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The Off-Season Plan; Since We've all quit on this year
Topic Started: Aug 9 2004, 08:21 PM (236 Views)
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OK, first of all, there shouldnt be too many changes, bc/ with a healthy and productive Piazza they're in the wildcard race. So we cant get ridiculous and try to sign everybody.

2nd, Piazza should be moved back behind the plate, he handles pitchers the best out of the 3 of them and he has failed at 1B.

3rd, I love Cliff Floyd's enthuisiasim and energy, but its his time. His legs are shot, hes already missed 25 games this year and now hes hurt again, power numbers are down, so is his range in the field. Hes no longer someone a winning national leaggue team can depend on. His left handed power bat must be replaced.

Ok so heres the plan:

Sign Magglio Ordonez

The only way this will be a successful off-season is if we sign Magglio. Someone brought up his knee injury, well for me its a moot point bc/ he was all healed by July 15 and he just got unlucky and had a seperate bone marrow problem that has ended his season. He will be 30 years old next season, and in a full season he could easily hit .300 35 hr's and 100 RBI. He must be signed.

Resign Kris Benson

He is part of the future of the pitching staff. period. thats it. re-sgn him, let him and Zambrano become what they will here.

Trade Cliff Floyd to the Texas Rangers for SP, Sam Narron and SP, Erik Thompson

Narron: 7-1 3.86 ERA 6 IP per start (AAA)
Thompson: 6-6 2.98 ERA 6 IP per start (AA)

Having lost Peterson and Kazmir we need to replace prospects at high levels, although they will probably never play from the Mets, Thompson and Narron should be turned over at the trading deadline to allow the Mets to compete for the playoffs down the stretch.

Promote Craig Brazell from Norfolk

The reason Huber was traded instead of Brazell is bc/ Piazza will move behind the plate for 4-5 more years. Enough time for Ty Davidson to get ready. Anyway, now that Brazell has a position to play, give him a chance, there will be a contingency plan.

Sign Hidalgo to a 2 year deal

I migh prefer to replace him with Everett or Bautista, but he K's less than Everett and has more power than Bautista. He's a solid 6th hitter.

Sign Tino Martinez to back up at 1B

The contingency plan, has more pop than Valent, who moves to the OF. 39 years old but still has 15 HR power, if Brazell fails and he, Valent and Phillips hold it down till the deadline.

Move Jose Reyes to SS, Kazuo Matsui to 2B

I wont go into detail on this one.

Bench Roles

C, Jason Phillips (versatility)
1B, Tino Martinez
OF, Eric Valent
OF, Prentice Redman
IF, Tomas Perez/Danny Garcia (if he learns 3B)

Lineup

SS, Jose Reyes
2B, Kaz Matsui
3B, David Wright
LF, Magglio Ordonez
C, Mike Piazza
RF, Richard Hidalgo
CF, Mike Cameron
1B, Craig Brazell

Excercise Option on Al Leiter

really? yes really, his ERA is just not right

Rotation

Tom Glavine
Victor Zambrano
Al Leiter
Kris Benson
Steve Trachsel

Sign Steve Kline

Hes a veteran with a rubber arm that gets lefties out. #1 lefty


Resign Mike DeJean

Peterson has improved him and he has always been a good #2 righty for National league teams.

Let Bottalico, Yates and Strickland battle for last spot in Spring

Yates cant start, but he can throw 97, and if you throw 97 you can be an effective reliever. Winner takes the last spot, if its not Yates he goes to AAA and Bottalico or Strickland get their release.

Sign Felix Rodriguez and promote Royce Ring

At one time he was one of the most dominant set up guys in the game. Peterson should be able to fix him, and if not hes still solid. Ring is just ready.

Bullpen

Looper

Rodriguez-Kline
DeJean-Ring
*Bottalico-Stanton

Pray Wipon has the balls to fire his guy Art Howe

Replace him with Don Baylor
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bc/ with a healthy and productive Piazza they're in the wildcard race.


