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Can you guys stop with the Shawn Green Crap; Jesus Christ
Topic Started: Nov 10 2004, 05:54 PM (183 Views)
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Shawn Green will be 32 on opening day, he's not significantly younger than Piazza. He has already started to decline despite batting in front of Adrian Beltre

2003: .355 OBP .280 AVG 19 HR 85 RBI

2004: .352 OBP .266 AVG 28 HR 86 RBI

Despite the fact that we need an lefthanded bat, you cant put this guy in the middle of the lineup. Seriously those are pretty much Cliff Floyd type numbers.

And stop treating Piazza like trash, last year was a lost yrar for him with the position switch and not having Floyd to protect him for half the year. Prorated numbers from '03 (injury) and '04

*Total Numbers Divided By .59 (Percentage of Games Missed)

*2003: .383 OBP .329 AVG 29 HR 91 RBI

2004: .362 OBP .266 AVG 20 HR 54 RBI (25 less games than Grenn)

Why is anyone even considering this????
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Nov 10 2004, 05:54 PM
Shawn Green will be 32 on opening day, he's not significantly younger than Piazza. He has already started to decline despite batting in front of Adrian Beltre

2003: .355 OBP .280 AVG 19 HR 85 RBI

2004: .352 OBP .266 AVG 28 HR 86 RBI

Despite the fact that we need an lefthanded bat, you cant put this guy in the middle of the lineup. Seriously those are pretty much Cliff Floyd type numbers.

And stop treating Piazza like trash, last year was a lost yrar for him with the position switch and not having Floyd to protect him for half the year. Prorated numbers from '03 (injury) and '04

*Total Numbers Divided By .59 (Percentage of Games Missed)

*2003: .383 OBP .329 AVG 29 HR 91 RBI

2004: .362 OBP .266 AVG 20 HR 54 RBI (25 less games than Grenn)

Why is anyone even considering this????

Green wouldn't be brought in to bat cleanup. He'd occupy Piazza's projected spot in the lineup(5th or 6th)and play better defense.
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You wanted Rafael Palmeiro. :serious:
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dude i totally agree with you, it would be stupid to trade piazza for green, he isn't even a major improvement over piazza, anyway i think minaya is just testing the waters, i don't think he'll make that trade!!!
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Nov 10 2004, 04:56 PM
dude i totally agree with you, it would be stupid to trade piazza for green, he isn't even a major improvement over piazza, anyway i think minaya is just testing the waters, i don't think he'll make that trade!!!

Dude, you're not getting a major improvement for Piazza. This isn't 2000. You're not getting an MVP for a 36 year old catcher who's probably going to retire after this season.
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dude i totally agree with you, it would be stupid to trade piazza for green, he isn't even a major improvement over piazza, anyway i think minaya is just testing the waters, i don't think he'll make that trade!!!

Dude, you're not getting a major improvement for Piazza. This isn't 2000. You're not getting an MVP for a 36 year old catcher who's probably going to retire after this season.

Amit, argue with the stats
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Nov 10 2004, 05:54 PM
Shawn Green will be 32 on opening day, he's not significantly younger than Piazza. He has already started to decline despite batting in front of Adrian Beltre

2003: .355 OBP .280 AVG 19 HR 85 RBI

2004: .352 OBP .266 AVG 28 HR 86 RBI

Despite the fact that we need an lefthanded bat, you cant put this guy in the middle of the lineup. Seriously those are pretty much Cliff Floyd type numbers.

And stop treating Piazza like trash, last year was a lost yrar for him with the position switch and not having Floyd to protect him for half the year. Prorated numbers from '03 (injury) and '04

*Total Numbers Divided By .59 (Percentage of Games Missed)

*2003: .383 OBP .329 AVG  29 HR 91 RBI

2004: .362 OBP .266 AVG 20 HR 54 RBI  (25 less games than Grenn)

Why is anyone even considering this????

Green wouldn't be brought in to bat cleanup. He'd occupy Piazza's projected spot in the lineup(5th or 6th)and play better defense.

:no1: :no1:
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despite batting in front of Adrian Beltre

Incorrect. Milton bradley hit 3rd, Not green. Finley took over the #3 spot after the deadline.
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Nov 10 2004, 05:01 PM
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despite batting in front of Adrian Beltre

Incorrect. Milton bradley hit 3rd, Not green. Finley took over the #3 spot after the deadline.

