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The Coughlin Mutiny; Read This
Topic Started: Dec 26 2004, 08:30 PM (98 Views)
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Ken Palmer - The Coughlin Mutiny

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Several Giants have told The Post that they "hate" playing for Coughlin and that the club will never be successful as long as he is in charge.


"Guys absolutely hate Tom Coughlin," one Giant said. "He's not the type of coach we're going to go and put everything on the line for. Guys don't play for him; we play because we have to play and you're not going to win that way.


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"He came into a meeting the other day and asked us to support him in the media," one veteran Giant said. "He asked everybody to stand by him and support him and say the right thing."


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"Honestly, they might as well fire him now," one player said of Coughlin, who has three years and $9 million left on his contract. "The players on this team have quit on him. That's a very strong word, but mark it down: this team has quit on him and quit really caring and quit listening to what Tom Coughlin has to say."


Well, we can rule out Tiki, Eli, and Warner from the list of possible quoters.

It also says that he called one of his starters a loser. Based on the quote, sounds like it might have been Pettitgout. Also said that he questioned of his toughest guy's toughness. That sounds like it might be Toomer.

I think that we do have losers on this team and that's obvious [I won't bother to elaborate on that because you know it and you know what I think], but I don't like Coughlin. Aside from my problems with playcalling and designs, I don't think that he knows how to handle players. You instill discipline, be tough, and hold people accountable....you don't fine Steve Christie for wearing the wrong color socks. There's a difference between being a strict coach and treating the players like children by nit-picking over small sh*t. As I said before the season: the team will put up with being belittled if they're winning (refer to Gruden). Now, we're losing and his coaching/playcalling had come into question weeks ago. Combine these factors and right now, they're think he's a ball busting a-hole who can't coach.

In addition to that, I worry about free agents. This here is really trivial sh*t that'll get resolved and everyone will be optimistic come next training camp. But word spreads in the NFL. Word spreads in the media. These players aren't too smart but they can read and hear and see. They smell the sh*t coming from Giantsville. In Madden 2005, there's a "prestige" rating. You can blow all that "history and tradition of excellence" sh*t out your ass, nobody gives a f*ck about this organization. If you're a free agent who isn't a Giants fan, you don't want to come here. We're never in good cap position so overpaying you to come is out of the question. And why would you want to come to a bad team, a bad organization, and now have to play for a coach who you'll hate? Man, we can never get it right.
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Palmer is a penis. He's been writing this kind of crap since Coughlin was hired.

Although there may be some shreds of truth in it, you can't take his anti-Coughlin articles as gospel.

He WANTS a mutiny. I guess maybe he thinks if he writes it enough times it will cause a chaotic breakdown and coup.

And before anyone think I don't want to believe it because I'm one of those Coughlin worshippers: I'm NOT a Coughlin fan.
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strider - if players cant follow his simple rules, what makes you think they could be disciplined on the feild and for example not flase start or stay in their lanes. Coughlin is weeding out the good from the bad.

Is it that difficult to wear the right color socks or show up on time, if you cant do that you obviously dont want to play, because he told em exactly what will happen if they break his rules.
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The media (especially The Post) would love a mutiny. It gives them something interesting to write. Hell, I'm sure The Post would love nothing more than to have a "Tom Coughlin is Gay" article. But, Palmer didn't pull this out of his ass. There has to be some truth. If he cares about his career, those quotes were true. You can talk about the media twisting things and exaggerating to fill columns and get attention, but the quotes are there. If those aren't true, then you'll have all the Giants coming out and saying, "Nobody said that." It was anonymous so it would be the entire team who comes out and says that it didn't go like that. If that happens, then Palmer loses all credibility, his job, and his chance to work as a writer again. He ain't risking all that to write about a mutinty he pulled out of his ass.
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Dec 26 2004, 09:49 PM
strider - if players cant follow his simple rules, what makes you think they could be disciplined on the feild and for example not flase start or stay in their lanes. Coughlin is weeding out the good from the bad.

Is it that difficult to wear the right color socks or show up on time, if you cant do that you obviously dont want to play, because he told em exactly what will happen if they break his rules.

With the lateness: We talked about this when Barret Green was benched and fined. You have to punish a player for lateness. That's part of instilling discipline and teaching responsibility. However, you are a football coach who coaches a football team in a football league and you're in the business of winning football games. You don't jeopordize the team's chacnes of winning to punish someone. You're cutting your head off to spite your neck....that kills you. Just like benching key players. You fine them heavily, you force them to make up for the time missed with extra drills in practice, you bust their ass. You don't hurt the team just to show that you mean business. Your job isn't to be Big Bad Bossman, its to win games. That's the primary objective.

With the fines: Steve Christie is older than Tom Coughlin. Its not during a game (the NFL would have fined him), but you're making a big deal out of the color of the man's socks. You're treating him like a child and grown men, grown men who play football, manly men, don't respond well to that. It looks silly and picayune. And it is. I could understand Christie getting fined for his kickoffs that come down at midfield, but what do the man's socks have to do with football?

