina who can only throw 110 pitches, Donavan Osborne, and Jose Contreras can go all the way! Leave 'em in Torre!

Enough.

What are you talking about? He's done it with ALL the starting pitchers over the years.
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Jan 9 2005, 01:13 PM
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Jan 9 2005, 01:09 PM
Rob :-|
Jan 9 2005, 01:09 PM
Why would you leave a tired, old, fat Clemens in the game when you have Mariano Rivera!?  Come on, please.

Clemsn would always lose it towards the end of games, ALWAYS.  He was old!  What do you want?

So, you're telling me Clemens was being taken out in the 9th inning every situation for Rivera? That's just not true.

You're such an idiot sometimes. Seriously.

What are you talking about!? You would be the first one killing Torre for leaving Clemens or Mussina or whoever in too long and not bringing in Rivera. Now you're bitching because he would take them out?

You're acting like every situation that Torre would baby his starters and take them out was in favor of putting Rivera in in the 9th inning. THAT"s what's stupid.

Of course I don't mean every f*cking situation!! Yeah all 33 of Clemens starts a season he was taken out after 8 for Mariano. :-|
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Jan 9 2005, 01:15 PM
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Jan 9 2005, 01:13 PM
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YankeeGiantAQPHB
Jan 9 2005, 01:09 PM
Rob :-|
Jan 9 2005, 01:09 PM
Why would you leave a tired, old, fat Clemens in the game when you have Mariano Rivera!?  Come on, please.

Clemsn would always lose it towards the end of games, ALWAYS.  He was old!  What do you want?

So, you're telling me Clemens was being taken out in the 9th inning every situation for Rivera? That's just not true.

You're such an idiot sometimes. Seriously.

What are you talking about!? You would be the first one killing Torre for leaving Clemens or Mussina or whoever in too long and not bringing in Rivera. Now you're bitching because he would take them out?

You're acting like every situation that Torre would baby his starters and take them out was in favor of putting Rivera in in the 9th inning. THAT"s what's stupid.

Of course I don't mean every f*cking situation!! Yeah all 33 of Clemens starts a season he was taken out after 8 for Mariano. :-|

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The bullpen was overused last year because everyone was hurt, and Javy was sucking. We had losers like Halsey and Donovan Osborne get some starts. Then he had El Duque who could only go like 6 innings. This year will be different.
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Jan 9 2005, 01:16 PM
The bullpen was overused last year because everyone was hurt, and Javy was sucking. We had losers like Halsey and Donovan Osborne get some starts. Then he had El Duque who could only go like 6 innings. This year will be different.

We'll see. I'll bet you guys dollars to donuts he'll be putting in trash like Sturtze and Quantrill in the 8th and 9th inning of games where Johnson could easily finish off the CG like he's had no problem doing in years past.
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The point is I don't want an overused pen again, especially guys like Gordon and Rivera this year. It's not like our bullpen has had a bunch of guys that could do the job over the years. We've only had 2 or 3 guys per year, but Torre would overuse them. I'd rather let the starter go an inning more and in certain cases, finish the game./

Yeah I'm sure an injured Brown, 45 year old El Duque, pissy Mussina who can only throw 110 pitches, Donavan Osborne, and Jose Contreras can go all the way! Leave 'em in Torre!

Enough.

What are you talking about? He's done it with ALL the starting pitchers over the years.

But what pitcher throws complete games!? You're acting like Jim Kaat, this isn't 196fucking5 where pitchers throw 9 innings. Relievers get paid millions of dollars for a reason. Of course Torre is going to take them out when they are getting tired to Bring in Rivera, Wetteland, Nelson, Stanton, Gordon, ect., that's why they are there!!
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Why would you leave Johnson in? I'd rather keep him fresh, even if he can finish off a game that doesn't mean you always do it. We need these guys to feel good in August and if that means taking out RJ after 7 in a 6-1 game in favor of Sturtze, then thats what you gotta do. There's a reason Torre is paid millions of dollars to make subs while the rest of us watch games from the couch.
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Some of these guys honestly think they can do better jobs than good MLB Managers.
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Jan 9 2005, 04:35 AM
I don't know how many Mets games you guys watched last year, but Mike Stanton is garbage. He's just as bad as Heredia. Him and Franco were guaranteed blown leads. God forbid there was a runner at 1st when he came in. He wishes he gave up as few inherrited runs as Quantrill. Ask a Mets fan. If it means cutting him (how much could he make?) to free up a spot, I'd do it.