Thats not going to happen. Big Mike is done, eventually ALL catchers hit a wall and that is what Piazza has done
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I don't trust Craig brazell starting full time. I'd prefer that Cliff Floyd be moved to 1b or they sign a guy like Konerko, who I think is on the verge of super-stardom.
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I don't trust Craig brazell starting full time. I'd prefer that Cliff Floyd be moved to 1b or they sign a guy like Konerko, who I think is on the verge of super-stardom


Brazell strikes out way too much so I agree. SIGN DELGADO!!!
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Aug 9 2004, 07:39 PM
I don't trust Craig brazell starting full time. I'd prefer that Cliff Floyd be moved to 1b or they sign a guy like Konerko, who I think is on the verge of super-stardom.

He deserves the chace.

Floyd wont play 1B. Konerko is righthanded, thats a huge flaw cause it would leave are 2 lefties at the top of the order followed by 6 righties.

Give Brazell a chance, start him bat him 8th. Thats not a big deal. And if hes horrendous, Tino Martinez, Eric Valent and Jason Phillips would be capable of filling in for a month.
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SIGN DELGADO!!!
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you think a lot like me 350 i like this lineup for next year
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Aug 9 2004, 07:52 PM
SIGN DELGADO!!!

You have to think more.

Delgado would push the payroll past 95-100 million. (project additions I mentioned to 85-93 million) Hes not getting signed.

And thats not even going into his stats this year
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Aug 9 2004, 08:47 PM
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Aug 9 2004, 07:39 PM
I don't trust Craig brazell starting full time. I'd prefer that Cliff Floyd be moved to 1b or they sign a guy like Konerko, who I think is on the verge of super-stardom.

He deserves the chace.

Floyd wont play 1B. Konerko is righthanded, thats a huge flaw cause it would leave are 2 lefties at the top of the order followed by 6 righties.

Give Brazell a chance, start him bat him 8th. Thats not a big deal. And if hes horrendous, Tino Martinez, Eric Valent and Jason Phillips would be capable of filling in for a month.

Not a terrible plan, if Floyd refuses to play 1b(It's worth a try) and they can't get Delgado or Konerko I wouldn't have a big problem with what you suggested.

One guy I definitely don't want that I've heard the Mets have interest in is JT Snow.
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Aug 9 2004, 07:52 PM
you think a lot like me 350 i like this lineup for next year

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I don't trust Craig brazell starting full time. I'd prefer that Cliff Floyd be moved to 1b or they sign a guy like Konerko, who I think is on the verge of super-stardom.

He deserves the chace.

Floyd wont play 1B. Konerko is righthanded, thats a huge flaw cause it would leave are 2 lefties at the top of the order followed by 6 righties.

Give Brazell a chance, start him bat him 8th. Thats not a big deal. And if hes horrendous, Tino Martinez, Eric Valent and Jason Phillips would be capable of filling in for a month.

Not a terrible plan, if Floyd refuses to play 1b(It's worth a try) and they can't get Delgado or Konerko I wouldn't have a big problem with what you suggested.

One guy I definitely don't want that I've heard the Mets have interest in is JT Snow.

Floyd will probably get traded. theres a million reasons why. and thats a nice deal with Texas to get high level pithing.

Whoever plays 1B should bat near the bottom of the lineup anyway, Brazell has torn up AAA for a year and a half and Tino Martinez will hit 20 Hr's this year. We dont need to add a ton of power to the lineup, I know its fun to think about, but this is more realistic
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Aug 9 2004, 07:39 PM
I don't trust Craig brazell starting full time. I'd prefer that Cliff Floyd be moved to 1b or they sign a guy like Konerko, who I think is on the verge of super-stardom.

He deserves the chace.

Floyd wont play 1B. Konerko is righthanded, thats a huge flaw cause it would leave are 2 lefties at the top of the order followed by 6 righties.

Give Brazell a chance, start him bat him 8th. Thats not a big deal. And if hes horrendous, Tino Martinez, Eric Valent and Jason Phillips would be capable of filling in for a month.

Not a terrible plan, if Floyd refuses to play 1b(It's worth a try) and they can't get Delgado or Konerko I wouldn't have a big problem with what you suggested.

One guy I definitely don't want that I've heard the Mets have interest in is JT Snow.

