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Topic Started: Aug 3 2004, 06:15 PM (81 Views)
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Aug 3 2004, 06:15 PM
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Since im reading the book i cant help but pass along useful tidbits of info that somehow relate to the Mets. Ill just throw them all in here from now on.
With the ninth overall pick the A's passd on right handed flame thrower, Ben Sheets (the prefered choice of most A's scouts) and selected a crappy lefty with a 88 MPH fastball. "People were calling us f*ckin idiots for taking Zito"
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Aug 3 2004, 06:18 PM
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Since im reading the book i cant help but pass along useful tidbits of info that somehow relate to the Mets. Ill just throw them all in here from now on.
With the ninth overall pick the A's passd on right handed flame thrower, Ben Sheets (the prefered choice of most A's scouts) and selected a crappy lefty with a 88 MPH fastball. "People were calling us f*ckin idiots for taking Zito"
That was a very interesting pick. zito had more success early on, but right now it looks like Sheets is becoming the better pitcher.
But, by the time Sheets becomes that dominant pitcher he'll have left as a free agent, while the A's have already gotten what they wanted out of Zito.
The stuff on Lenny Dykstra was extremely interesting.
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Njdevils350
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Aug 3 2004, 06:24 PM
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Yeah, looking back the Mets destroyed Beanes career the way the rushed him...and that scout is a jackass for completely ignoring statistics when they were avaliable.
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Aug 3 2004, 06:25 PM
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Yeah, looking back the Mets destroyed Beanes career the way the rushed him...and that scout is a jackass for completely ignoring statistics when they were avaliable.
I don't think it falls on the mets. Beane just didn't have the desire to be the best baseball player he could be. It's not easy to develop mental makeup.
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Njdevils350
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Aug 3 2004, 06:29 PM
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but its 100x harder to develop mentally when you rushed to high A Ball. than next year your in AA w/ Strawberry and in a couple years Strawberry ha 70+ HR's in the bigs, Dykstra is up and your stuck down there labeled as the guy that didnt make it, even though you're still 22 or 23
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Aug 3 2004, 06:32 PM
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but its 100x harder to develop mentally when you rushed to high A Ball. than next year your in AA w/ Strawberry and in a couple years Strawberry ha 70+ HR's in the bigs, Dykstra is up and your stuck down there labeled as the guy that didnt make it, even though you're still 22 or 23
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The mets rushed Dykstra to high A ball, and he succeeded.
I don't think it really screwed the Mets, because they had a ton of relatively young OF talent at that time with Darryl Strawberry, Mookie WIlson, Lenny Dykstra, and kevin Mitchell.
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Aug 3 2004, 06:44 PM
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No it didnt screw the Mets, they won a WS, but I think Beane was too fragile for it
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Aug 3 2004, 08:06 PM
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To settle the agruement with Timo and Justin.
1. Kazmir wasnt on Beane top 20 list of players he could take without consequence of money or other teams (Like if he had the first 20 pick and money wasnt an option)
2. The A's only had 9+ mil to spend on 50 picks. They couldnt take Kazmir and his 2.15m price tag
And btw, i wouldnt be shocked at all if the Mets finish a deal with Rice university starter Phil Himber
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Aug 3 2004, 08:06 PM
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To settle the agruement with Timo and Justin.
1. Kazmir wasnt on Beane top 20 list of players he could take without consequence of money or other teams (Like if he had the first 20 pick and money wasnt an option)
2. The A's only had 9+ mil to spend on 50 picks. They couldnt take Kazmir and his 2.15m price tag
And btw, i wouldnt be shocked at all if the Mets finish a deal with Rice university starter Phil Himber
okay!!! :serious:
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Aug 3 2004, 08:22 PM
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To settle the agruement with Timo and Justin.