If you didn't read the rest, read this part:

Its like a teacher who spends so much time trying to make sure that everyone is paying attention and everyone is behaving that they forget to teach the lesson. You're a teacher and the main focus should be on teaching. Mrs. Welsch should be more worried about going over the lesson than what color socks Lil' Billy has got on.
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making sure everyone is behaving aint all of it, part of it is making sure you teach em to listen to you, again i ask you if they cant listen to you by showing up on time, why would they listen to you when it comes to staying in their lanes.
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When you have an owner who is a Dinosaur and a GM who is a Dinosaur you hire a coach who is a Dinosaur. But, one thing to remember, these aholes quit on Fassel last year and he is a player’s coach.
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they've lost 8 games in a row.

That builds hate.

As far sa that 1st quote, thats bullsh*t, they played their asses off the last 2 games
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doug and bowwow's sunshine is blinding my eyes!!!

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Dec 26 2004, 10:29 PM
making sure everyone is behaving aint all of it, part of it is making sure you teach em to listen to you, again i ask you if they cant listen to you by showing up on time, why would they listen to you when it comes to staying in their lanes.

Are the Eagles a good disciplined team that listens to their coach? How come Andy Reid is one of the most popular coaches in the league? Even Schottenheimer is held in high regard throughout the league. I don't even have to say much about Parcells. But Tom Coughlin is the most hated coach in the league. As I said before, there's a way to get them disciplined and held accountable without stepping on toes and having them hate you.

And since you wanna suck his ass - Tell me about the free agents. Last year we heard from some "anonymous top free agent" that he would never go to the Giants because of Coughlin. He's heard things from guys who played for him. Add that to the fact that they're hearing more sh*t now from his current team. As I said, you wouldn't wanna come here. We never have enough cap space (and Wellington is stingy) so its not as if we're gonna blow out competition in the bidding. What the f*ck do we have that's attractive? Bad team, bad organization, less money, and a coach that everyone says I'll hate. Free agent says: "You out your damn mind? The Giants can kiss my ass!"
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Coughlin gets next year to prove he can coach. If this team embarrasses yet again, he should not be around for the third and final year of his contract.

Strider, I know what you are saying, but you can't let a guy go after one year. We didn't have any expectations for this year's team. Let's expect improvement next year. If they continue to be this mediocre, he's gone.
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Hell no, I don't want or expect him to be fired. He's got 3 years and $9M left on his contract. The Giants organization would look like an even bigger joke than it already does if (1) they hire a coach who was picked out by the owner and he was supposed to be Mr. Fix It and then fire him after one season (2) after paying Fassel $2.5M to not be here, they go and do the same thing a year later. He'll be here for atleast another 2 years.

I'm not blaming Coughlin for the losing. I'd put that on this group of losers and Accorsi for loading the roster with them. I blame him for the lack of creativity in the playcalling and design, for being stubborn and unwilling to take input from players (until Eli got through to him somehow), and for not being able to handle players well. I'm sure you read my other posts in this thread. He's picking at small sh*t and overreacting to other stuff. He has to remember that his main goal is to put players in the best position to win games (which he hasn't done a good job of, based on playcalling). Not that the team would be winning anyway, but he hasn't put them in good position to succeed. He also needs to cut out the silly rules that have nothing to do with football. You can't fine a 40 year old man for his socks and expect everyone to take you seriously. You don't bench your best player at 2 positions just to make a point. That goes against your job, which is to best help the team win games.

I'm not enamored with him (put him on the sh*t list a few weeks back) but I want to see what he can do next year w/ more of his guys, a full year in this system, and a more experienced Eli.
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but is it that f*cking HARD TO SHOW UP ON TIME!!!!
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Dec 27 2004, 11:15 AM
but is it that f*cking HARD TO SHOW UP ON TIME!!!!

That question becomes applicable if you can find where I said that they shouldn't be punished for lateness.

I said that Coughlin has to punish them and let them know that punctuality is important. But you don't do it at the expense of winning. You fine them out the wah-zoo. You force Peterson and Green to make up for it by busting their asses extra hard in practice. The coach's #1 objective is to put his players in the best position to win the game. You fail to meet that objective if you're benching your best linebacker and corner. Hurting the team to make a point is futile and stupid.
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so what you are saying is not to bench their best players, i could kinda agree with that

all of this is mute if we are winning :annoyed:
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I wonder how Mr. Snee is punished by grandpa during practices. "You're 2 seconds late. None of my daughter's pussy for five years for you"
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Dec 27 2004, 11:28 AM
I wonder how Mr. Snee is punished by grandpa during practices. "You're 2 seconds late. None of my daughter's pussy for five years for you"

lol, i hope his daughter is at least hot
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Atleast things dont change.

If you show up late when we're 4-1 you get benched for week 6

If you show up late when we're 5-9 you get benched for week 16

whether its right or wrong (and its wrong as hell to take your pro bowl CB off Chad Johnson) atleast its consistent.

Give him another off-season to put his team toghether. Theres still alot of holdovers from the country club
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LFW, I know you enjoyed the "Play of the Year"
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LFW, I know you enjoyed the "Play of the Year"

I do. Is it Tom White or a member of his crew? I hate that guy the most
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Officials

Referee: Ron Winter (14)
Line Judge: Tom Stephan (68)
Field Judge: Greg Gautreaux (80)
Umpire: Jeff Rice (44)
Side Judge: Michael Banks (72)
Replay Official: Ken Baker
Head Linesman: Tony Veteri (36)
Back Judge: Perry Paganelli (46)
Video Operator: Jim Grant


No such luck.
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