Floyd will probably get traded. theres a million reasons why. and thats a nice deal with Texas to get high level pithing.

Whoever plays 1B should bat near the bottom of the lineup anyway, Brazell has torn up AAA for a year and a half and Tino Martinez will hit 20 Hr's this year. We dont need to add a ton of power to the lineup, I know its fun to think about, but this is more realistic

I don't really think it would be wise to add another high K guy though.

if you're talking about "second tier" guys to play 1b, how about Frank Catalanotto? He's very underrated.
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Brazell has really toned down his K's and it wouldnt be bad to add Brazell bc/ he or Hidalgo would bat 8th. His k's wouldnt hurt too much.

Brazell currently has 76 K's in 390 AB's. in a 500 AB season thats 95 K's

Hes also hitting .305 with 20 HR's and 60 RBI.

What more does he have to do to get a chance?

And if he fails Tino Martinez currently has only 45 K's, and as many HR's as Cliff Floyd
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ill admit i didnt like brazell much either earlier in the season but that changed about 2 weeks ago thats when his avg. climbed above .300, usually k's equal to a lower batting avg. but his avg. is just fine.
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This is probably one of the few times I'll agree with njd. He must have been sober when he wrote this. :serious:

I like all the proposed moves, especially bringing up Brazell, who looks more and more like a power lefty bat. He does K a lot, which will only increase at the MLB level, but he still has excellent power to all fields. (ie. not a pull hitter)

Also, I do believe the Mets should shop Piazza during this offseason. At this point, it's not about loyalty to him, but simply what is better for both sides. Piazza needs to DH very soon because he can't play 1B and catching restricts him severly. And that in turn has effected his bat, which is what we need. The best thing that could happen to him would be if he is on an AL team next year. Slim chance because I doubt the Mets will shop him, and even if they do, his contract will keep away potential bidders. But Mike deserves a chance to prolong his career and the Mets owe it to him to at least give him that chance.

Signing Mags is an absolute no-brainer. We need a legitimate threat and he'd give us that immediately. That would then allow for us to choose between trading Floyd or resigning Hidalgo. I'd rather have Floyd's streaky lefty bat than Hidalgo's streaky righty bat simply because w/o Floyd, we'd be counting on Brazell and a bench player like Tino to provide power from the left side.


I'll assume the Mets won't trade Piazza or Floyd and I get a lineup of:
SS-Reyes
2B-Kaz
3B-Wright
RF-Mags
C-Piazza
LF-Floyd
C-Cameron
1B-Brazell/Tino

That lineup has great balance from both sides of the plate. For the bullpen Kline would be nice, but I doubt Wilpon would dish out the money to sign multiple impact players if he allows Duquette to sign Mags. Guys like Kline and F-Rod would be nice additions though, no question about that.
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kline yes --- f rod no
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Aug 9 2004, 09:10 PM
kline yes --- f rod no

Kline will probably be a Yankee. That leaves, um? :dunno:
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Tino won't sign on to be a backup.
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Aug 9 2004, 09:45 PM
Tino won't sign on to be a backup.

In New York he might, especially since he wouldnt get alot of starting offers.

If they trade Piazza, then trade him at the deadline next year.

Hidalgo is better then Floyd bc/ Floyd just can not stay healthy. He already missed 25 games and hes playing hurt right now
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Aug 9 2004, 10:52 PM
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Tino won't sign on to be a backup.

In New York he might, especially since he wouldnt get alot of starting offers.

If they trade Piazza, then trade him at the deadline next year.

Hidalgo is better then Floyd bc/ Floyd just can not stay healthy. He already missed 25 games and hes playing hurt right now

But Floyd is lefthanded, will hit for a higher average, and is able to steal bases in key situations.

Floyd has also, along with Mike Cameron, taken a major learship role with this team.
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Do you remember how he did with the Cards? I don't think he'd want to go back to the NL.

If signs with any team to be a backup, I think it'd be the Yankees. Him and Jeter are best friends, everyone on the team loves him, and he's a fan favorite.
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Aug 9 2004, 09:55 PM
Do you remember how he did with the Cards? I don't think he'd want to go back to the NL.