strizzle is right, i know heredia is terrible but stanton is just as bad, doug just posted the stats, stanton sucked against lefties, sh*t he sucked against everyone!!!
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Jan 9 2005, 03:37 PM
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I don't know how many Mets games you guys watched last year, but Mike Stanton is garbage. He's just as bad as Heredia. Him and Franco were guaranteed blown leads. God forbid there was a runner at 1st when he came in. He wishes he gave up as few inherrited runs as Quantrill. Ask a Mets fan. If it means cutting him (how much could he make?) to free up a spot, I'd do it.

strizzle is right, i know heredia is terrible but stanton is just as bad, doug just posted the stats, stanton sucked against lefties, sh*t he sucked against everyone!!!

Stanton's numbers aren't that bad. He gave up fewer hits than innings pitched, had a good K/9 numbers and had a 3.16 ERA. On Stanton's worst day he better than Heredia.
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I don't know how many Mets games you guys watched last year, but Mike Stanton is garbage. He's just as bad as Heredia. Him and Franco were guaranteed blown leads. God forbid there was a runner at 1st when he came in. He wishes he gave up as few inherrited runs as Quantrill. Ask a Mets fan. If it means cutting him (how much could he make?) to free up a spot, I'd do it.

strizzle is right, i know heredia is terrible but stanton is just as bad, doug just posted the stats, stanton sucked against lefties, sh*t he sucked against everyone!!!

Stanton's numbers aren't that bad. He gave up fewer hits than innings pitched, had a good K/9 numbers and had a 3.16 ERA. On Stanton's worst day he better than Heredia.

you didn't see stanton last season, he lost over 10 games for the mets on his own, he sucks!!!
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Jan 9 2005, 03:49 PM
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I don't know how many Mets games you guys watched last year, but Mike Stanton is garbage. He's just as bad as Heredia. Him and Franco were guaranteed blown leads. God forbid there was a runner at 1st when he came in. He wishes he gave up as few inherrited runs as Quantrill. Ask a Mets fan. If it means cutting him (how much could he make?) to free up a spot, I'd do it.

strizzle is right, i know heredia is terrible but stanton is just as bad, doug just posted the stats, stanton sucked against lefties, sh*t he sucked against everyone!!!

Stanton's numbers aren't that bad. He gave up fewer hits than innings pitched, had a good K/9 numbers and had a 3.16 ERA. On Stanton's worst day he better than Heredia.

you didn't see stanton last season, he lost over 10 games for the mets on his own, he sucks!!!

He won't be in the same role. Fart Howe had him pitch 2 innings every night!
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Jan 9 2005, 04:35 AM
I don't know how many Mets games you guys watched last year, but Mike Stanton is garbage. He's just as bad as Heredia. Him and Franco were guaranteed blown leads. God forbid there was a runner at 1st when he came in. He wishes he gave up as few inherrited runs as Quantrill. Ask a Mets fan. If it means cutting him (how much could he make?) to free up a spot, I'd do it.

strizzle is right, i know heredia is terrible but stanton is just as bad, doug just posted the stats, stanton sucked against lefties, sh*t he sucked against everyone!!!

Stanton's numbers aren't that bad. He gave up fewer hits than innings pitched, had a good K/9 numbers and had a 3.16 ERA. On Stanton's worst day he better than Heredia.

you didn't see stanton last season, he lost over 10 games for the mets on his own, he sucks!!!

He won't be in the same role. Fart Howe had him pitch 2 innings every night!

yeah howe would overuse him sometimes but when he would only be put it to face lefties he would get smacked, i'm telling you stanton will suck anyway torre uses him!!!
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Jan 9 2005, 01:44 PM
Some of these guys honestly think they can do better jobs than good MLB Managers.

