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Things to Do This Off-Season; Planned Out Ideas
Topic Started: Aug 12 2004, 09:15 AM (110 Views)
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Things to do this off-season

1. Sign us Wilson Alvarez or Rheal Cormier for Left-handed relief. Alvarez has become very reliable the past two years with LA, amassing very good strikeout numbers and solid numbers as a starter/reliever, and considering the alternative of another year with Heredia, he makes a lot of sense. Don't know Cormier's numbers, but he's slipped a little this year. Probably would want Alvarez. If a mutual option that Seattle has with Guardado doesn't get picked up, he obviously becomes the priority. I know Heredia is signed through next year, but I don't doubt for a second this clown gets released.

2. Sign Odalis Perez or Eric Milton. We have enough right-handers in the rotation. One of the advantages of Yankee Stadium is the deep left-field dimensions. Take advantage of that with an aquisition of either Perez or Milton. I prefer Perez purely because I think he has higher upside, is younger, and for some reason I would trust him in a big spot. Milton's not a bad fall back. He has bad numbers in Phillie ERA wise, but his strikeout numbers are very good and he's winning. He could benefit from moving to a much better stadium.

2. * Inquire with Arizona in the off-season about the availability of Randy Johnson. If he becomes available and we have a package the DBacks want, you gotta do this instead of Milton or Perez. However, I astericked this because I doubt it very much. But still, you gotta cover all possible avenues.

3. I'd inquire to Troy Percival about making him another setup guy with Gordon and backup for Rivera. If he's willing to accept a setup role, you go Quantrill-Percival-Gordon-Rivera. That's the deepest bullpen I can think of. Plus, all 4 are different style pitchers. Anaheim is going to dump Percival most likely, so this scenario is somewhat probable. If not, steal Scott Williamson away from Boston.

3. *I'm not sold on Karsay being healthy, but if he is, you have to scrap this idea completely unless you make Karsay a long-reliever, which is doubtful.

4. Trade Lofton or Bernie to make room for the signing of Beltran. I really don't doubt for a second we're signing Beltran, becuase that's the kind of guy George covets. I imagine a deal like 5 years, 70 mil or so will get him. Obviously, whichever of Lofton or Bernie remains should learn to play 1B in case of the inevitable Giambi injury or when Giambi has to DH.

5. Mutiple scenarios at 2B- Dump Enrique and sign Craig Counsell, splitting time with Cairo starting at 2B. If Counsell won't sign, go for Tomas Perez. If Cairo leaves to FA, then sign Bret Boone, Tony Womack, or Pokey Reese to start. This can go a multitude of ways.

6. Re-sign Travis Lee, Sierra, Lieber, and El Duque. I could see Lieber's option being dropped though, but I would pick it up for the inevitable starting injury insurance.

I know the payroll would be high. I'm not an idiot. But this is what I think George would be willing to do.

Going off those ideas, we'd have a 2005 team like this

CF- Beltran(With his speed and our lineup, this guy leads off)
SS- Jeter
3B- Rodriguez
1B- Giambi
RF- Sheffield
LF- Matsui
C- Posada
2B- Boone or DH- Lofton/Bernie
DH- Lofton/Bernie or 2B- Womack/Cairo/Counsell/Reese

Bench
C- Flaherty
1B/OF- Lee or 1B/3B/Possibly OF- Greg Colbrunn or Tony Clark
Util- Wilson, Counsell, or Tomas Perez
OF- Sierra or Catalanatto
OF- Crosby

Starting Rotation
SP- Mussina
SP- Brown
SP- Vazquez
SP- Perez or Milton or ***Randy Johnson(Lot less probable)
SP- El Duque
Insurance and Long Relief- Lieber
LHP- Alvarez/Cormier
RHP- Karsay/Percival/Williamson
RHP- Quantrill
RHP- Gordon
RHP- Rivera
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Weren't you one of the guys who ripped me when I said get Wilson Alvarez this year?
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Things to do this off-season

1. Sign us Wilson Alvarez or Rheal Cormier for Left-handed relief. Alvarez has become very reliable the past two years with LA, amassing very good strikeout numbers and solid numbers as a starter/reliever, and considering the alternative of another year with Heredia, he makes a lot of sense. Don't know Cormier's numbers, but he's slipped a little this year. Probably would want Alvarez. If a mutual option that Seattle has with Guardado doesn't get picked up, he obviously becomes the priority. I know Heredia is signed through next year, but I don't doubt for a second this clown gets released.

