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| Will Maddux be the last to reach 300 career wins? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 13 2004, 09:49 AM (143 Views) | |
| BaseballFan4 | Aug 13 2004, 09:49 AM Post #1 |
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I posted this topic on the MSG message boards a while back, maybe you guys/gals will have an opinion on this topic. SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Greg Maddux got to 300 wins with precision and pinpoint control, while Roger Clemens did it by just plain overpowering his opponents. While their styles are quite different, the two star pitchers share some similarities: Both have stayed healthy, are durable and are respected for their diligent preparation. Some believe Clemens and Maddux could be the last pitchers to make it to the 300 mark,which has become more difficult to reach in the era of five-man rotations, relief specialists and pitch-count limits. Could Maddux be one of the last 300-game winners? Will Maddux really be the last pitcher to win 300 career wins? |
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| Grandy4MVP | Aug 13 2004, 10:11 AM Post #2 |
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No, but it might be a while. :peace: |
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| Mattingly23 | Aug 13 2004, 10:13 AM Post #3 |
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I said about 3-4 years ago that Maddux and Clemens would be the last members of the 300 win club. I'll stand by that. Even though Glavine and Randy Johnson have shots, I think they're too old, and not on good enough teams to get all the way to 300. Even though I consider Big Unit better than Glavine, I would give Glavine (259) the edge on getting there because he's currently closer than the Unit (241). However, like I said, I will stick by what I said 3-4 years ago that Greg Maddux and Roger Clemens will be the last to win 300 games, at least for many years to come, probably forever. |
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| timotime | Aug 13 2004, 10:44 AM Post #4 |
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No. I think Glavine will get to 300, but it will probably be after his current contract with the Mets expires. Perhaps the braves give him a one year deal and he'll reach 300 there. |
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| Mets22 | Aug 13 2004, 05:05 PM Post #5 |
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i think glavine. b/c he can pitch for ever as long as someone keeps paying and he only needs 40 more wins(i think) also i think someone like mark mulder will b/c he constantly wins 20 games a year. and his style of pitching is similar to glavine, which reduces injuries |
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| TheOne | Aug 13 2004, 06:35 PM Post #6 |
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glavine has a chance, maybe if the mets get some good offensive players in the offseason they can win some games for him, besides glavine though i don't see anyone winning 300 games for a while!!! |
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| FloydNbunch | Aug 14 2004, 09:32 PM Post #7 |
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Does WrightNbunch sound good?
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No of course not, There will be a 300 game winner again. Some guy will dominate in the way pitchers do today and chalk up wins |
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| TheOne | Aug 14 2004, 09:56 PM Post #8 |
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exactly, good point!!! |
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| Mattingly23 | Aug 15 2004, 12:09 AM Post #9 |
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It's really not that much of a slam dunk as you're making it out to seem, Floyd. Name all of the 300 winners who pitched their whole careers in the 5 man rotation. |
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| VICTORious | Aug 15 2004, 12:56 AM Post #10 |
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nowadays pitchers get injured more often and dont pitch as much and that equals to less wins so it means getting three hundred would be very tough for the future generation but plausible. |
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| TheOne | Aug 15 2004, 04:33 AM Post #11 |
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i think guys like zito, mulder and hudson have a chance!!! |
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| Strider | Aug 15 2004, 07:58 AM Post #12 |
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I don't think there'll be another one for a long time, but I think its possible. Human beings (athletes included) keep getting better over time and you never know what the future will bring. The game changes over time. In 1880, if you had told the people that someone will hit 73 homeruns in a season, they probably wouldn't have believed you. Look no further than Lou Gehrig's plaque. Its the same thing with every sport. Maybe 200 years from now, some 20 year old with the best stuff ever seen will pitch 20 seasons and average 18 wins a year. :dunno: |
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| Giambi_MVP_25 | Aug 15 2004, 01:06 PM Post #13 |
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Misunderstood Genius
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Zito? :lmao: |
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| TheOne | Aug 15 2004, 03:00 PM Post #14 |
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that's if he gets his act together you little a-hole, he has 69 wins and is only 26 years old, another guy i would watch out for is c.c. sabathia who has 52 wins and is only 24 years old!!! |
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| Mattingly23 | Aug 15 2004, 03:04 PM Post #15 |
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OK, but even though they have gotten off to nice starts, do you realize how hard it will be to stay injury-free, for the most part, and get the next 230-250 wins? Mulder will have to average 16-17 wins for another 14 seasons. Sure, it is possible, but I would bet against it. |
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| TheOne | Aug 15 2004, 03:09 PM Post #16 |
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oh of course, all i'm saying is that it's possible!!! |
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| Mattingly23 | Aug 15 2004, 03:12 PM Post #17 |
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Oh yeah, it is definitely possible. It's just a lot less likely than in the past. |
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| TheOne | Aug 15 2004, 03:15 PM Post #18 |
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yeah i do agree with that!!! |
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| Mattingly23 | Aug 15 2004, 03:19 PM Post #19 |
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I'd like to see baseball go back to caring about pitching anyway. Everything is so offense-oriented. It's gotten out of hand. |
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| TheOne | Aug 15 2004, 03:25 PM Post #20 |
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yeah i know, pitching is so important to the game but yet hitting has become the main focus of baseball! one thing i don't like about the game now is that pitchers get taken out of games way too early, managers love these lefty and righty matchups, i just hate it, let the starters go deep into games until you can clearly see they are done!!! |
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| Grandy4MVP | Aug 15 2004, 03:28 PM Post #21 |
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There will be more, it will just will be a long time from now. Glavine has a shot, RJ is a long shot, Mussina is another long shot. Like I said, if those cats don't reach it, we may be waiting 20-25 years before we get another. |
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| I'mRickJamesBitch | Aug 15 2004, 03:30 PM Post #22 |
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El Duque will get that sh*t. He may never lose again. |
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| TheOne | Aug 15 2004, 03:32 PM Post #23 |
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I'm still better than you!
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:laugh: |
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| Venom | Aug 15 2004, 11:13 PM Post #24 |
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May the Force be with you
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Look at todays's Yankees game! Joey the Nose took out Brown after 6.1 innings to bring in freaking CJ Shitcowski to face Ichiro! Well, we all know how that f*cking turned out. It's not just Torre, it's a lot of managers all over baseball. Leave the f*cking starters in to decide the game!! Especially if it's your ace, or one of your best. If it's a trash 5th starter then I understad. Now, I'm not Jim Kaat, I'm not saying let them pitch 9 innings every game! But when Kevin Brown, the ace of the team, is on the mound with less than 100 pitches in the 7th, let him f*cking finish the inning!! Or leave him in until the game is tied or the other team takes the lead. Don't put the games in the hands of the bullpen every f*cking game, that sh*t pisses me off. :furious: |
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| TheOne | Aug 15 2004, 11:19 PM Post #25 |
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exactly, art howe does it all the time too, if a starting pitcher is going good and pitching a pretty damn good game there's no reason to take him out, it's all about f*cking pitch counts, f*ck that, let the pitcher throw more then 100 pitches, especially if he's your ace, managers these days!!! :no1: |
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| Venom | Aug 15 2004, 11:24 PM Post #26 |
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May the Force be with you
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:furious: I can see it now, it's 2-1 Yankees in the 7th. Kevin Brown pitching a great game. David Ortiz coming to the plate with 2 outs and 1 man on...... ...in comes Heredia. :serious: |
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| NYFanYGRK83 | Aug 15 2004, 11:55 PM Post #27 |
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It's just stupid!!!!! It never works!!!!!!!! :wall: :wall: :wall: |
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