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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 15 2004, 03:30 PM (232 Views) | |
| VICTORious | Nov 15 2004, 07:30 PM Post #31 |
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ya i do i didnt tape the game so i dont quite remember/know what happened but the fact is the offensive line cant pick up the blitz ***i wish they had games on with an endzone ariel view to tape on the next day or on tape/dvd and available to buy, no replays/timeouts just the plays and penalties, they should put these games on one of the nfl networks, if you get an ariel view you could see exactly who is open and all that other good stuff. |
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| Strider | Nov 15 2004, 07:31 PM Post #32 |
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And the bullet to the spine is the fact that we don't have the '05 first rounder. That means a hell of a lot when you're talking about this organization and this general manager. We had cap room this off season and Accorsi, in an interview with giants.com, said that our biggest need is the offensive line and that he's gonna focus on that and that's where most of the money would be spent. He even assured the fans that we had enough cap space to address our needs and fill the holes. Even if we have cap room this, (they wouldn't be the Giants if they did)there's no reason to believe that he'll get it done this off season. Needing a guard and tackle (2, but Pettitgout), all we'll have is a 2nd round pick. We'll finish between 7-9 and 9-7. That's certainly not bad enough to earn you a top 2nd round slot. Needing those positions filled (and others), we'll be armed with the 46th pick in the draft. Eli (if he doesn't get his leg broken before this season ends) will step behind another makeshift line (maybe with Whittle and Diehl out and "depth" in), needing time to "gel and build cohesion". The cycle starts again. |
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| Njdevils350 | Nov 15 2004, 07:33 PM Post #33 |
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yeah, yu can see things from the TV angle if you slow it down and watch 2-3 times though. I had a stroke this morning when I saw Warner miss that TD pass to Barber. I guess in a way its good bc/ if I saw that during the game I would've broken something. |
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| TheOne | Nov 15 2004, 10:09 PM Post #34 |
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this news just made my week, sure the o-line is sh*t, we all know that BUT warner has to take some of the blame too, i'm tired of him running with the ball like he's michael vick, overthrowing receivers, underthrowing receivers and just plain missing receivers it's time for a change, warner doesn't have the arm strength anymore, he isn't a good QB anymore, it's ELI TIME BITCHES!!! :rock: :rock: :rock: |
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| BostonBoy17 | Nov 15 2004, 10:27 PM Post #35 |
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| Strider | Nov 16 2004, 11:56 AM Post #36 |
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You don't know what you're talking about. After you said that Warner deserves some of the blame (which is correct), you were off. He hasn't lost any arm stregnth. He's never had the cannon arm. What he had/has is pretty good arm stregnth and accuracy. In St. Louis, he didn't have to gun laser beams 60 yards downfield. He'd float up the deep balls and let Holt, Bruce, and Hakim use their speed to run under them. Also, those guys got YAC. Amani Toomer catches a ball that travels 11 yards in the air, its an 11 yard catch. Tory Holt catches a ball that traveled 11 yards, there's a chance it turns into a 30 yard reception. There's the difference. Those guys could also get open quick and give him a target to throw to on quick releases. Also, during the Rams run, he had the great line that would buy him time for the deep throws. I'd feel a lot safter with my back turned knowing that Orlando Pace and Adam Timmerman are blocking than I would with Luke Pettitgout and Jason Whittle. |
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Nov 16 2004, 05:14 PM Post #37 |
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Dude, you're so banned
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And yet Petitgout gets paid like he's around the same level as Orlando Pace. Disgraceful |
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| Njdevils350 | Nov 16 2004, 05:20 PM Post #38 |
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the sad part is you're not joking. At most theres a 1.5 mil difference in salary between Pace and Petitgout. Thats at most. |
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| Giambi_MVP_25 | Nov 16 2004, 05:30 PM Post #39 |
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Petitgout and Williams...2 overpaid trashes. :furious: |
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Nov 16 2004, 05:31 PM Post #40 |
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Dude, you're so banned
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Reasons why this team can't make an impact during the off-season. |
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| TheOne | Nov 16 2004, 06:27 PM Post #41 |
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don't give me that bullsh*t, i see with my two eyes what he does, joe and sid were talking about it yesterday morning on wfan, all kurt does is float balls up in the air, sure he's never has a marino type arm but he's had a better one then he has now, he doesn't have holt and isaac bruce to save his ass on those floating balls anymore but he never overthrew or underthrew a ball to holt or bruce! let's not forget the happy feet he gets after getting hit once, he does just fine for the first 2 or 3 series but once he gets hit he does an electric slide dance all over the field, strider stop sucking warner and ron dayne's dicks, they both suck, kurt is a little bitch!!! |
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| Strider | Nov 16 2004, 07:22 PM Post #42 |
