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Matsui was willing to play 2b for the Yankees
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I really want him traded this offseason.
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I really want him traded this offseason.

i dont if he plays second for us ill be fine with it, you cant argue that his bat is great
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I really want him traded this offseason.

i dont if he plays second for us ill be fine with it, you cant argue that his bat is great

Of course I can. His bat is far from great. Even if he succeeds, what will his numbers be? .285, 10-15 homeruns, 25 stolen bases? That's not big money numbers.
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I really want him traded this offseason.

i dont if he plays second for us ill be fine with it, you cant argue that his bat is great

Of course I can. His bat is far from great. Even if he succeeds, what will his numbers be? .285, 10-15 homeruns, 25 stolen bases? That's not big money numbers.

in the beginning of the year the pitchers didnt know who he was or how he hit so he hit like .315, when they figured him out he hit poorly and hit like 215 during that time, when he made the adjustments he started hitting good again and has probably hit for a 300 avg the last month and a half or so. So next year when there will be no more surprises for him in terms of pitchers he will hit good, guaranteed
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http://www.nypost.com/sports/mets/18590.htm

I really want him traded this offseason.

i dont if he plays second for us ill be fine with it, you cant argue that his bat is great

Of course I can. His bat is far from great. Even if he succeeds, what will his numbers be? .285, 10-15 homeruns, 25 stolen bases? That's not big money numbers.

in the beginning of the year the pitchers didnt know who he was or how he hit so he hit like .315, when they figured him out he hit poorly and hit like 215 during that time, when he made the adjustments he started hitting good again and has probably hit for a 300 avg the last month and a half or so. So next year when there will be no more surprises for him in terms of pitchers he will hit good, guaranteed

batting average is the least important offensive statistic. He doesn't get on base enough, doesn't hit for consistant power, and doesn't steal many bases.
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http://www.nypost.com/sports/mets/18590.htm

I really want him traded this offseason.

i dont if he plays second for us ill be fine with it, you cant argue that his bat is great

Of course I can. His bat is far from great. Even if he succeeds, what will his numbers be? .285, 10-15 homeruns, 25 stolen bases? That's not big money numbers.

in the beginning of the year the pitchers didnt know who he was or how he hit so he hit like .315, when they figured him out he hit poorly and hit like 215 during that time, when he made the adjustments he started hitting good again and has probably hit for a 300 avg the last month and a half or so. So next year when there will be no more surprises for him in terms of pitchers he will hit good, guaranteed

batting average is the least important offensive statistic. He doesn't get on base enough, doesn't hit for consistant power, and doesn't steal many bases.

he doesnt get caught when he does steal and the steals will come once he gets more comertable, avg. is important second to obs which i agree isnt that great for him right now, his power is better then reyes' and he is a very good sitauational hitter.
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Aug 13 2004, 10:23 AM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/mets/18590.htm

I really want him traded this offseason.

i dont if he plays second for us ill be fine with it, you cant argue that his bat is great

Of course I can. His bat is far from great. Even if he succeeds, what will his numbers be? .285, 10-15 homeruns, 25 stolen bases? That's not big money numbers.

in the beginning of the year the pitchers didnt know who he was or how he hit so he hit like .315, when they figured him out he hit poorly and hit like 215 during that time, when he made the adjustments he started hitting good again and has probably hit for a 300 avg the last month and a half or so. So next year when there will be no more surprises for him in terms of pitchers he will hit good, guaranteed

batting average is the least important offensive statistic. He doesn't get on base enough, doesn't hit for consistant power, and doesn't steal many bases.

he doesnt get caught when he does steal and the steals will come once he gets more comertable, avg. is important second to obs which i agree isnt that great for him right now, his power is better then reyes' and he is a very good sitauational hitter.

What are you basing that on? matsui didn't steal many bases at all his alst season in Japan.
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Aug 13 2004, 10:23 AM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/mets/18590.htm

I really want him traded this offseason.

i dont if he plays second for us ill be fine with it, you cant argue that his bat is great

Of course I can. His bat is far from great. Even if he succeeds, what will his numbers be? .285, 10-15 homeruns, 25 stolen bases? That's not big money numbers.

in the beginning of the year the pitchers didnt know who he was or how he hit so he hit like .315, when they figured him out he hit poorly and hit like 215 during that time, when he made the adjustments he started hitting good again and has probably hit for a 300 avg the last month and a half or so. So next year when there will be no more surprises for him in terms of pitchers he will hit good, guaranteed

batting average is the least important offensive statistic. He doesn't get on base enough, doesn't hit for consistant power, and doesn't steal many bases.

he doesnt get caught when he does steal and the steals will come once he gets more comertable, avg. is important second to obs which i agree isnt that great for him right now, his power is better then reyes' and he is a very good sitauational hitter.

