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In response to what I've read about Manning vs. Warner:

Eli wouldn't hold the ball as long as Warner, but it adds up to the same thing. You're gonna say, "Eli would know to get rid of the ball on the 3rd drop and avoid the sack." Problem with that is we don't have any receivers who are speedsters and can get themselves separation because of fear of them going deep. The defenses would just put press coverage on Toomer and Hilliard. What are they gonna do, jab step and run by them like Marvin Harrison? Stutter step and breeze by like Tory Holt? Then when Eli goes to release the ball on that 3rd step, he sees that nobody is open yet and to avoid the sack (like we expect him to do), he throws it. Hopefully its an incompletion. It might not be as annoying as a sack, but incompletions = empty possessions.

Its not that simple. I want Manning starting next week, but I'd be silly to expect him to do much better, just because he's throwing the ball sooner. Right now, we don't have the personell. I've been complaing for years about the need for a gamebreaking receiver. If you wanna run an offense suited for Manning, you'll need one of those. And I think its evident, even to the novice football fans that we need to improve the offensive line. David Diehl and Jason Whittle will have to be replaced before you can expect a good line. I'd love to add Pettitgout to that list, but he's under contract for $30M.
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In response to what I've read about Manning vs. Warner:

Eli wouldn't hold the ball as long as Warner, but it adds up to the same thing. You're gonna say, "Eli would know to get rid of the ball on the 3rd drop and avoid the sack." Problem with that is we don't have any receivers who are speedsters and can get themselves separation because of fear of them going deep. The defenses would just put press coverage on Toomer and Hilliard. What are they gonna do, jab step and run by them like Marvin Harrison? Stutter step and breeze by like Tory Holt? Then when Eli goes to release the ball on that 3rd step, he sees that nobody is open yet and to avoid the sack (like we expect him to do), he throws it. Hopefully its an incompletion. It might not be as annoying as a sack, but incompletions = empty possessions.

Its not that simple. I want Manning starting next week, but I'd be silly to expect him to do much better, just because he's throwing the ball sooner. Right now, we don't have the personell. I've been complaing for years about the need for a gamebreaking receiver. If you wanna run an offense suited for Manning, you'll need one of those. And I think its evident, even to the novice football fans that we need to improve the offensive line. David Diehl and Jason Whittle will have to be replaced before you can expect a good line. I'd love to add Pettitgout to that list, but he's under contract for $30M.

Of course if Manning plays he will struggle. He'll probably force the ball a fe times under pressure and throw 2-3 INT's. Thats the trade off with him probably not getting sacked 7 times.

Sire theres gonna be a few times when he'll walk up to the line and wont know sh*t about whats going on.

Hell, the first 2 weeks he might even actually get sacked as much as Warner.

I'll take it. We have to go throught the growing pains at some point, the sooner we start the sooner it ends.

The deciding factor should be that Warner has played poorly enough to loose the job for 5 weeks now
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Nov 14 2004, 08:07 PM
In response to what I've read about Manning vs. Warner:

Eli wouldn't hold the ball as long as Warner, but it adds up to the same thing. You're gonna say, "Eli would know to get rid of the ball on the 3rd drop and avoid the sack." Problem with that is we don't have any receivers who are speedsters and can get themselves separation because of fear of them going deep. The defenses would just put press coverage on Toomer and Hilliard. What are they gonna do, jab step and run by them like Marvin Harrison? Stutter step and breeze by like Tory Holt? Then when Eli goes to release the ball on that 3rd step, he sees that nobody is open yet and to avoid the sack (like we expect him to do), he throws it. Hopefully its an incompletion. It might not be as annoying as a sack, but incompletions = empty possessions.

Its not that simple. I want Manning starting next week, but I'd be silly to expect him to do much better, just because he's throwing the ball sooner. Right now, we don't have the personell. I've been complaing for years about the need for a gamebreaking receiver. If you wanna run an offense suited for Manning, you'll need one of those. And I think its evident, even to the novice football fans that we need to improve the offensive line. David Diehl and Jason Whittle will have to be replaced before you can expect a good line. I'd love to add Pettitgout to that list, but he's under contract for $30M.

