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Ice Cream Man headed up north?
Topic Started: Aug 6 2004, 02:18 AM (378 Views)
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Won't be happening. I can't stand them, bunch of classless players on that team.
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Aug 6 2004, 08:00 PM
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Aug 6 2004, 07:57 PM
He got Mike Meyers and Jeff Suppan last year. :serious:

If Cashman did that, you'd all crucify him.

He's made some bad moves, but the good ones far out weigh the bad. Meanwhile, Cashman is making deals for Vazquez instead of Schilling and Loaiza instead of Garcia or RJ. Keeping guys like Heredia around way too long. Get him out of here. If he really does want to go to Boston, by all means go, please.

There was no way we were getting Schilling. We would've had to have given up NJ and Soriano which meant that we'd have no A-Rod. Cashman would've been an idiot to make that trade, considering who the Red Sox gave up.
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Aug 6 2004, 08:13 PM
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He got Mike Meyers and Jeff Suppan last year. :serious:

If Cashman did that, you'd all crucify him.

He's made some bad moves, but the good ones far out weigh the bad. Meanwhile, Cashman is making deals for Vazquez instead of Schilling and Loaiza instead of Garcia or RJ. Keeping guys like Heredia around way too long. Get him out of here. If he really does want to go to Boston, by all means go, please.

There was no way we were getting Schilling. We would've had to have given up NJ and Soriano which meant that we'd have no A-Rod. Cashman would've been an idiot to make that trade, considering who the Red Sox gave up.

Colangelo has been getting killed in Arizona for the Schilling deal. To make matters worse, Sexon missed most of the year and may not re-sign. Plus Overbay has developed into a very good player.
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I say if Cashman were as great as some of you make him out to be he could've gotten a deal done and still had one of those two guys.
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Aug 6 2004, 08:17 PM
I say if Cashman were as great as some of you make him out to be he could've gotten a deal done and still had one of those two guys.

:please:

Did you see what he wanted for Unit?
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Aug 6 2004, 08:17 PM
I say if Cashman were as great as some of you make him out to be he could've gotten a deal done and still had one of those two guys.

You have to have the players to land the top players. Plus teams don't want to help the Yankees.

Colangelo took sh*t for Schilling. Do you see anyone else significant that the Sox got? They upgraded defensively with players that weren't in demand.
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I understand not getting the deal for Unit done, but looking back at all the trade possiblities the last few months, we should've had Garcia. Instead we're stuck with Loaiza. And still don't have a good lefty reliever. Cashman is not interested in helping this organization.

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Aug 6 2004, 08:23 PM
I understand not getting the deal for Unit done, but looking back at all the trade possiblities the last few months, we should've had Garcia. Instead we're stuck with Loaiza. And still don't have a good lefty reliever. Cashman is not interested in helping this organization.

:peace:

Did you bother to see what Chicago gave up to get him? Jeremy Reed is far better than any prospect we have. Miguel Olivo is a catcher who steps right into the starting lineup. Learn something before you make ridiculous comments. :peace:
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Great move by Theo. Anytime you can trade a great SS, potential HOF'er for two guys hitting 240 I think you have to make that move.
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Aug 6 2004, 08:33 PM
Great move by Theo. Anytime you can trade a great SS, potential HOF'er for two guys hitting 240 I think you have to make that move.

Well, it is better than only getting draft picks for him.
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They could've got Pavano for him and signed Cabrera as a FA in the offseason if they wanted him that bad.
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We had a deal in place for Garcia, then when Cashman pulled Contreras out of the deal the White Sox got Garcia.
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Great move by Theo. Anytime you can trade a great SS, potential HOF'er for two guys hitting 240 I think you have to make that move.

They had to improve their defense. Nomar had become a problem in the clubhouse and had NO intention of resigning in Boston. Epstein had to deal him.
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I understand if you have to deal someone. But they could've got more then they did.
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Aug 6 2004, 08:43 PM
I understand if you have to deal someone. But they could've got more then they did.