2. Sign Odalis Perez or Eric Milton. We have enough right-handers in the rotation. One of the advantages of Yankee Stadium is the deep left-field dimensions. Take advantage of that with an aquisition of either Perez or Milton. I prefer Perez purely because I think he has higher upside, is younger, and for some reason I would trust him in a big spot. Milton's not a bad fall back. He has bad numbers in Phillie ERA wise, but his strikeout numbers are very good and he's winning. He could benefit from moving to a much better stadium.

2. * Inquire with Arizona in the off-season about the availability of Randy Johnson. If he becomes available and we have a package the DBacks want, you gotta do this instead of Milton or Perez. However, I astericked this because I doubt it very much. But still, you gotta cover all possible avenues.

3. I'd inquire to Troy Percival about making him another setup guy with Gordon and backup for Rivera. If he's willing to accept a setup role, you go Quantrill-Percival-Gordon-Rivera. That's the deepest bullpen I can think of. Plus, all 4 are different style pitchers. Anaheim is going to dump Percival most likely, so this scenario is somewhat probable. If not, steal Scott Williamson away from Boston.

3. *I'm not sold on Karsay being healthy, but if he is, you have to scrap this idea completely unless you make Karsay a long-reliever, which is doubtful.

4. Trade Lofton or Bernie to make room for the signing of Beltran. I really don't doubt for a second we're signing Beltran, becuase that's the kind of guy George covets. I imagine a deal like 5 years, 70 mil or so will get him. Obviously, whichever of Lofton or Bernie remains should learn to play 1B in case of the inevitable Giambi injury or when Giambi has to DH.

5. Mutiple scenarios at 2B- Dump Enrique and sign Craig Counsell, splitting time with Cairo starting at 2B. If Counsell won't sign, go for Tomas Perez. If Cairo leaves to FA, then sign Bret Boone, Tony Womack, or Pokey Reese to start. This can go a multitude of ways.

6. Re-sign Travis Lee, Sierra, Lieber, and El Duque. I could see Lieber's option being dropped though, but I would pick it up for the inevitable starting injury insurance.

I know the payroll would be high. I'm not an idiot. But this is what I think George would be willing to do.

Going off those ideas, we'd have a 2005 team like this

CF- Beltran(With his speed and our lineup, this guy leads off)
SS- Jeter
3B- Rodriguez
1B- Giambi
RF- Sheffield
LF- Matsui
C- Posada
2B- Boone or DH- Lofton/Bernie
DH- Lofton/Bernie or 2B- Womack/Cairo/Counsell/Reese

Bench
C- Flaherty
1B/OF- Lee or 1B/3B/Possibly OF- Greg Colbrunn or Tony Clark
Util- Wilson, Counsell, or Tomas Perez
OF- Sierra or Catalanatto
OF- Crosby

Starting Rotation
SP- Mussina
SP- Brown
SP- Vazquez
SP- Perez or Milton or ***Randy Johnson(Lot less probable)
SP- El Duque
Insurance and Long Relief- Lieber
LHP- Alvarez/Cormier
RHP- Karsay/Percival/Williamson
RHP- Quantrill
RHP- Gordon
RHP- Rivera

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1. Sign us Wilson Alvarez or Rheal Cormier for Left-handed relief. Alvarez has become very reliable the past two years with LA, amassing very good strikeout numbers and solid numbers as a starter/reliever, and considering the alternative of another year with Heredia, he makes a lot of sense. Don't know Cormier's numbers, but he's slipped a little this year. Probably would want Alvarez. If a mutual option that Seattle has with Guardado doesn't get picked up, he obviously becomes the priority. I know Heredia is signed through next year, but I don't doubt for a second this clown gets released.


I'm all for Cormer and any other options out there. We have to find a way of getting rid of Heredia. Guardado doesn't sound like an option any more due to his arm probs.

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2. Sign Odalis Perez or Eric Milton. We have enough right-handers in the rotation. One of the advantages of Yankee Stadium is the deep left-field dimensions. Take advantage of that with an aquisition of either Perez or Milton. I prefer Perez purely because I think he has higher upside, is younger, and for some reason I would trust him in a big spot. Milton's not a bad fall back. He has bad numbers in Phillie ERA wise, but his strikeout numbers are very good and he's winning. He could benefit from moving to a much better stadium.


I would definitely go after Milton. His ERA is high, but he could be experiencing some dead arm. He only threw 17 innings last year. Perez worries me because of his arm troubles. LA would probably rather part with Ishii, but no thanks.

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2. * Inquire with Arizona in the off-season about the availability of Randy Johnson. If he becomes available and we have a package the DBacks want, you gotta do this instead of Milton or Perez. However, I astericked this because I doubt it very much. But still, you gotta cover all possible avenues.