Torre's strength is dealing with the player's egos, not his strategy during the game. You know that. It is very possible that layman Yankee fans could outmanage him strategically.
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I would have liked to have a real lefty specialist like Kline, but at least we have Felix Rodriguez and Karsay to take some of the load. Plus, much more sound starters. We're in an infinitely better position with our pitching this year than last. :rock:
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Jan 9 2005, 02:44 PM
Some of these guys honestly think they can do better jobs than good MLB Managers.

:laugh: Just me quoting that and replying, you know what he's getting at.
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Jan 9 2005, 04:49 PM
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I don't know how many Mets games you guys watched last year, but Mike Stanton is garbage. He's just as bad as Heredia. Him and Franco were guaranteed blown leads. God forbid there was a runner at 1st when he came in. He wishes he gave up as few inherrited runs as Quantrill. Ask a Mets fan. If it means cutting him (how much could he make?) to free up a spot, I'd do it.

strizzle is right, i know heredia is terrible but stanton is just as bad, doug just posted the stats, stanton sucked against lefties, sh*t he sucked against everyone!!!

Stanton's numbers aren't that bad. He gave up fewer hits than innings pitched, had a good K/9 numbers and had a 3.16 ERA. On Stanton's worst day he better than Heredia.

you didn't see stanton last season, he lost over 10 games for the mets on his own, he sucks!!!

Someone dig up Stanton's numbers with inherrited runners. If inherrited runs were charged to the pitcher who actually surrendered them, we know that Quantrill's ERA would have been FUŠKED UP. Its the same for Stanton.

And from what I recall, he was stinking down the stretch in his last season with us. I thought the Yankees let him go at the right time. Not that I'm using this as a prime example, but Giambi's homerun off him JUST landed in Tibet last week. I don't like it. I don't like him in any role. Heredia had a minute (well, atleast until Torre started trusting him) role last season and he still managed to pitch enough to piss us off. Mark this down: Michael Stanton WILL STINK.
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I don't know how many Mets games you guys watched last year, but Mike Stanton is garbage. He's just as bad as Heredia. Him and Franco were guaranteed blown leads. God forbid there was a runner at 1st when he came in. He wishes he gave up as few inherrited runs as Quantrill. Ask a Mets fan. If it means cutting him (how much could he make?) to free up a spot, I'd do it.

strizzle is right, i know heredia is terrible but stanton is just as bad, doug just posted the stats, stanton sucked against lefties, sh*t he sucked against everyone!!!

Stanton's numbers aren't that bad. He gave up fewer hits than innings pitched, had a good K/9 numbers and had a 3.16 ERA. On Stanton's worst day he better than Heredia.

you didn't see stanton last season, he lost over 10 games for the mets on his own, he sucks!!!

Someone dig up Stanton's numbers with inherrited runners. If inherrited runs were charged to the pitcher who actually surrendered them, we know that Quantrill's ERA would have been FUŠKED UP. Its the same for Stanton.

And from what I recall, he was stinking down the stretch in his last season with us. I thought the Yankees let him go at the right time. Not that I'm using this as a prime example, but Giambi's homerun off him JUST landed in Tibet last week. I don't like it. I don't like him in any role. Heredia had a minute (well, atleast until Torre started trusting him) role last season and he still managed to pitch enough to piss us off. Mark this down: Michael Stanton WILL STINK.

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strizzle that's one of your finest posts ever, i'd look up the stats but i'm too lazy to do it right now, all i know is this, i saw stanton with my own two eyes last season and he f*cking sucked!!!
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How did this evolve out of weak outfield defense?
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Jan 10 2005, 10:40 AM
How did this evolve out of weak outfield defense?

Drugs warped their minds. :busted:
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Jan 10 2005, 11:40 AM
How did this evolve out of weak outfield defense?

BC had said that we can't afford to add another OF because we resigned Ruben, the roster is already full, and we still don't have a utility man. I said that if we need to free up room on the roster, we could cut Mike Stanton (who probably doesn't make much). That's how it got to this point.

Dammit, you could have just looked up and read the quoted quotes of the original quote. Its in Justin's last post.
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