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Steinbrenner Mad At Minaya
Topic Started: Nov 11 2004, 06:27 AM (180 Views)
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Steinbrenner Mad At Minaya Over Rick Down

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Bad blood between the Yankees and Mets has been revived, with coach Rick Down serving as the lightning rod. The tension stems from the Mets' desire to make Down, who is a minor-league instructor for the Yanks, their hitting coach.

New Mets manager Willie Randolph met with Down on several occasions, according to multiple sources, and told Down that he wants him to join his staff.

Down, who was fired as the Bombers' hitting coach following the 2003 season, is excited about the possibility of working with Randolph, whom he considers a good friend.

The problem, sources said, is that the Mets may not have had formal permission to speak with Down about the job since he is still under contract with the Yankees. George Steinbrenner was "livid" when he heard about the situation, one source said, and Yankee officials are blaming Mets GM Omar Minaya for not going directly to Yanks GM Brian Cashman with a request in the beginning.

"It appears that Omar screwed this thing up," a Yankee source said yesterday.

The Mets aren't so sure. One Met source acknowledged that Randolph met with Down but was under the impression that the meeting was allowed because Down had requested permission to talk with the Mets from senior vice president of baseball operations Mark Newman, who works out of the Yanks' Tampa office.

The Mets claim they were led to believe Down was free to talk with them and the Yankees were the ones confused.


f*ck you george, f*ck you in the ear!!!
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Give me a break. This is nothing more than George looking for something to take his frustration out on other than his coaching staff.
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Why would the mets even want Rick Down?
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He's a very good hitting coach. The only reason he was fired was to make room for Yankee great Donnie. He would be a nice hitting coach though. Can defenitly help.
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He sucked as a hitting coach! The Yankees should be begging the Mets to take him. :laugh:
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Nov 11 2004, 11:55 AM
He's a very good hitting coach. The only reason he was fired was to make room for Yankee great Donnie. He would be a nice hitting coach though. Can defenitly help.

No, he was a terrible hitting coach. The reason he was fired was because he sucked.
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Nov 11 2004, 10:59 AM
He sucked as a hitting coach! The Yankees should be begging the Mets to take him. :laugh:

They can have him with a thank you card attach to him!!!
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We don't know if he was a terrible hitting coach. The problem in '03 was the Yankees not being able to hit with runners in scoring position and Giambi having a bad season. The problem in '04 was the Yankees not being able to hit with runners in scoring position and Giambi knocking on heaven's (maybe) door.
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You can have Rick the Tick. Just ask for permission next time Muets.
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Rob Version 1.0
Nov 11 2004, 10:59 AM
He sucked as a hitting coach! The Yankees should be begging the Mets to take him. :laugh:

yeah so i guess donnie baseball is a shitty hitting coach too, nobody knows if he was a bad hitting coach or not especially with a team like the yankees!!!
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What are you talking about? A lot of the guys said Mattingly helped them, nobody said sh*t about Rick Down. He sucked and that's why he was fired, nobody liked his ass.

Go ahead and hire him, I'm sure you'll be all over him at the start just like Art Howe!

Rick Down!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Nov 11 2004, 03:34 PM
What are you talking about? A lot of the guys said Mattingly helped them, nobody said sh*t about Rick Down. He sucked and that's why he was fired, nobody liked his ass.

Go ahead and hire him, I'm sure you'll be all over him at the start just like Art Howe!

Rick Down!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

oh donnie helped them huh, so mvp arod needs help, sheffield needs help, jeter, bernie, matsui, posada, yeah i'm sure alot of those guys needed help, a batting coach isn't needed for that team, maybe a choke coach is needed for arod, shef and matsui in the playoffs but that's it!!!
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Nov 11 2004, 04:37 PM
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Nov 11 2004, 03:34 PM
What are you talking about?  A lot of the guys said Mattingly helped them, nobody said sh*t about Rick Down.  He sucked and that's why he was fired, nobody liked his ass.

Go ahead and hire him, I'm sure you'll be all over him at the start just like Art Howe! 

Rick Down!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

oh donnie helped them huh, so mvp arod needs help, sheffield needs help, jeter, bernie, matsui, posada, yeah i'm sure alot of those guys needed help, a batting coach isn't needed for that team, maybe a choke coach is needed for arod, shef and matsui in the playoffs but that's it!!!

He turned Miguel Cairo into a .300 hitter.
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Nov 11 2004, 03:43 PM
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Nov 11 2004, 04:37 PM
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Nov 11 2004, 03:34 PM
What are you talking about?  A lot of the guys said Mattingly helped them, nobody said sh*t about Rick Down.  He sucked and that's why he was fired, nobody liked his ass.

Go ahead and hire him, I'm sure you'll be all over him at the start just like Art Howe! 

Rick Down!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

oh donnie helped them huh, so mvp arod needs help, sheffield needs help, jeter, bernie, matsui, posada, yeah i'm sure alot of those guys needed help, a batting coach isn't needed for that team, maybe a choke coach is needed for arod, shef and matsui in the playoffs but that's it!!!