What are you basing that on? matsui didn't steal many bases at all his alst season in Japan.

because he shows good speed and instincts and if it wasnt for mike piazza hitting behind him in the order he would have many more steals
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http://www.nypost.com/sports/mets/18590.htm

I really want him traded this offseason.

i dont if he plays second for us ill be fine with it, you cant argue that his bat is great

Of course I can. His bat is far from great. Even if he succeeds, what will his numbers be? .285, 10-15 homeruns, 25 stolen bases? That's not big money numbers.

in the beginning of the year the pitchers didnt know who he was or how he hit so he hit like .315, when they figured him out he hit poorly and hit like 215 during that time, when he made the adjustments he started hitting good again and has probably hit for a 300 avg the last month and a half or so. So next year when there will be no more surprises for him in terms of pitchers he will hit good, guaranteed

batting average is the least important offensive statistic. He doesn't get on base enough, doesn't hit for consistant power, and doesn't steal many bases.

he doesnt get caught when he does steal and the steals will come once he gets more comertable, avg. is important second to obs which i agree isnt that great for him right now, his power is better then reyes' and he is a very good sitauational hitter.

What are you basing that on? matsui didn't steal many bases at all his alst season in Japan.

because he shows good speed and instincts and if it wasnt for mike piazza hitting behind him in the order he would have many more steals

Then why didn't he steal many bases during his last season in japan? Why didn't he steal many bases when he was batting leadoff?
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Aug 13 2004, 10:23 AM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/mets/18590.htm

I really want him traded this offseason.

i dont if he plays second for us ill be fine with it, you cant argue that his bat is great

Of course I can. His bat is far from great. Even if he succeeds, what will his numbers be? .285, 10-15 homeruns, 25 stolen bases? That's not big money numbers.

in the beginning of the year the pitchers didnt know who he was or how he hit so he hit like .315, when they figured him out he hit poorly and hit like 215 during that time, when he made the adjustments he started hitting good again and has probably hit for a 300 avg the last month and a half or so. So next year when there will be no more surprises for him in terms of pitchers he will hit good, guaranteed

batting average is the least important offensive statistic. He doesn't get on base enough, doesn't hit for consistant power, and doesn't steal many bases.

he doesnt get caught when he does steal and the steals will come once he gets more comertable, avg. is important second to obs which i agree isnt that great for him right now, his power is better then reyes' and he is a very good sitauational hitter.

What are you basing that on? matsui didn't steal many bases at all his alst season in Japan.

because he shows good speed and instincts and if it wasnt for mike piazza hitting behind him in the order he would have many more steals

Then why didn't he steal many bases during his last season in japan? Why didn't he steal many bases when he was batting leadoff?

in japan he wasnt stealing bases because he was hitting 3rd and in the beginning of the season he wasnt stealing because it was his first time playing here so he wasnt quite sure of all the moves, timing, catchers arm, etc.
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http://www.nypost.com/sports/mets/18590.htm

I really want him traded this offseason.

i dont if he plays second for us ill be fine with it, you cant argue that his bat is great

Of course I can. His bat is far from great. Even if he succeeds, what will his numbers be? .285, 10-15 homeruns, 25 stolen bases? That's not big money numbers.

in the beginning of the year the pitchers didnt know who he was or how he hit so he hit like .315, when they figured him out he hit poorly and hit like 215 during that time, when he made the adjustments he started hitting good again and has probably hit for a 300 avg the last month and a half or so. So next year when there will be no more surprises for him in terms of pitchers he will hit good, guaranteed

batting average is the least important offensive statistic. He doesn't get on base enough, doesn't hit for consistant power, and doesn't steal many bases.

he doesnt get caught when he does steal and the steals will come once he gets more comertable, avg. is important second to obs which i agree isnt that great for him right now, his power is better then reyes' and he is a very good sitauational hitter.

What are you basing that on? matsui didn't steal many bases at all his alst season in Japan.

because he shows good speed and instincts and if it wasnt for mike piazza hitting behind him in the order he would have many more steals

Then why didn't he steal many bases during his last season in japan? Why didn't he steal many bases when he was batting leadoff?

in japan he wasnt stealing bases because he was hitting 3rd and in the beginning of the season he wasnt stealing because it was his first time playing here so he wasnt quite sure of all the moves, timing, catchers arm, etc.

Why isn't he stealing now?
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matsui didn't steal many bases at all his alst season in Japan.


i have two things to say about that. first he batted third as someone pointed out. and second look at ichiro. i think he only stole a little over 10 bases his last year in japan. i dont think they emphasize the SB with their star players.


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Why isn't he stealing now?


well right now he isnt b/c he is hurt. and i think he is still getting used to pitchers and catchers arms. b/c he doesn't look that willing to steal right now, but i think eventually he could steal 25-30 bases.


and i don't really like matsui but i would not mind him at 2nd base. the thing i hate about him is his defense.
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I can't believe you're even bothering to argue this, Timo. The guy obviously just loves Kaz and is blind to his shortcomings. Maybe he had a tMs-like infatuation with him.

The idea of him agreeing to play 2B only for the Yankees was reported back then too.
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I can't believe you're even bothering to argue this, Timo. The guy obviously just loves Kaz and is blind to his shortcomings. Maybe he had a tMs-like infatuation with him.