You just said it. Everyone knew he had to deal him, so he wouldn't have gotten as much as he could have.
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Really, Moo? Who could they have gotten? I think Epstein did the best job he could. No reason to believe otherwise, because he is always looking for ways to improve the team. He did hurt the offense somewhat, but the defense improved big time.
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Aug 6 2004, 08:46 PM
Really, Moo? Who could they have gotten? I think Epstein did the best job he could. No reason to believe otherwise, because he is always looking for ways to improve the team. He did hurt the offense somewhat, but the defense improved big time.

I'm not saying you're wrong about not being able to get more for Nomar, but it's amazing how you can tell exactly how well Epstein makes deals and how poorly Cashman does. Quite remarkable. :think:
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And alot of people, not just guys on this board but writers thought Arizona had to trade Randy Johnson. I don't think it was a terrible trade, I just think that when you trade away your #5 hitter and the face of the franchise the past few years you can get more then a slick fielding, average hitting 1st basemen and shortstop. I'm willing to bet Anaheim would've given them a nice package of prospects, the Pavano rumor was out there and who knows if they tried dealing with LA.
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Really, Moo?  Who could they have gotten?  I think Epstein did the best job he could.  No reason to believe otherwise, because he is always looking for ways to improve the team.  He did hurt the offense somewhat, but the defense improved big time.

I'm not saying you're wrong about not being able to get more for Nomar, but it's amazing how you can tell exactly how well Epstein makes deals and how poorly Cashman does. Quite remarkable. :think:

It's really not hard. What has Cashman done this season to significantly improve the pitching? He had a deal in place for Garcia, decides not to get it done. Loaiza is nothing more than a slight upgrade over Contreras. Heredia was here for way too long, we still don't have a good lefty reliever. Our focus should've been on improving the bullpen at the deadline because we should've already improved our starting pitching in late-May, early-June. Cashman is lazy. And on top of this, his wife it's his dream to go to Boston and help them win a WS. :wtf: NO WAY that should even be mentioned and I'm sure that didn't just come out of no where.
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Like its been said in this thread, if Cashman makes the type of deals Theo has made and assembles a team like Boston has you would crucify him.
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If he had added Garcia and gotten us a good lefty reliever I would not have crucified him. Hell if he was giving an effort I wouldn't complain about him. Instead, he must be telling his wife it's a dream of his to help Boston win a WS. Why else would she say something like that? If he wants to go, that is perfectly fine with me.
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Really, Moo?  Who could they have gotten?  I think Epstein did the best job he could.  No reason to believe otherwise, because he is always looking for ways to improve the team.  He did hurt the offense somewhat, but the defense improved big time.

I'm not saying you're wrong about not being able to get more for Nomar, but it's amazing how you can tell exactly how well Epstein makes deals and how poorly Cashman does. Quite remarkable. :think:

It's really not hard. What has Cashman done this season to significantly improve the pitching? He had a deal in place for Garcia, decides not to get it done. Loaiza is nothing more than a slight upgrade over Contreras. Heredia was here for way too long, we still don't have a good lefty reliever. Our focus should've been on improving the bullpen at the deadline because we should've already improved our starting pitching in late-May, early-June. Cashman is lazy. And on top of this, his wife it's his dream to go to Boston and help them win a WS. :wtf: NO WAY that should even be mentioned and I'm sure that didn't just come out of no where.


He had a deal in place for Garcia: Pure Conjecture.

Cashman is lazy: Ridiculous. He probably works harder than any other GM

it's his dream to go to Boston: read the whole article, dummy.


get a GM who will care about helping this team win a championship and not just sit their and eat ice cream: This is the sillyest argument I've ever heard.
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Really, Moo?  Who could they have gotten?  I think Epstein did the best job he could.  No reason to believe otherwise, because he is always looking for ways to improve the team.  He did hurt the offense somewhat, but the defense improved big time.