Of course if Manning plays he will struggle. He'll probably force the ball a fe times under pressure and throw 2-3 INT's. Thats the trade off with him probably not getting sacked 7 times.

Sire theres gonna be a few times when he'll walk up to the line and wont know sh*t about whats going on.

Hell, the first 2 weeks he might even actually get sacked as much as Warner.

I'll take it. We have to go throught the growing pains at some point, the sooner we start the sooner it ends.

The deciding factor should be that Warner has played poorly enough to loose the job for 5 weeks now

exactly, i couldn't have said it any better myself!!!
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exactly, i couldn't have said it any better myself!!!


Going in (well actually we're not cuz Coughlin won't bench Warner), we know that, but there'd still be complaints. If Manning was throwing a bunch of INTs, there would be posts here complaining about it. Might even be a couple posts saying, "This f*cking doofy moron. I don't care if he's a a high school kid, you can't make that throw. We should have kept our f*cking picks and taken Roethlisberger." Again, I want Eli starting next week (although its not happening), but I don't think that you guys are gonna be satisfied. I won't be satisfied either until its the off-season and we address our needs.

Does anyone remember me complaing before the season about the o-line? I said that we don't just need to improve it because Warner is a statue, but so that we can have it set up for 2005 when Eli is stepping in. You don't want in 2005, Eli is behind another group of so-so blockers who were just added to the team in the off season because the 2004 a-holes couldn't do the job. That creates the bullsh*t we've been hearing for years. "These are guys are new. They haven't had enough time to gel." You don't want Eli behind that so you go hard in 2004 to fix the line so that they're already gelled and together and have chemistry with each other going into 2005. Even if Manning does start the rest of this season and goes into '05 with experience, it won't add up to much if we still have this personell. We need a gamebreaking receiver (can't go into another year counting on Carter and Hilliard ain't it) and we need to imrpove at RT and LG. Should have been addressed already though.
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our o line was bad on paper and in the preseason but up until the last few weeks they have been pretty damn good
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exactly, i couldn't have said it any better myself!!!


Going in (well actually we're not cuz Coughlin won't bench Warner), we know that, but there'd still be complaints. If Manning was throwing a bunch of INTs, there would be posts here complaining about it. Might even be a couple posts saying, "This f*cking doofy moron. I don't care if he's a a high school kid, you can't make that throw. We should have kept our f*cking picks and taken Roethlisberger." Again, I want Eli starting next week (although its not happening), but I don't think that you guys are gonna be satisfied. I won't be satisfied either until its the off-season and we address our needs.

Does anyone remember me complaing before the season about the o-line? I said that we don't just need to improve it because Warner is a statue, but so that we can have it set up for 2005 when Eli is stepping in. You don't want in 2005, Eli is behind another group of so-so blockers who were just added to the team in the off season because the 2004 a-holes couldn't do the job. That creates the bullsh*t we've been hearing for years. "These are guys are new. They haven't had enough time to gel." You don't want Eli behind that so you go hard in 2004 to fix the line so that they're already gelled and together and have chemistry with each other going into 2005. Even if Manning does start the rest of this season and goes into '05 with experience, it won't add up to much if we still have this personell. We need a gamebreaking receiver (can't go into another year counting on Carter and Hilliard ain't it) and we need to imrpove at RT and LG. Should have been addressed already though.

If Manning started next week and thre 5 int's I PROMISE I wont complain. I'll probably be happy about it in a f*cked up way

We need to sign a LT and move Petitogut to the right and move Deihl back inside.
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It wasn't a "damn good" job, it was an OK job. David Diehl was still allowing guys to run right past him. The thing is that teams weren't blitzing as much and Chris Snee, Jason Whittle, and Wayne Lucier (well, he wasn't playing then) hadn't been exposed yet. Just like the success we've had in the first quarters of our last couple games. The blitz isn't coming as much. Then in the second half, they send ONE mother f*cker and the offense can't function.
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We need to sign a LT and move Petitogut to the right and move Deihl back inside.