The idea of him agreeing to play 2B only for the Yankees was reported back then too.

actyally i dont care much for kaz but he is a good bat
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actyally i dont care much for kaz but he is a good bat

OK, a good bat maybe, but your original statement was a great bat. As of now, that's going overboard.
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actyally i dont care much for kaz but he is a good bat

OK, a good bat maybe, but your original statement was a great bat. As of now, that's going overboard.

maybe, how about potentiol to be great at times
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kaz is a good offensive player and has the ability to be better once he gets use to the pitching in the major leagues, ichiro has gotten better, hideki has gotten better, kaz just needs time! as for his defense, it sucks, plain and simple, hopefully he can play a good 2nd base next season cause if he can't then the mets are f*cked!!!
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kaz is a good offensive player and has the ability to be better once he gets use to the pitching in the major leagues, ichiro has gotten better, hideki has gotten better, kaz just needs time! as for his defense, it sucks, plain and simple, hopefully he can play a good 2nd base next season cause if he can't then the mets are f*cked!!!

What are you talking about? How exactly did ichiro get better? He had an amazing first year? Matsui also had a very good 1st year, though not as good as his second season.
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kaz is a good offensive player and has the ability to be better once he gets use to the pitching in the major leagues, ichiro has gotten better, hideki has gotten better, kaz just needs time! as for his defense, it sucks, plain and simple, hopefully he can play a good 2nd base next season cause if he can't then the mets are f*cked!!!

What are you talking about? How exactly did ichiro get better? He had an amazing first year? Matsui also had a very good 1st year, though not as good as his second season.

:please:

ichiro had a great first year but has stayed consistent throughout his mlb career, right now he is hitting better then he ever has, as for hideki come on timo let's not get silly, he is having a way better season then last season!!!
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kaz is a good offensive player and has the ability to be better once he gets use to the pitching in the major leagues, ichiro has gotten better, hideki has gotten better, kaz just needs time! as for his defense, it sucks, plain and simple, hopefully he can play a good 2nd base next season cause if he can't then the mets are f*cked!!!

What are you talking about? How exactly did ichiro get better? He had an amazing first year? Matsui also had a very good 1st year, though not as good as his second season.

:please:

ichiro had a great first year but has stayed consistent throughout his mlb career, right now he is hitting better then he ever has, as for hideki come on timo let's not get silly, he is having a way better season then last season!!!

Yes, he is. But he still had a very good rookie season.

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kaz is a good offensive player and has the ability to be better once he gets use to the pitching in the major leagues, ichiro has gotten better, hideki has gotten better, kaz just needs time! as for his defense, it sucks, plain and simple, hopefully he can play a good 2nd base next season cause if he can't then the mets are f*cked!!!

What are you talking about? How exactly did ichiro get better? He had an amazing first year? Matsui also had a very good 1st year, though not as good as his second season.

:please:

ichiro had a great first year but has stayed consistent throughout his mlb career, right now he is hitting better then he ever has, as for hideki come on timo let's not get silly, he is having a way better season then last season!!!

Yes, he is. But he still had a very good rookie season.

kaz is not having a shitty rookie season:

.275, 7 HR, 41 rbi's, 40 BB, 92 K's, 62 runs, 119 hits, 31 doubles, .337 OBS, .405 SLG, .742 OPS

those aren't great but they aren't bad either, kaz has improved as a hitter throughout the season, i think as his career continues he can hit .300, hit 15 homers, drive in 70-80 rbi's, hit 55-60 doubles and get 200 hits a season, he just needs more time to adjust to major league hitting!!!
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I'd like him to stay here and hopefully he will continue to improve on a somewhat impressive rookie year.
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I'd like him to stay here and hopefully he will continue to improve on a somewhat impressive rookie year.

agreed!!! :peace:
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I'd like him to stay here and hopefully he will continue to improve on a somewhat impressive rookie year.

agreed!!! :peace:

He can stay...if he plays 2nd base. Otherwise, I never want to see his face again! :peace:
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Thank God we didn't sign him.
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Thank God we didn't sign him.

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no you just signed kenny lofton!!! :peace:
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Thank God we didn't sign him.

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no you just signed kenny lofton!!! :peace:

What does Kenny Lofton have to do with this? And, actually, I'd rather have Lofton.
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Lofton is batting for a higher average and OBP than Kaz, has had more clutch hits in games that actually count (because his team is in playoff contention), and has probably thrown out more runners. :yes:
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and has probably thrown out more runners. :yes:

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please let's not compare the two, lofton's idiocy alone shouldn't warrant such an argument, the guy can't steal a base even though he is known for being a base stealer, he's always getting caught in a rundown cause he steals bases at the wrong time! kaz defense might be terrible but lofton is not far behind, he can't play center or rightfield, lol even steinbrenner got all up in his ass cause he sucked in rightfield, kaz has flaws but he's a good offensive player, i'll take him thank you! by the way what clutch hits are you talking about, besides that homerun against hoffman what has lofton done, kaz has gotten hits off of gagne, smoltz, isringhausen, won a game by himself by hitting a homerun off of randy johnson and owned your team (the yankees) when he faced them, the yankees couldn't stop kaz, he was getting hits left and right so please spare me, don't even talk about clutch!!! :peace:
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