If signs with any team to be a backup, I think it'd be the Yankees. Him and Jeter are best friends, everyone on the team loves him, and he's a fan favorite.

He did well in St. Louis

2002: .262 21 75 .337 OBP
2003: .273 15 69 .352 OBP

Whoever plays 1B for the Mets nect year, ill take those nymbers in a heartbeat
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Compare that to what he did with the Yankees:

.278, 29 HR, 115 RBI, .348 OBP.

He's much more comfortable in the AL. Just look at what he's doing with the D-Rays this year.
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Aug 9 2004, 10:15 PM
Compare that to what he did with the Yankees:

.278, 29 HR, 115 RBI, .348 OBP.

He's much more comfortable in the AL. Just look at what he's doing with the D-Rays this year.

Thats when he was in his prime, (he was a Yankee from ages 29-33) he wont hit 30 hr's again in his career

.282 16 51 w/ TB

Thats very similar to his STL numbers

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Yeah, and there's about a month and a half left in the season!
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Yeah so he'll probably edn up around 20 Hr's 65 RBI average could go either way.

Hes still the same player in either league it really doesnt have much of an effect.

Atleast if you look at the stats!
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f*ck brazell, f*ck redman, f*ck tino, f*ck f-rod and f*ck hidalgo, that plan is garbage 350, for all that sh*t i'd rather keep floyd and let hidalgo walk! also if your going to have piazza catching then forget about brazell who is a strikeout waiting to happen and won't make it in the majors, i'd sign konerko before giving him a chance! felix rodriguez is overrated, he has choked time and time again in big spots, i'd re-sign bottalico and dejean to be the setup men! at least we can agree on this, magglio, kline and re-signing benson are musts, magglio ordonez is #1 on the list to sign, wilpon better spend the money and not f*ck up like he did last offseason!!!
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f*ck Brazell

Why? He Ks a lot, yes, but his play has warranted a shot. He's a home grown player afterall.

f*ck redman

Redman or Gerald Williams? :think: I pick Redman!

f*ck tino

He probably won't come here anyway, but it's worth a shot to bring him here. We need more Lefty options. That has become crystal clear this season.

f*ck f-rod

I'd agree. I think we're better of signing a closer and making Loops a setup man.

f*ck hidalgo

I believe you're stretching into Ray's territory with that. Don't go there.

But I agree that Hidalgo shouldn't be resigned.

that plan is garbage 350

no it's not.

for all that sh*t i'd rather keep floyd and let hidalgo walk!

I'd agree. Floyd is a Lefty bat who still does have the potential to get hot.

also if your going to have piazza catching then forget about brazell who is a strikeout waiting to happen and won't make it in the majors, i'd sign konerko before giving him a chance!

But Konerko is a righty bat. The reason to bring up Brazell, is because he's a Lefty bat that hits for power. Strikeouts aside, he has proven that he can hit and is a cheap option. That's the same reason to bring in a guy like Tino, a guy that can come cheap. If we are to sign Mags, Wilpon will not give a Duquette the green light to get another superstar, so we have to use what we have already.

felix rodriguez is overrated, he has choked time and time again in big spots, i'd re-sign bottalico and dejean to be the setup men!

Bottalico has been shaky but still has a very good ERA, so I agree. Signing him would be nice. Dejean has also suprised me.

at least we can agree on this, magglio, kline and re-signing benson are musts, magglio ordonez is #1 on the list to sign, wilpon better spend the money and not f*ck up like he did last offseason!!!

Fat chance. We're going to be hearing about how they Mets have "medical" proof that Mags knee is not healed and we'll end up having another glorious (insert utility Righty OFer here) and (insert utility Lefty here) platoon next season. I don't see us getting Kline either, because I don't see the Yankees not overpaying for him. Benson looks like he will sign, but you never know with the stupidity of this Mets organization.
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who says brazzel has to play first he could play rf or lf and get some time at first
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Aug 10 2004, 12:35 PM
who says brazzel has to play first he could play rf or lf and get some time at first

I've heard his range is not good or else he'd be playing there for Norfolk. Definitely not in RF because he has no arm. Maybe LF, but that is where Cliff Floyd is most comfortable.
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