I wanted a LT last off season. Remember how many times I mentioned John Tait? If we had signed John Tait, it kills two birds with one contract. Pettitgout moves over to RT (where he was better) and instead of having to deal with the speedy pass rushers (most team's best pass rusher is the RE) who give him trouble, he goes up against the slower run stopper. Also, remember when Ruben Brown was released and I wanted him? We'd have a good RG. Chris Snee would be over at LG, Whittle would either be on the bench or not here, and David Diehl would be 5th round depth. AND, we'd have quality talent on the offensive line gelling 'n sh*t this season, getting ready to keep Eli's uniform clean in 2005. But instead, we signed "DEPTH", most of which was placed on injured reserve before the season started.

Gibril Wilson in the 5th round - :dance:
Jamaar Taylor - :thumbup:
Signing Shaun O'Hara - :thumbup:
Signing Fred Robbins - :clap: -> In my face
Going after worthless crap that didn't even play - :thumbdown:
Not going after John Tait - :furious:
Not going hard after Ruben Brown and Pete Kendall when they were released - :fyou:
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Nov 14 2004, 09:03 PM
It wasn't a "damn good" job, it was an OK job. David Diehl was still allowing guys to run right past him. The thing is that teams weren't blitzing as much and Chris Snee, Jason Whittle, and Wayne Lucier (well, he wasn't playing then) hadn't been exposed yet. Just like the success we've had in the first quarters of our last couple games. The blitz isn't coming as much. Then in the second half, they send ONE mother f*cker and the offense can't function.

for some reason they started blitzing because carter went down, teams arent afraid anymore of our attack, they know if they get stuffed on the blitz the most that could happen is a 15 yard pass to toomer who gets tackled immediatly, before they were afraid of carter.
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In response to what I've read about Manning vs. Warner:

Eli wouldn't hold the ball as long as Warner, but it adds up to the same thing. You're gonna say, "Eli would know to get rid of the ball on the 3rd drop and avoid the sack." Problem with that is we don't have any receivers who are speedsters and can get themselves separation because of fear of them going deep. The defenses would just put press coverage on Toomer and Hilliard. What are they gonna do, jab step and run by them like Marvin Harrison? Stutter step and breeze by like Tory Holt? Then when Eli goes to release the ball on that 3rd step, he sees that nobody is open yet and to avoid the sack (like we expect him to do), he throws it. Hopefully its an incompletion. It might not be as annoying as a sack, but incompletions = empty possessions.

Its not that simple. I want Manning starting next week, but I'd be silly to expect him to do much better, just because he's throwing the ball sooner. Right now, we don't have the personell. I've been complaing for years about the need for a gamebreaking receiver. If you wanna run an offense suited for Manning, you'll need one of those. And I think its evident, even to the novice football fans that we need to improve the offensive line. David Diehl and Jason Whittle will have to be replaced before you can expect a good line. I'd love to add Pettitgout to that list, but he's under contract for $30M.

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I don't give a f*ck. You'd have to be an idiot to think that Eli was going to come in and lead the Giants to 10-6 and a playoff spot!! He going to struggle, but the sooner he struggles the sooner we'll see what he really is and what he's going to become.

We're going to be 8-8/7-9/9-7 team anyway, the team is going nowhere. We had the hot start (no thanks to Warner), and we had a CHANCE to do something. That's why you had to keep playing the veteran Warner. It's over now, our sweet little season is done. We're going nowhere. Warner is total garbage. Play the rookie.
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Rob, not that I'm disagreeing with you. This is somewhat of a separate thought and I'm just prefacing it because I don't want you to think that I'm disputing what you said. I just wanna use this as a chance to knock Kerry Collins and the people who didn't hate him.