He turned Miguel Cairo into a .300 hitter.

;) :P
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What are you talking about?  A lot of the guys said Mattingly helped them, nobody said sh*t about Rick Down.  He sucked and that's why he was fired, nobody liked his ass.

Go ahead and hire him, I'm sure you'll be all over him at the start just like Art Howe! 

Rick Down!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

oh donnie helped them huh, so mvp arod needs help, sheffield needs help, jeter, bernie, matsui, posada, yeah i'm sure alot of those guys needed help, a batting coach isn't needed for that team, maybe a choke coach is needed for arod, shef and matsui in the playoffs but that's it!!!

He turned Miguel Cairo into a .300 hitter.

[size=14]WOWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/size]

only a tool like you would say something like that, hey timo THINK before you post, ;) cairo batted .292 for the yankees this season but he batted .295 for both the drays in 1999 and for the cards and cubs in 2001 so donnie baseball did nothing for him too! one thing i learned with the mets and alot of teams is that the hitting coach means nothing, maybe only in certain cases like jaramillo with texas but that's it, just get good hitters and they will hit, plain and simple!!! :peace:
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You and I could hit .300 with 40 HR in Texas.
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Nov 11 2004, 04:47 PM
You and I could hit .300 with 40 HR in Texas.

lol maybe but jaramillo is highly regarded in baseball but i get your point amit, i have no prove jaramillo makes a difference, i just go by what i hear!!!
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Oh enough of the donnie bashing!!! Just because rick down sucks and you know it doesn't mean you have to bash mattingly!!! It's not my fault down sucks and mattingly just better!!! Believe me I know all about down!!! And when you see certian hitters on the mets start to swing and miss alot and swing for the fences you'll know who to blame!
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Nov 11 2004, 05:00 PM
Oh enough of the donnie bashing!!! Just because rick down sucks and you know it doesn't mean you have to bash mattingly!!! It's not my fault down sucks and mattingly just better!!! Believe me I know all about down!!! And when you see certian hitters on the mets start to swing and miss alot and swing for the fences you'll know who to blame!

i don't care if it's down, brown, cow and frown or donnie baseball, hitting coaches don't matter, they don't f*cking help, it's all bullsh*t, the yankees have like 7 all-stars in their lineup, they especially don't need a hitting coach to help them out!!!
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So I guess Don Baylor is a bad hitting coach with the bad year that the Mets had offensively. Give me a break! Hitting coaches and Pitching coaches are best when they have good hitters and pitchers. The coaches don't make the players, the players do.
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personally all coaches in baseball are overrated, other then pitching coaches they actually make a difference from time to time.
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Nov 11 2004, 07:53 PM
personally all coaches in baseball are overrated, other then pitching coaches they actually make a difference from time to time.

Umm...what about the 3b coach?
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Nov 11 2004, 06:56 PM
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Nov 11 2004, 07:53 PM
personally all coaches in baseball are overrated, other then pitching coaches they actually make a difference from time to time.

Umm...what about the 3b coach?

What, were you a big Cookie Rojas fan?
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personally all coaches in baseball are overrated, other then pitching coaches they actually make a difference from time to time.

Umm...what about the 3b coach?

3rd base coaches do matter, just look at fat matt galante, he was f*cking terrible, i do think pitching coaches matter too but like i said before hitting coaches make no difference!!!
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personally all coaches in baseball are overrated, other then pitching coaches they actually make a difference from time to time.

Umm...what about the 3b coach?

3rd base coaches do matter, just look at fat matt galante, he was f*cking terrible, i do think pitching coaches matter too but like i said before hitting coaches make no difference!!!

Yeah, Matt Galante cost the mets at least 4 games this season. Then add in the fact that as infield coach it was his job to help tutor Matsui.
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third base coach do matter somewhat, the only thing they do is wave their arm, it doesnt take a f*cking genious to know how good an arm the outfeilders have but galante did suck
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Nov 11 2004, 08:17 PM
third base coach do matter somewhat, the only thing they do is wave their arm, it doesnt take a f*cking genious to know how good an arm the outfeilders have but galante did suck

You have to keep in mind the speed of the baserunner, where the ball was hit, what kind of bounces the ball might take in the stadium, how good an arm the OFer has, and how good an arm guy making the relay throw has.

you can't just stick anyone there.
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i'm so glad galante is gone, man i hated his guts!!!
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Acctually Rick Down is a better coach then you all think. I was watching a Yankee Classic game from 1995. Jim Kaat was talking about Rick Down and saying how he was a very good hitting coach and he was explaining some of Downs technices about hitting which were very good points.
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Nov 11 2004, 11:48 PM
Acctually Rick Down is a better coach then you all think. I was watching a Yankee Classic game from 1995. Jim Kaat was talking about Rick Down and saying how he was a very good hitting coach and he was explaining some of Downs technices about hitting which were very good points.

So that obviously makes Rick Down a genius. :serious:
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