I'm not saying you're wrong about not being able to get more for Nomar, but it's amazing how you can tell exactly how well Epstein makes deals and how poorly Cashman does. Quite remarkable. :think:

It's really not hard. What has Cashman done this season to significantly improve the pitching? He had a deal in place for Garcia, decides not to get it done. Loaiza is nothing more than a slight upgrade over Contreras. Heredia was here for way too long, we still don't have a good lefty reliever. Our focus should've been on improving the bullpen at the deadline because we should've already improved our starting pitching in late-May, early-June. Cashman is lazy. And on top of this, his wife it's his dream to go to Boston and help them win a WS. :wtf: NO WAY that should even be mentioned and I'm sure that didn't just come out of no where.


He had a deal in place for Garcia: Pure Conjecture.

Cashman is lazy: Ridiculous. He probably works harder than any other GM

it's his dream to go to Boston: read the whole article, dummy.


get a GM who will care about helping this team win a championship and not just sit their and eat ice cream: This is the sillyest argument I've ever heard.

I read the whole article. I wouldn't expect Cashman and his wife to be saying to the paper that the NY Magazine article is true, that would be totally stupid. He knows how to talk to the press. But I bet he really does won't to go to Boston. We'll see in the next few years.
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Really, Moo?  Who could they have gotten?  I think Epstein did the best job he could.  No reason to believe otherwise, because he is always looking for ways to improve the team.  He did hurt the offense somewhat, but the defense improved big time.

I'm not saying you're wrong about not being able to get more for Nomar, but it's amazing how you can tell exactly how well Epstein makes deals and how poorly Cashman does. Quite remarkable. :think:

It's really not hard. What has Cashman done this season to significantly improve the pitching? He had a deal in place for Garcia, decides not to get it done. Loaiza is nothing more than a slight upgrade over Contreras. Heredia was here for way too long, we still don't have a good lefty reliever. Our focus should've been on improving the bullpen at the deadline because we should've already improved our starting pitching in late-May, early-June. Cashman is lazy. And on top of this, his wife it's his dream to go to Boston and help them win a WS. :wtf: NO WAY that should even be mentioned and I'm sure that didn't just come out of no where.


He had a deal in place for Garcia: Pure Conjecture.

Cashman is lazy: Ridiculous. He probably works harder than any other GM

it's his dream to go to Boston: read the whole article, dummy.


get a GM who will care about helping this team win a championship and not just sit their and eat ice cream: This is the sillyest argument I've ever heard.

I read the whole article. I wouldn't expect Cashman and his wife to be saying to the paper that the NY Magazine article is true, that would be totally stupid. He knows how to talk to the press. But I bet he really does won't to go to Boston. We'll see in the next few years.

Ok YF03, then excuse my dummy remark. We just disagree. :peace:
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What a shock that is. :peace:
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:o

What a shock that is. :peace:

Listen, I may be a sunshiner(optimist), but I try to be realistic too and call 'em as I see 'em... :peace:
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:o

What a shock that is.  :peace:

Listen, I may be a sunshiner(optimist), but I try to be realistic too and call 'em as I see 'em... :peace:

Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree. :peace:
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:o

What a shock that is.  :peace:

Listen, I may be a sunshiner(optimist), but I try to be realistic too and call 'em as I see 'em... :peace:

Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree. :peace:

Cool. As Vin would say, I'll drink to that! :drink:
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What a shock that is.  :peace:

Listen, I may be a sunshiner(optimist), but I try to be realistic too and call 'em as I see 'em... :peace:

Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree. :peace:

Cool. As Vin would say, I'll drink to that! :drink:

:rock:
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Aug 6 2004, 07:55 PM
What makes Epstein great? Probably the fact he's always a step ahead of other GMs, always working the phones, always has a back up plan if he doesn't get the guy he wants. Always looking to make improvements. The Sox' defense was a disgrace, and Nomar was disgruntled and bringing down clubhouse morale. So Epstein improved the defense and probably made things a little easier by dealing away a pissed off player. Meanwhile Cashman sits on his ass, doesn't get a good lefty reliever and ends up with Loaiza for Contreras. A very slight upgrade.

Epstein is a better GM.

How bout we let the boy wonder win one, just one World Series before we jump on his c*ck.
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