1. Kazmir wasnt on Beane top 20 list of players he could take without consequence of money or other teams (Like if he had the first 20 pick and money wasnt an option)
2. The A's only had 9+ mil to spend on 50 picks. They couldnt take Kazmir and his 2.15m price tag
And btw, i wouldnt be shocked at all if the Mets finish a deal with Rice university starter Phil Himber
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Aug 3 2004, 08:25 PM
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- Njdevils350
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To settle the agruement with Timo and Justin.
1. Kazmir wasnt on Beane top 20 list of players he could take without consequence of money or other teams (Like if he had the first 20 pick and money wasnt an option)
2. The A's only had 9+ mil to spend on 50 picks. They couldnt take Kazmir and his 2.15m price tag
And btw, i wouldnt be shocked at all if the Mets finish a deal with Rice university starter Phil Himber :smirk:
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Aug 4 2004, 07:44 PM
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Domoino Effect:
the night before the '01 Amatuer draft the first 20 picks of the draft were basically set, untill Colorado was forced to alter the top 10 bc/ they couldnt negiotiate a contract with OF Denard Span.
BJ Upton, Clint Everts, Zach Grienke and Chris Gruler will go quickly
Instead of span Coloradoo will use the 9th overall pick on P, Jeff Francis, originally expected to go 15th overall to the Mets.
The Mets were then expected to take Nick Swisher, an Ohio State centerfielder and top player on the A's draft board.
The A's will take Joe Blanton, originally earmaerked to go to the White Sox.
Gm Steve Phillips, less than happy with Swisher, tells Billy Beane that he will takes High School lefty Scott Kazmir if he were to fall that far (a player not even considered by the A's)
The Mets take Kazmir, The A's end up with Swisher and the Sox choose Royce Ring over Joe Blanton who goes back to the A's as a compensatory pick at the end of the round
You know the rest, but what if the Mets had drafted Swisher?
The Mets, having their star OF of the future would've passed on Lastings Miledge and selected HS pitcher Jeff Allison.
Fast forward to last week, Allison has now made his cocaine addiction public and left the Mets for treatment, while the Mets move in on prized RHP pitcher Kris Benson, they have nothing to offer D-Rays GM Chuck LaMar, who has no interest in Swisher since he has Delmon Young, Carl Crawford and Rocco Baldelli.
D-Rays trade Victor Zambrano to the Philadelphia Phillies in exchange for Scott Kazmir, choosen 17th overall in 2001
Zambrano joins Gavin Floyd as the Phillies top of the rotation 15 game winners and Kazmir closes games out for the Rays in front of 12 people at Tropicano field untill 2010 when he can sign a free agent contract with the Texas Rangers or Houston Astros
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Domoino Effect:
the night before the '01 Amatuer draft the first 20 picks of the draft were basically set, untill Colorado was forced to alter the top 10 bc/ they couldnt negiotiate a contract with OF Denard Span.
BJ Upton, Clint Everts, Zach Grienke and Chris Gruler will go quickly
Instead of span Coloradoo will use the 9th overall pick on P, Jeff Francis, originally expected to go 15th overall to the Mets.
The Mets were then expected to take Nick Swisher, an Ohio State centerfielder and top player on the A's draft board.
The A's will take Joe Blanton, originally earmaerked to go to the White Sox.
Gm Steve Phillips, less than happy with Swisher, tells Billy Beane that he will takes High School lefty Scott Kazmir if he were to fall that far (a player not even considered by the A's)
The Mets take Kazmir, The A's end up with Swisher and the Sox choose Royce Ring over Joe Blanton who goes back to the A's as a compensatory pick at the end of the round
You know the rest, but what if the Mets had drafted Swisher?
The Mets, having their star OF of the future would've passed on Lastings Miledge and selected HS pitcher Jeff Allison.
Fast forward to last week, Allison has now made his cocaine addiction public and left the Mets for treatment, while the Mets move in on prized RHP pitcher Kris Benson, they have nothing to offer D-Rays GM Chuck LaMar, who has no interest in Swisher since he has Delmon Young, Carl Crawford and Rocco Baldelli.