I'd rather go after Johnson towards the deadline again. We have too much of an aging pitching staff right now. I'd much rather go after Pavano and Milton.

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3. I'd inquire to Troy Percival about making him another setup guy with Gordon and backup for Rivera. If he's willing to accept a setup role, you go Quantrill-Percival-Gordon-Rivera. That's the deepest bullpen I can think of. Plus, all 4 are different style pitchers. Anaheim is going to dump Percival most likely, so this scenario is somewhat probable. If not, steal Scott Williamson away from Boston.


I'd stay away from Percival. His degenerative hip problem is getting worse every year. I also don't think he'd accept that set up role. Williamson seems to have too many arm problems, but then again maybe it's just the Dead Sox taint. Right now I would sign Danny Patterson (just released by the Tigers) to a minor league deal. If he can get back to where he was, he can be awesome.

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4. Trade Lofton or Bernie to make room for the signing of Beltran. I really don't doubt for a second we're signing Beltran, becuase that's the kind of guy George covets. I imagine a deal like 5 years, 70 mil or so will get him. Obviously, whichever of Lofton or Bernie remains should learn to play 1B in case of the inevitable Giambi injury or when Giambi has to DH.



Bernie stays, Lofton goes. Bernie is Mr. Yankee. Lofton will not be happy in a very reduced role. I wouldn't give Beltran any larger of a contract then what you said. You can bet Boras will want more, but those days are over. Bernie will accept the role to finish his career as a Yankee.

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5. Mutiple scenarios at 2B- Dump Enrique and sign Craig Counsell, splitting time with Cairo starting at 2B. If Counsell won't sign, go for Tomas Perez. If Cairo leaves to FA, then sign Bret Boone, Tony Womack, or Pokey Reese to start. This can go a multitude of ways.



I'd love to see Cairo get the starting job with Cano being eased into some playing time towards the end of the year. I'd rather not have Boone or Womack. As little as Pokey can hit, his defense would be a great addition. Enrique's spot could be taken by a lot of people.

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6. Re-sign Travis Lee, Sierra, Lieber, and El Duque. I could see Lieber's option being dropped though, but I would pick it up for the inevitable starting injury insurance.


I think Tony Clark has earned a shot to come back here. Who knows how Lee's shoulder will be. I think Lieber will do very well next year after a year back from TJ surgery.
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I like Cairo alot, but if we could get Pokey Reese I think you make that move. I'd also like to add a Desi Relaford type player, especially if Cairo becomes an everyday player.
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I like Cairo alot, but if we could get Pokey Reese I think you make that move. I'd also like to add a Desi Relaford type player, especially if Cairo becomes an everyday player.

Desi would be an excellent additon as a UT player.
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i dont know if beltan is the right fit for this team. every position is pretty much set for the next few years and i think it would be smart to try and find a legit leadoff guy for one of those 2 spots. maybe we can pry pierre away from florida or a long shot ichiro. or at second theres vidro who has a pretty good avg usually and a decent on base pct and can leadoff, but he seems to be breaking down lately.
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i dont know if beltan is the right fit for this team. every position is pretty much set for the next few years and i think it would be smart to try and find a legit leadoff guy for one of those 2 spots. maybe we can pry pierre away from florida or a long shot ichiro. or at second theres vidro who has a pretty good avg usually and a decent on base pct and can leadoff, but he seems to be breaking down lately.

I'd much rather have Beltran than Pierre.
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its not about whos a better player, its whos a better fit. and with the pile of money they would save on beltran they could get more pitching. with this team a good leadoff hitter is more important than another 3 or 4 hitter.
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Here's an idea, we trade Proctor and another prospect to Milwakee for Junior Spivey, and plug him in the leadoff spot. Sign Beltran, bat him 3rd, with A-Rod 4th, Sheff 5th and Giambi 6th.

2B Spivey
SS Jeter
CF Beltran
3B Rodriguez
RF Sheffield
1B Giambi
C Posada
LF Matsui
DH Williams

can you say unstoppable?
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we trade Proctor and another prospect to Milwakee for Junior Spivey,

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Here's an idea, we trade Proctor and another prospect to Milwakee for Junior Spivey, and plug him in the leadoff spot. Sign Beltran, bat him 3rd, with A-Rod 4th, Sheff 5th and Giambi 6th.

2B Spivey
SS Jeter
CF Beltran
3B Rodriguez
RF Sheffield
1B Giambi
C Posada
LF Matsui
DH Williams

can you say unstoppable?