Ok, then he batted behing Beltre and alwayts had guys on base despite a low RBI total
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dude i totally agree with you, it would be stupid to trade piazza for green, he isn't even a major improvement over piazza, anyway i think minaya is just testing the waters, i don't think he'll make that trade!!!

Dude, you're not getting a major improvement for Piazza. This isn't 2000. You're not getting an MVP for a 36 year old catcher who's probably going to retire after this season.

of course the mets aren't gonna get a major improvement over piazza so that's why they should just keep him, he has only 1 year remaining on his deal, the mets are better off just keeping him!!!
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dude i totally agree with you, it would be stupid to trade piazza for green, he isn't even a major improvement over piazza, anyway i think minaya is just testing the waters, i don't think he'll make that trade!!!

Dude, you're not getting a major improvement for Piazza. This isn't 2000. You're not getting an MVP for a 36 year old catcher who's probably going to retire after this season.

Amit, argue with the stats

They're basically the same, but Green provides better defense and more versatility.
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dude i totally agree with you, it would be stupid to trade piazza for green, he isn't even a major improvement over piazza, anyway i think minaya is just testing the waters, i don't think he'll make that trade!!!

Dude, you're not getting a major improvement for Piazza. This isn't 2000. You're not getting an MVP for a 36 year old catcher who's probably going to retire after this season.

Amit, argue with the stats

They're basically the same, but Green provides better defense and more versatility.

piazza is a better hitter and walks more!!! :peace:
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dude i totally agree with you, it would be stupid to trade piazza for green, he isn't even a major improvement over piazza, anyway i think minaya is just testing the waters, i don't think he'll make that trade!!!

Dude, you're not getting a major improvement for Piazza. This isn't 2000. You're not getting an MVP for a 36 year old catcher who's probably going to retire after this season.

Amit, argue with the stats

They're basically the same, but Green provides better defense and more versatility.

piazza is a better hitter and walks more!!! :peace:

Justin, think about this aspect:

Piazza will not play any position other than catcher. That means that he'll sit out a significant number of games. With Green, you wouldn't have to have a guy like Jason Phillips or Vance Wilson in the lineup one or two times every week.
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dude i totally agree with you, it would be stupid to trade piazza for green, he isn't even a major improvement over piazza, anyway i think minaya is just testing the waters, i don't think he'll make that trade!!!

Dude, you're not getting a major improvement for Piazza. This isn't 2000. You're not getting an MVP for a 36 year old catcher who's probably going to retire after this season.

Amit, argue with the stats

They're basically the same, but Green provides better defense and more versatility.

piazza is a better hitter and walks more!!! :peace:

Justin, think about this aspect:

Piazza will not play any position other than catcher. That means that he'll sit out a significant number of games. With Green, you wouldn't have to have a guy like Jason Phillips or Vance Wilson in the lineup one or two times every week.

you know what timo your right, you wouldn't have jason phillips or vance wilson in the lineup 2 or 3 times a week with green, you'd have them in the lineup everyday with f*cking green since the mets will have to start one of those clowns cause they would be trading their best catcher and will have no one else to play that position!!!
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dude i totally agree with you, it would be stupid to trade piazza for green, he isn't even a major improvement over piazza, anyway i think minaya is just testing the waters, i don't think he'll make that trade!!!

Dude, you're not getting a major improvement for Piazza. This isn't 2000. You're not getting an MVP for a 36 year old catcher who's probably going to retire after this season.

Amit, argue with the stats

They're basically the same, but Green provides better defense and more versatility.

piazza is a better hitter and walks more!!! :peace:

Justin, think about this aspect:

Piazza will not play any position other than catcher. That means that he'll sit out a significant number of games. With Green, you wouldn't have to have a guy like Jason Phillips or Vance Wilson in the lineup one or two times every week.

you know what timo your right, you wouldn't have jason phillips or vance wilson in the lineup 2 or 3 times a week with green, you'd have them in the lineup everyday with f*cking green since the mets will have to start one of those clowns cause they would be trading their best catcher and will have no one else to play that position!!!

I'm obviously assuming that Minaya would follow up this trade by going after a decent starting catcher (AJ Peirzynski?)
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dude i totally agree with you, it would be stupid to trade piazza for green, he isn't even a major improvement over piazza, anyway i think minaya is just testing the waters, i don't think he'll make that trade!!!

Dude, you're not getting a major improvement for Piazza. This isn't 2000. You're not getting an MVP for a 36 year old catcher who's probably going to retire after this season.

