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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 15 2004, 03:30 PM (233 Views) | |
| amit | Nov 15 2004, 03:30 PM Post #1 |
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Just heard it on Mike and the Maddog. |
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| Njdevils350 | Nov 15 2004, 03:31 PM Post #2 |
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If you're f*ckin with me i'll end your life |
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| amit | Nov 15 2004, 03:32 PM Post #3 |
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Lizard King
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LOL, no, I'm not f*cking with you. |
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| Njdevils350 | Nov 15 2004, 03:34 PM Post #4 |
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Good, I just saw it on ESPNEWS |
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| Giambi_MVP_25 | Nov 15 2004, 03:36 PM Post #5 |
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Misunderstood Genius
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rock: This calls for celebration :D |
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| Strider | Nov 15 2004, 03:42 PM Post #6 |
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Just heard it on ESPN News. This is good, but as I said yesterday, he's not gonna fix all the problems, if any. This is more a change because what we had before wasn't working. Props to Coughlin though. If nothing else, Eli will atleast gain some experience and we'll see some of what we'll have. :clap: |
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| Giambi_MVP_25 | Nov 15 2004, 03:58 PM Post #7 |
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Misunderstood Genius
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Agreed. We're gonna be 5-6 anyway. The season is done. We might as well start playing for the future. |
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Nov 15 2004, 04:47 PM Post #8 |
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Dude, you're so banned
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The only thing that sucks about this season is that we get no compensation in terms of a first round draft pick for this disappointing dropoff. Manning better have been worth it. |
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| VICTORious | Nov 15 2004, 06:06 PM Post #9 |
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you all got your wish but i still maintain that its is mostly on the offensive line |
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| Venom | Nov 15 2004, 06:10 PM Post #10 |
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May the Force be with you
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| Strider | Nov 15 2004, 06:25 PM Post #11 |
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Rob, aren't you Captain Sunshine on this board? Bowwow is right. It is mostly the offensive line. Tape the Atlanta game and watch that sh*t. You'll see some sh*t that you didn't think was possible from an NFL line. Sadly, Eli will be seeing that sh*t up close and feeling it. Not saying that Warner isn't to blame, partially, but Peyton Manning wouldn't be doing sh*t behind these c*cksuckers. Mike and Dog pointed out that Alex Brown (4 sacks) and Bertrand Berry (4 sacks) are both right defensive ends. They line up across from our $30M star left tackle. That's 8 sacks given up in 2 games. Guys like Orlando Pace (even when Warner was there) wouldn't give up more than 2 sacks IN A SEASON. Damn I hate that a-hole. Him and Shuan Williams disgust me so much. And they both make $30M. Them and Ernie Accorsi disgust me so much. |
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| Njdevils350 | Nov 15 2004, 06:43 PM Post #12 |
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Not totally. It was probably half and half on sunday. |
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Nov 15 2004, 06:47 PM Post #13 |
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Petitgout is trash, Strider. You're right. Those fat right ends, Brown and Berry, went right by him. I don't even think they were speed-rushers either. They looked like fatasses that just got right by him. |
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| Njdevils350 | Nov 15 2004, 06:48 PM Post #14 |
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*deihl gave up 2 to Berry |
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Nov 15 2004, 06:49 PM Post #15 |
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I think a lot of people are underscoring the problem, whether it's saying Kurt's to blame or it's the O-line's to blame. It appears to me that the line is horrible, but some of Warner's sacks result from his inability to think quick and get rid of the ball. I don't think it's fair to say it's completely the line or completely Warner. A few different plays will show that sometimes it's Warner, sometime's it the line. But I will say this, not many QBs could rake up the passing yardage with this Oline. Even Petitgout, making the big bucks, gets burned regularly. |
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Nov 15 2004, 06:51 PM Post #16 |
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You're right. I forgot Petitgout had the concussion. Strider was right about Diehl though from last year. People praised him, basically because he was a late draft pick that was a regular starter on the line. But when you watch, Diehl is pretty average. We could definitely use a LT that could move Petitgout to RT. Petitgout makes too much to cut. |
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| Njdevils350 | Nov 15 2004, 06:53 PM Post #17 |
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Its definatley both. The O-Line is usually fine with a 4 man rush but they're f*cked if anyone comes from anywhere else. Warner locks onto recievers and doesnt see the whole field (He had an EASY 60 YD TD TO BARBER :fyou: :fyou: :fyou: :fyou: :fyou: :fyou: :fyou: ) but he was locked on Toomer. And he holds the ball too long or doesnt sit in the pocket Its both, Deihl cant be the RT next year. from watching the tape I have a new hatred for him |
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Nov 15 2004, 06:56 PM Post #18 |
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Yeah, Diehl's trash. It seems Seubert is our best lineman and he's been out for a year. You're right about the blitzing. When we blitz, it's picked up. When they blitz, we can't pick it up. |
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| Strider | Nov 15 2004, 06:57 PM Post #19 |
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Yeah, some of the blame is on Warner. As I pointed out in other posts, there have been plays where there's someone open and he hesitates to throw it or doesn't even look to that side of the field. No question, he has to be blamed. But, the line has been a joke. I don't care if you have Peyton Manning w/ Mike Vick's legs back there, he would fail. 3/5 guys on our offensive line should be backups. LFW, atleast Pettitgout didn't get called for any penalties. |
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Nov 15 2004, 07:01 PM Post #20 |
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Why the hell didn't we sign that guy from San Francisco who was cut that didn't allow many sacks, Deese? There was a couple solid tackles that were dropped that we didn't pickup. |
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| Strider | Nov 15 2004, 07:03 PM Post #21 |
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Was Barber on the left side of the field? From watching the tape, that's what I picked up on. He misses guys open to his left.