How come more people weren't calling Kerry Collins "total garbage"? I was looking at the stats through 8 games this season (yesterday's not included) and Warner had an 85 QB rating. With no picks, a good completion percentage, and the touchdown, it went up after yesterday's game. I'll guess that its around 88. Kerry Collins never had a rating like that for a season. Kerry Collins, the single season record holder for fumbles, would probably have a similar fumble total, and you damn sure better believe that Kerry would have thrown more than 4 interceptions after 9 weeks. Where as Warner did his part and just "didn't f*ck us" in our 5 wins, Collins would have probably cost us 5 wins to this point. Not saying that Warner has done a good job, but he's STILL better than Collins.
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We're sick of Warner running around like an idiot and then getting sacked. I know Manning is young, but I think he'll have the awareness to throw the ball away if need be. Warner is trying to make a play on every down. That's why we're sick of him.
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I know why you're sick of him. I'm sick too. My point yesterday (and today) is that Eli isn't going to cure all the ills. He may get rid of the ball faster, but its not as if we have receivers who can get open quickly, give him a target, then get yards after the catch. If Eli does what we want and throws the ball before the blitz gets there (and its coming - these clowns have been exposed), its an incompletion. Outside of preserving your health and helping with field postition on the punt, incompletions are the same thing as what we're seeing now. 6 yard pass, sack, sack = 2 yard pass, incompletion, incompletion. You're punting either way. You feel me, Drew?
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"I'd rather take the sack than throw the ball away"

Kurt Warner said that. Honestly, what kind of stupid a-hole says some sh*t like that?

We didn't call Kerry Collins total garbage because he was not total garbage. Kurt Warner has not won his team a game in almost 3 seasons!!!! Sure, he had a few "played good enough to not make us lose" games this season. But name me the game this season where he won the game for us? Or was at least part of the reason we won! He hasn't done it! The games we won were because of Tiki Barber and the Defense.

Kurt Warner is done as a QB. He sucks, he has no right being a starter anymore. He had his little run with the Rams and now it's over, thank God.
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I know why you're sick of him. I'm sick too. My point yesterday (and today) is that Eli isn't going to cure all the ills. He may get rid of the ball faster, but its not as if we have receivers who can get open quickly, give him a target, then get yards after the catch. If Eli does what we want and throws the ball before the blitz gets there (and its coming - these clowns have been exposed), its an incompletion. Outside of preserving your health and helping with field postition on the punt, incompletions are the same thing as what we're seeing now. 6 yard pass, sack, sack = 2 yard pass, incompletion, incompletion. You're punting either way. You feel me, Drew?

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What's the point of that post!? What are you trying to say? That Manning is going to struggle and the Giants are going to suck? NO SH*T!!!! We all know that. But I would much rather struggle and suck and get our future QB in games, rather than struggle and suck with Warner playing and Manning on the sidelines doing nothing but watching.
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We didn't call Kerry Collins total garbage because he was not total garbage. Kurt Warner has not won his team a game in almost 3 seasons!!!! Sure, he had a few "played good enough to not make us lose" games this season. But name me the game this season where he won the game for us? Or was at least part of the reason we won! He hasn't done it! The games we won were because of Tiki Barber and the Defense.


Game winning TD pass to Shockey against the Packers. Also, the offense isn't designed for him to be "the guy". We scored 4 redzone touchdowns against the Vikings and Coughlin had Barber and Cloud take them in. You're just looking at the touchdowns. Does a QB get no credit if he drives a team down the field and the running back takes it in for the points? We didn't teleport down there.

Collins WAS total garbage. Why, cuz he had a strong arm and would throw for a lot of yards every game? I'm sorry, but your 320 yards means sh*t to me when you threw into coverage on a rollout in the redzone and got it picked off. When you tried to scramble toward the sideline (with no intention of throwing it away), got sacked and fumbled. When you're throwing pin-point passes on the numbers to John Lynch. That a-hole would COST us games. Warner hasn't put up big numbers and he hasn't lead the team, but outside of the Bears game, he hasn't COST them wins on his own. You and anyone who doesn't think Collins is trash can go to nfl.com, print out the page with his numbers, roll it into a funnell, and go f*ck yourselves with it.

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What's the point of that post!? What are you trying to say? That Manning is going to struggle and the Giants are going to suck? NO SH*T!!!! We all know that. But I would much rather struggle and suck and get our future QB in games, rather than struggle and suck with Warner playing and Manning on the sidelines doing nothing but watching.