Amit, argue with the stats

They're basically the same, but Green provides better defense and more versatility.

piazza is a better hitter and walks more!!! :peace:

Justin, think about this aspect:

Piazza will not play any position other than catcher. That means that he'll sit out a significant number of games. With Green, you wouldn't have to have a guy like Jason Phillips or Vance Wilson in the lineup one or two times every week.

you know what timo your right, you wouldn't have jason phillips or vance wilson in the lineup 2 or 3 times a week with green, you'd have them in the lineup everyday with f*cking green since the mets will have to start one of those clowns cause they would be trading their best catcher and will have no one else to play that position!!!

I'm obviously assuming that Minaya would follow up this trade by going after a decent starting catcher (AJ Peirzynski?)

i dought that, the mets are better off with piazza in the lineup, they'll have him in the lineup most of the time along with a power hitting first baseman and rightfielder, the one hole the mets may have in the lineup is from leftfield but if victor diaz gets a shot he has a chance to be a very good hitter!!!
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Pierzynski? please stop.

please
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Nov 10 2004, 04:56 PM
dude i totally agree with you, it would be stupid to trade piazza for green, he isn't even a major improvement over piazza, anyway i think minaya is just testing the waters, i don't think he'll make that trade!!!

ITS EQUAL VALUE!!!!!!! Plus Green can play 1B and OF and the 3 years difference between he and Piazza is huge!!!!!!
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dude i totally agree with you, it would be stupid to trade piazza for green, he isn't even a major improvement over piazza, anyway i think minaya is just testing the waters, i don't think he'll make that trade!!!

ITS EQUAL VALUE!!!!!!! Plus Green can play 1B and OF and the 3 years difference between he and Piazza is huge!!!!!!

please, green can stay in LA!!! :peace:
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Just admit that you're biased.
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Just admit that you're biased.

He should just admit that if he were to run a team that it would it suck for the next 8 decades after he left
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the stats arnt equal. The '03 projection blows Green out of the water.

In '04 Green has a few more HR's and RBI's but he played in 25 more games, had MUCH better lineup protection and as a Met fan you should realize Piazza was effected by the position switch
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This deal doesn't make any sense. It is not going to happen.
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Nov 10 2004, 07:24 PM
the stats arnt equal. The '03 projection blows Green out of the water.

In '04 Green has a few more HR's and RBI's but he played in 25 more games, had MUCH better lineup protection and as a Met fan you should realize Piazza was effected by the position switch

Stat projection means sh*t. They're like points per 48 minutes in the NBA. It's useless.
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the stats arnt equal. The '03 projection blows Green out of the water.

In '04 Green has a few more HR's and RBI's but he played in 25 more games, had MUCH better lineup protection and as a Met fan you should realize Piazza was effected by the position switch

Stat projection means sh*t. They're like points per 48 minutes in the NBA. It's useless.

not really, through 40% of the seasons thats what he's on pace for. Its not like I just took the 1st 3 weeks of the season
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Piazza is my favorite player and I would prefer that the trade not happen, but it does make sense. I listed the reasons it makes sense in a previous post and I am not going to list them again.

But this idea that the Mets shouldn't do this deal because Green isn't good enough compensation for Piazza is rediculous. Piazza is due $16 mil next year and he will be a 37 year old catcher at the end of the 2005 season. You aren't getting anything back much better than Shawn Green. Piazza hasn't done much of anything the last two years and it is tough for me to believe that next year will be any different.
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I just dont think he is as broken down as most of you think, or as broken down is Green

If not for an ijury, he was on track for another Piazza-Like season in '03

And I want a Met fan that has watched last season to tell me they dont think Piazza was effected at the plate by the position switch, I think its blatantly obvious that he was
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Nov 10 2004, 08:34 PM
I just dont think he is as broken down as most of you think, or as broken down is Green

If not for an ijury, he was on track for another Piazza-Like season in '03

And I want a Met fan that has watched last season to tell me they dont think Piazza was effected at the plate by the position switch, I think its blatantly obvious that he was

Injuries are part of the game. "They Count". :serious:
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I just dont think he is as broken down as most of you think, or as broken down is Green

If not for an ijury, he was on track for another Piazza-Like season in '03

And I want a Met fan that has watched last season to tell me they dont think Piazza was effected at the plate by the position switch, I think its blatantly obvious that he was

Injuries are part of the game. "They Count". :serious:

When did I say they didnt count? Thats not the point at all.
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FNB, you're so desperately anxious to get rid of Piazza that you'd probably trade him for Felix Heredia. :serious:
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