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Doug, tell Justin about the Giants first offensive play in the Arizona game. I haven't watched the tape, but I recall Warner drilling one to Toomer, linedrive. Tom Coughlin has said that Warner isn't setting his feet on a lot of his throws because the rush has gotten to him in his head (to his body too). I'm telling you, cuz I was on Warner's dick from St. Louis, his arm stregnth was never great and what he had he still has. You're going on sh*t you heard from Sid and Joe. Remember what Amani Toomer had said to Joe when they had that _____, "You love football, but you don't know football." The same Benigno was saying in 2002 that Brady has a weak arm. If you watch him enough, you know that Brady has a great arm, its just that his offense doesn't call on him to use it that much. Brady's arm is stronger than Peyton's (gasp!). I'm telling you, Warner doesn't have bitch arm. With all that said, I'm off the dick. I still like him and I'll continue to root for him wherever he goes, but I no longer think that he's a great QB. Right now, I think he can be a good QB in a perfect system. But that ain't this. |
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| TheOne | Nov 16 2004, 07:52 PM Post #43 |
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like i said he's good in the first 3 or 4 offensive series of the game and once he gets hit that's it, he does a happy dance all over the field, yeah i bet warner and dayne would be perfect in a system designed for them, i'm sure they'll do great in strider's fantasy football team!!! :peace: |
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| VICTORious | Nov 16 2004, 08:43 PM Post #44 |
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you love changing the subject first you were saying warner's arm has gotten worse, now that you have been proven wrong you say he is good in the first two series and after that he gets worse, going by the numbers its true but its absurd, they are conditioned well enough. re: dayne and the system, yes he would do good in a system designed for him. In college he ran in a good system against top notch athletes. This current system is not a dayne system the blockers open up cutback lanes and rely on tiki to see the hole wherever it will be. With dayne if the hole is not where it is supposed to be he loses his accelaration trying to dance to it, dayne without accelaration is garbage. But if the hole opens up and dayne gets to the second level he is explosive. |
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| Chilli Cheese | Nov 16 2004, 08:58 PM Post #45 |
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This idea floating around out there that the Giants are giving up on the season because the are putting Eli Manning in is downright wrong! As I said earlier in the year when the Giants were doing well, anyone can beat anyone in the NFL on any Sunday. Yeah their O-Line hasn't played great as of late, but last week they got 2 of their starters back after missing two weeks. I would also have to say that about half of the sacks are Warner's fault. The offensive players the Giants have aren't the same ones that he had in St.Louis. He waits to long and thinks there is all of a sudden gonna be a play after sitting in the pocket for 4 seconds. I can't tell you how many times I've seen him take a sack after waiting back in that pocket for about 4 seconds. If the line was really THAT bad, he wouldn't have that much time to begin with. Eli will throw the ball quicker and they will play better around him knowing that he is a rookie. The Giants will win this week. After losing to Atlanta's two backup QB'slast two years, they will beat their starting QB on sunday. |
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| BaseballFan4 | Nov 16 2004, 09:14 PM Post #46 |
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Even though Eli is a nice change of pace, the O-Line concerns me a lot. The evidence is right there. 39 sacks in the past couple of weeks. Eli isn't going have that luxury of standing in the pocket. |
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| Njdevils350 | Nov 16 2004, 10:17 PM Post #47 |
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A couple things....... Warner doesnt have a bitch arm and he doesnt have a cannon. He puts something on it when he has too (tight spaces). A couple examples from sunday are the deep in on the 1st play that Strider reffered too and the Pump N' Go to Taylor tha was dropped. It has nothing to do with the first "3 or 4 series" Warner is Warner throughout the game. When they drive and when they go 3 and out he is what he is. It doesnt change on whether or not they score. Taope a game and watch it and you'll see what im talking about. Did the pressure get in his head by the 4th qtr? ABSOLUTLEY It was blantantly obvious from watching the tape Fact is, Warner is Warner. He hold the ball on average 3.5- 4.5 seconds, He's accurate, he holds the ball with 1 hand in the pocket, any pass that he puts air under (goes high in the air) wobbles, when he feels pressure his release point gets low and his passes get tipped. He's not an MVP, he doesnt suck. And he's not the right QB for this offense anymore |
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| TheOne | Nov 16 2004, 10:19 PM Post #48 |
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bowwow here i have something for you: Posted Image |
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| TheOne | Nov 16 2004, 10:20 PM Post #49 |
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warner turns into a bitch once he gets hit for the first time, look at the game tape again, he was pretty good for the first couple of series, once he got hit he got happy feet and turned into a bitch!!! |
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| Njdevils350 | Nov 16 2004, 10:22 PM Post #50 |
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No he wasnt, I broke the tape in anger, but there are things I remember now i gotta go look at my review thread to make you understand |
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| TheOne | Nov 16 2004, 10:24 PM Post #51 |
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warner's a bitch but i'm glad you broke the tape, i would have too!!! :peace: |
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