Good point. But I was addressing what Drew said.
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I know why you're sick of him. I'm sick too. My point yesterday (and today) is that Eli isn't going to cure all the ills. He may get rid of the ball faster, but its not as if we have receivers who can get open quickly, give him a target, then get yards after the catch. If Eli does what we want and throws the ball before the blitz gets there (and its coming - these clowns have been exposed), its an incompletion. Outside of preserving your health and helping with field postition on the punt, incompletions are the same thing as what we're seeing now. 6 yard pass, sack, sack = 2 yard pass, incompletion, incompletion. You're punting either way. You feel me, Drew?

Kerry Collins is garbage....Der John Lynch kinda looks like Toomer. f*ck it im just gonna throw it.

David Deihl can not handle a blitzfor his life, they will come off that edge all game. But heres the thing with Warner:

1. He missed atleast 5 open WR's simply by locking onto 1 guy and 1 side of the field.
2. By the 3rd qtr he was just done, the pressure was in his head and he had those Kerry Collins happy feet
3. He missed a 60 TD play in the 4th qtr

Its getting me mad just thinking about how many WR's he just completely stared down. You have the tape right? I god mad and broke mine, but go take a look. There were times whenhe had 4 seconds to throw and he just didnt do anything.

He lost the job, you know that. I know you know that.

And you're right, nobody shouldy expect a damn thing out of Manning, but there were open WR's that Warner couldnt get the ball too, lets see if Manning does
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Fast Forward through the 3rd and 13 play at 13:27 of the 4th qtr. Something in your head might pop
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I know why you're sick of him. I'm sick too. My point yesterday (and today) is that Eli isn't going to cure all the ills. He may get rid of the ball faster, but its not as if we have receivers who can get open quickly, give him a target, then get yards after the catch. If Eli does what we want and throws the ball before the blitz gets there (and its coming - these clowns have been exposed), its an incompletion. Outside of preserving your health and helping with field postition on the punt, incompletions are the same thing as what we're seeing now. 6 yard pass, sack, sack = 2 yard pass, incompletion, incompletion. You're punting either way. You feel me, Drew?

The season's over anyway. We might as well see what we have for the future now. Like Rob said, it doesn't help sucking while having the rookie sit on the bench. He'll have to get in sooner or later. This is the right time.
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I know why you're sick of him. I'm sick too. My point yesterday (and today) is that Eli isn't going to cure all the ills. He may get rid of the ball faster, but its not as if we have receivers who can get open quickly, give him a target, then get yards after the catch. If Eli does what we want and throws the ball before the blitz gets there (and its coming - these clowns have been exposed), its an incompletion. Outside of preserving your health and helping with field postition on the punt, incompletions are the same thing as what we're seeing now. 6 yard pass, sack, sack = 2 yard pass, incompletion, incompletion. You're punting either way. You feel me, Drew?

The season's over anyway. We might as well see what we have for the future now. Like Rob said, it doesn't help sucking while having the rookie sit on the bench. He'll have to get in sooner or later. This is the right time.

f*ck that, the seaon int over. Manning is going to come and he is going to make mistakes. But the fact is 4-3 gives a shot at the playoffs.

This is absolutley the right decision, but its not tanking the season. And it wouldnt have been tanking the season had he started sunday
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I know why you're sick of him. I'm sick too. My point yesterday (and today) is that Eli isn't going to cure all the ills. He may get rid of the ball faster, but its not as if we have receivers who can get open quickly, give him a target, then get yards after the catch. If Eli does what we want and throws the ball before the blitz gets there (and its coming - these clowns have been exposed), its an incompletion. Outside of preserving your health and helping with field postition on the punt, incompletions are the same thing as what we're seeing now. 6 yard pass, sack, sack = 2 yard pass, incompletion, incompletion. You're punting either way. You feel me, Drew?