You would hate Wayne Lucier even more if you saw the Bears tape. Tell this sh*t to Rob. He seems to think that its all Warner. You really pick up on a lot of sh*t when you watch the game over and put certain plays in slow motion. When its live, you're usually only focused on the guy who has the ball. When you can rewind and slow it down, you see the bullsh*t that goes on with these idiots. I give Coughlin credit for not having attacked one of the linemen yet. |
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Nov 15 2004, 07:06 PM Post #22 |
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Lucier must have some secret photos to still be in the NFL. He sucked last year. He sucks this year. I also think we need to get some blacks on the line. Every guy we have, I believe, is white. This isn't 1950. |
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| Strider | Nov 15 2004, 07:07 PM Post #23 |
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Feeling that he had already solidified the line with Shuan O'Hara and Barry Stokes, Accorsi focused his attention on adding depth (a.k.a. the injured reserve list). I didn't even think of Deese. I wanted Tait, but he wasn't a release who could have been signed cheap. The people that I got worked up over were Pete Kendall and Ruben Brown. |
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| Njdevils350 | Nov 15 2004, 07:10 PM Post #24 |
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I have the play marked in bold in my breakdown thread. To my recollection it was early 4th qtr. 3rd down and we lijned up SB Split Left. Tooomer ran a quick slant and Barber slipped underneath the slant (same side, he was looking right at it) The safety slid inside and bit on the slant. All Warner had to do was flip the ball to the flat and it would've been a race down the sideline best case scenario for the Cards would've been someone chasing him down from the other side of the field inside the 10. He completely ingored 1 side of the field atleast 5 times btw.
Yeah, well Rob doesnt think anything beneficial can come from the game tape.....for example im sure Rob doesnt know how many times Deihl failed to step out to the edge and pick up a blitz yesterday. It was terrible. You know what was good too? they blitzed the Mike on the play, Chris Snee f*ckin moved out the wayt like a mac truck was coming My God |
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Nov 15 2004, 07:11 PM Post #25 |
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With the contract Petitgout takes up, we could have signed probably both Deese and Ruben Brown. I would take a line of LT- Deese LG- Whittle C- O'Hara RG- Brown RT- Someone cheap that would do a hellova lot better than Diehl |
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| Strider | Nov 15 2004, 07:15 PM Post #26 |
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I noticed that earlier in the year. We might be the only o-line in the league with no blacks. We had Ian Allen (the only o-lineman I might hate more than Pettitgout) last year. Whether it comes in the form of a black guy, a white guy, or a Samoan, we need a nasty mo'f*cker on the line. A guy who hates everyone not wearing the same uniform as him and football is the only reason he doesn't attack random people in public. A real animal. You've got these soft pussies on the line (sorry Diehl, your tattoo doesn't make you hard). Eli got shoved over by Mike Rucker in the pre season and they just stood there. We need a beast who would play like an animal and bring some intensity to these Club Med a-holes. I'm not sure, but I think that Nat Dorsey was still on the board when we took Chris Snee. He's having a good year for the Vikings. Snee has been alright, but at the time and now, I feel that we needed a tackle more. |
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Nov 15 2004, 07:17 PM Post #27 |
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Like you said before, Strider, in the name of making sure there'd be no road pussy for Mr. Snee, we cost ourselves next years first rounder or a bigger need than guard. |
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| VICTORious | Nov 15 2004, 07:20 PM Post #28 |
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i know the oline isnt completly to blame BUT as strider said not many qbs can make plays when they have a rusher going at you unblocked or if you have their end on a crappy blocking te. btw the only two people on the offensive line who have impressed me is ohara and snee (yes snee he has made mistakes (especially penalty wise, but is good and will only get better). |
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| Strider | Nov 15 2004, 07:21 PM Post #29 |
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If it wasn't our team, this sh*t would crack us up for months. You're watching it and you're like, "Wait a minute....wait a minute. Can that happen?" Wayne Lucier didn't TOUCH ANYONE. The mother f*cker was looking the other way, the other way, while the DT was running behind his back. Like Metal Gear Solid. The guy was just standing there looking to the right. They came right behind his back. He didn't even turn around. And out on LT, Winey's set up like he's blocking an outside rush while the DE and the blitzing WLB run to the inside. |
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| Njdevils350 | Nov 15 2004, 07:23 PM Post #30 |
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That was actually Petitgouts fault. They brough a LB blitz to that side and it waqs a play action. Instead off pass blocking (dropping back) Petitgout starts to run block (move forward) and that gives Berry a lane to the QB after the blocker. What should've happened: Petitgout steps back takes his man and is in the lane where Berry would get to the QB. Now Shockey can just take him wide to the outside and theres your pocket? Get what I mean? |
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