:please: Spivey is always hurt.
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Beltran is batting about .260 this season, doesn't have a high OBP, and is on pace to hit about 35 homeruns. Why the hell would we be batting him leadoff? Will I have to go into the "Why bat Soriano leadoff" thing again? I'd rather him bat second and let Jeter leadoff. Higher OBP and BA goes should bat infront of the power. Instead of a solo homerun to lead off the inning, then a single, you want the single then 2-run homer. Get it?

I wanted Juan Pierre last year, but that wasn't happening and won't happen. I actually think that he'd be a better fit than Beltran. He'd command less money and gives us a true leadoff hitter. He's not as good a fielder, but he has a lot of range out in center. But I know its not happening.

btw - Pierre's stolen base numbers are down this season and some people point to the fact that he went to Cris Carter's camp for speed training in the off season and may have changed his running style. How the hell does Cris Carter have a speed camp?
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Things to do this off-season

1. Sign us Wilson Alvarez or Rheal Cormier for Left-handed relief. Alvarez has become very reliable the past two years with LA, amassing very good strikeout numbers and solid numbers as a starter/reliever, and considering the alternative of another year with Heredia, he makes a lot of sense. Don't know Cormier's numbers, but he's slipped a little this year. Probably would want Alvarez. If a mutual option that Seattle has with Guardado doesn't get picked up, he obviously becomes the priority. I know Heredia is signed through next year, but I don't doubt for a second this clown gets released.

Wouldn't mind Alvarez, but I'd prefer Steve Kline or Trever Miller ovre Cromier.

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2. Sign Odalis Perez or Eric Milton. We have enough right-handers in the rotation. One of the advantages of Yankee Stadium is the deep left-field dimensions. Take advantage of that with an aquisition of either Perez or Milton. I prefer Perez purely because I think he has higher upside, is younger, and for some reason I would trust him in a big spot. Milton's not a bad fall back. He has bad numbers in Phillie ERA wise, but his strikeout numbers are very good and he's winning. He could benefit from moving to a much better stadium.


Milton actually has a higher ERA on the road than at home, but I wouldn't mind him as a 5th starter though. Not for the $9,000,000 he's getting this year though. Perez I think is benefitting from Dodger Stadium, but if he's healthy, I'd rather go after him than Milton.

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2. * Inquire with Arizona in the off-season about the availability of Randy Johnson. If he becomes available and we have a package the DBacks want, you gotta do this instead of Milton or Perez. However, I astericked this because I doubt it very much. But still, you gotta cover all possible avenues.


Would love to have him, but I don't think they'll be moving him.

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3. I'd inquire to Troy Percival about making him another setup guy with Gordon and backup for Rivera. If he's willing to accept a setup role, you go Quantrill-Percival-Gordon-Rivera. That's the deepest bullpen I can think of. Plus, all 4 are different style pitchers. Anaheim is going to dump Percival most likely, so this scenario is somewhat probable. If not, steal Scott Williamson away from Boston.


Percival's having a pretty bad year. He's got a 1.38 K/BB. That's bad. Also, I think he'd want more money than he deserves.

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3. *I'm not sold on Karsay being healthy, but if he is, you have to scrap this idea completely unless you make Karsay a long-reliever, which is doubtful.


I'd actually prefer to trade Karsay right now. We have two guys who are doing great in his role, so he's pretty much useless. If we could trade Karsay, I'd like to give Halsey his spot.

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4. Trade Lofton or Bernie to make room for the signing of Beltran. I really don't doubt for a second we're signing Beltran, becuase that's the kind of guy George covets. I imagine a deal like 5 years, 70 mil or so will get him. Obviously, whichever of Lofton or Bernie remains should learn to play 1B in case of the inevitable Giambi injury or when Giambi has to DH.


Lofton's not gonna be here, I hope so. Bernie's not going anywhere.

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5. Mutiple scenarios at 2B- Dump Enrique and sign Craig Counsell, splitting time with Cairo starting at 2B. If Counsell won't sign, go for Tomas Perez. If Cairo leaves to FA, then sign Bret Boone, Tony Womack, or Pokey Reese to start. This can go a multitude of ways.


I'd love to get rid of Wilson. Counsell would be a nice option, like you said. Regarding the starting role, I think Cairo's proving he can start for us. I love what he's done for us so far. I'm not interested in the guys you mentioned, especially Boone.

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6. Re-sign Travis Lee, Sierra, Lieber, and El Duque. I could see Lieber's option being dropped though, but I would pick it up for the inevitable starting injury insurance.


I wouldn't pick Lieber's option up. He'll make $8,000,000 if we do, and I think if we buy him out ($250,000), he'll sign for about 4-5 million.
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