The season's over anyway. We might as well see what we have for the future now. Like Rob said, it doesn't help sucking while having the rookie sit on the bench. He'll have to get in sooner or later. This is the right time.

f*ck that, the seaon int over. Manning is going to come and he is going to make mistakes. But the fact is 4-3 gives a shot at the playoffs.

This is absolutley the right decision, but its not tanking the season. And it wouldnt have been tanking the season had he started sunday

I haven't seen Eli play, but I gotta believe he can react faster than Warner. I think our schedule is brutal though, so I'd shocked if we win 2 more games.
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Even if we do make the playoffs, we're going out in the first round.
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Even if we do make the playoffs, we're going out in the first round.

Not neccessarily.

Manning would be a completely different Qb going into his 8th game and this is the type of team that would have a chance to sneak up on a Atlanta, St. Louis or Minnesota, obviously we cant be playing the type of football we're playing now. But the season isnt over
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Even if we do make the playoffs, we're going out in the first round.

Not neccessarily.

Manning would be a completely different Qb going into his 8th game and this is the type of team that would have a chance to sneak up on a Atlanta, St. Louis or Minnesota, obviously we cant be playing the type of football we're playing now. But the season isnt over

I wish I had your optimistic outlook on the remainder of the season, but I just don't buy that with our offensive line, we can do anything on offense for the rest of the season.
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Even if we do make the playoffs, we're going out in the first round.

Not neccessarily.

Manning would be a completely different Qb going into his 8th game and this is the type of team that would have a chance to sneak up on a Atlanta, St. Louis or Minnesota, obviously we cant be playing the type of football we're playing now. But the season isnt over

I wish I had your optimistic outlook on the remainder of the season, but I just don't buy that with our offensive line, we can do anything on offense for the rest of the season.

Trust me, i dont mean to be that optimistic.

THINGS HAVE TO CHANGE.

We have to add protection. Id try Kuehl (6'5 290) at TE to get Shockey out in some routes for 1 thing.

Things definatley have to change, it just doesnt mean the season is over
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Even if we do make the playoffs, we're going out in the first round.

Not neccessarily.

Manning would be a completely different Qb going into his 8th game and this is the type of team that would have a chance to sneak up on a Atlanta, St. Louis or Minnesota, obviously we cant be playing the type of football we're playing now. But the season isnt over

I wish I had your optimistic outlook on the remainder of the season, but I just don't buy that with our offensive line, we can do anything on offense for the rest of the season.

Trust me, i dont mean to be that optimistic.

THINGS HAVE TO CHANGE.

We have to add protection. Id try Kuehl (6'5 290) at TE to get Shockey out in some routes for 1 thing.

Things definatley have to change, it just doesnt mean the season is over

Coughlin's not adjusting and adapting like I thought he would.
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Nov 15 2004, 08:46 PM
Njdevils350
Nov 15 2004, 08:43 PM
LieberFastWheeler
Nov 15 2004, 08:41 PM
Njdevils350
Nov 15 2004, 08:39 PM
Drew the Jew
Nov 15 2004, 08:28 PM
Even if we do make the playoffs, we're going out in the first round.

Not neccessarily.

Manning would be a completely different Qb going into his 8th game and this is the type of team that would have a chance to sneak up on a Atlanta, St. Louis or Minnesota, obviously we cant be playing the type of football we're playing now. But the season isnt over

I wish I had your optimistic outlook on the remainder of the season, but I just don't buy that with our offensive line, we can do anything on offense for the rest of the season.

Trust me, i dont mean to be that optimistic.

THINGS HAVE TO CHANGE.

We have to add protection. Id try Kuehl (6'5 290) at TE to get Shockey out in some routes for 1 thing.

Things definatley have to change, it just doesnt mean the season is over

Coughlin's not adjusting and adapting like I thought he would.

Well changing QB's is an adjustment.

He tried to keep an extra TE in on most plays yesterday. Thats an adjustemnt it just didnt work. He has to try some other things

Im willing to wait another 2 weeks before I delcare the season over.
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Nov 15 2004, 09:43 PM
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Drew the Jew
Nov 15 2004, 08:28 PM
Even if we do make the playoffs, we're going out in the first round.

Not neccessarily.

Manning would be a completely different Qb going into his 8th game and this is the type of team that would have a chance to sneak up on a Atlanta, St. Louis or Minnesota, obviously we cant be playing the type of football we're playing now. But the season isnt over

I wish I had your optimistic outlook on the remainder of the season, but I just don't buy that with our offensive line, we can do anything on offense for the rest of the season.

Trust me, i dont mean to be that optimistic.

THINGS HAVE TO CHANGE.

We have to add protection. Id try Kuehl (6'5 290) at TE to get Shockey out in some routes for 1 thing.

Things definatley have to change, it just doesnt mean the season is over

I like that idea. Never thought of it. Our linemen can't block for sh*t, but you figure that one of the backups can atleast block better than a TE. Since Taylor isn't a factor and the pass protection is, you could move an extra tackle (Kuehl or Winey) in and have Shockey play receiver. I'd like to have him at the X, but Hilliard would NEVER get benched. Have the "TE" always stay in and block. You can run a lot of plays out of this set:

QB - Manning
HB - Barber
WR - Toomer
WR - Hilliard
WR - Shockey
LT - Pettitgout
LG - Whittle
C - O'Hara
RG - Snee
RT - Diehl
TE - Kuehl/Winey

I'm sure Eli would still be feeling pressure, but I have to imagine that it would be better like this. But I'm sure you know that none of this will happen.

LFW, Coughlin is flirting with my sh*t list. He isn't the creative playcaller that I like, has said that the QB has no say in the play design and selection, and seems stubborn and doesn't make adjustment. Back in the pre season, he had said that he wishes he had more time to make changes with the line. That's what first pissed me off. Time? What the f*ck is the off season? The free agency period? He raved about getting O'Hara and Stokes. Hard working, attentive, and easily coached. Blue collar lunch pale mo'f*ckers. The draft? We know about the draft. Then I was turned off by him fining Strahan. The one guy on the team you can't complain about, that's the one you go after to make your point and show who's boss? And I didn't like the Green benching, but that's turning out good. Add all that up and I'm actually not sure why he isn't on the sh*t list yet.
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I like that idea. Never thought of it. Our linemen can't block for sh*t, but you figure that one of the backups can atleast block better than a TE. Since Taylor isn't a factor and the pass protection is, you could move an extra tackle (Kuehl or Winey) in and have Shockey play receiver. I'd like to have him at the X, but Hilliard would NEVER get benched. Have the "TE" always stay in and block. You can run a lot of plays out of this set:

QB - Manning
HB - Barber
WR - Toomer
WR - Hilliard
WR - Shockey
LT - Pettitgout
LG - Whittle
C - O'Hara
RG - Snee
RT - Diehl
TE - Kuehl/Winey

I'm sure Eli would still be feeling pressure, but I have to imagine that it would be better like this. But I'm sure you know that none of this will happen.


Also it wouldnt be a detriment to have a tackle at TE in terms of "they know hes not a threat" because Rivers and Shiancoe arnt threats right now and we're running 7 and 8 set protections.

And the more routes Shockey runs, the better.


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I'm actually not sure why he isn't on the sh*t list yet.


I'll tell you why, you're pissed off about being 5-4.

You know that even if he misjudged Deihl and got stuck with Petitgout O'Hara has played well at center and Snee has been either really good or really bad in games. He shares responsbility with Accorsi, they've both made mistakes. But O'Hara has played well.

And as far as offensive creativity; we still have the "Jim Fassel Personel" Give him another Off-Season to get the right players for this offense.

We have:

The efficient QB (Brunell)
The All purpose RB (Taylor)
The playmaking TE (McCardell)
The possesion WR ( McCardell x2)

We're missing:

The Speed WR that can get seperation and make plays (Smith)
Another mauling OT (Boselli)
A pure blocking TE (Brady)

Would you be pissed at Coughlin if he was the Jags coach and Boselli, Smith and Brady were done for the year?

No, because they are what the offense explosive on top of efficient.

Give him another off-season to get the right players in here
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