D-Rays trade Victor Zambrano to the Philadelphia Phillies in exchange for Scott Kazmir, choosen 17th overall in 2001
Zambrano joins Gavin Floyd as the Phillies top of the rotation 15 game winners and Kazmir closes games out for the Rays in front of 12 people at Tropicano field untill 2010 when he can sign a free agent contract with the Texas Rangers or Houston Astros
wow that's a great post 350!!! :clap:
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timotime
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Aug 4 2004, 08:07 PM
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Hard to tell. I remember hearing that the mets 2nd choice last year was college pitcher Jon Sullivan.
The draft is a really hard thing to predict, because as you've read each team has their own radically different view of how good each player is.
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Aug 4 2004, 10:20 PM
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Does WrightNbunch sound good?
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Domoino Effect:
the night before the '01 Amatuer draft the first 20 picks of the draft were basically set, untill Colorado was forced to alter the top 10 bc/ they couldnt negiotiate a contract with OF Denard Span.
BJ Upton, Clint Everts, Zach Grienke and Chris Gruler will go quickly
Instead of span Coloradoo will use the 9th overall pick on P, Jeff Francis, originally expected to go 15th overall to the Mets.
The Mets were then expected to take Nick Swisher, an Ohio State centerfielder and top player on the A's draft board.
The A's will take Joe Blanton, originally earmaerked to go to the White Sox.
Gm Steve Phillips, less than happy with Swisher, tells Billy Beane that he will takes High School lefty Scott Kazmir if he were to fall that far (a player not even considered by the A's)
The Mets take Kazmir, The A's end up with Swisher and the Sox choose Royce Ring over Joe Blanton who goes back to the A's as a compensatory pick at the end of the round
You know the rest, but what if the Mets had drafted Swisher?
The Mets, having their star OF of the future would've passed on Lastings Miledge and selected HS pitcher Jeff Allison.
Fast forward to last week, Allison has now made his cocaine addiction public and left the Mets for treatment, while the Mets move in on prized RHP pitcher Kris Benson, they have nothing to offer D-Rays GM Chuck LaMar, who has no interest in Swisher since he has Delmon Young, Carl Crawford and Rocco Baldelli.
D-Rays trade Victor Zambrano to the Philadelphia Phillies in exchange for Scott Kazmir, choosen 17th overall in 2001
Zambrano joins Gavin Floyd as the Phillies top of the rotation 15 game winners and Kazmir closes games out for the Rays in front of 12 people at Tropicano field untill 2010 when he can sign a free agent contract with the Texas Rangers or Houston Astros
Nice, and with Cameron we would have no use for Swisher
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Aug 4 2004, 10:21 PM
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Domoino Effect:
the night before the '01 Amatuer draft the first 20 picks of the draft were basically set, untill Colorado was forced to alter the top 10 bc/ they couldnt negiotiate a contract with OF Denard Span.
BJ Upton, Clint Everts, Zach Grienke and Chris Gruler will go quickly
Instead of span Coloradoo will use the 9th overall pick on P, Jeff Francis, originally expected to go 15th overall to the Mets.
The Mets were then expected to take Nick Swisher, an Ohio State centerfielder and top player on the A's draft board.
The A's will take Joe Blanton, originally earmaerked to go to the White Sox.
Gm Steve Phillips, less than happy with Swisher, tells Billy Beane that he will takes High School lefty Scott Kazmir if he were to fall that far (a player not even considered by the A's)
The Mets take Kazmir, The A's end up with Swisher and the Sox choose Royce Ring over Joe Blanton who goes back to the A's as a compensatory pick at the end of the round
You know the rest, but what if the Mets had drafted Swisher?
The Mets, having their star OF of the future would've passed on Lastings Miledge and selected HS pitcher Jeff Allison.
Fast forward to last week, Allison has now made his cocaine addiction public and left the Mets for treatment, while the Mets move in on prized RHP pitcher Kris Benson, they have nothing to offer D-Rays GM Chuck LaMar, who has no interest in Swisher since he has Delmon Young, Carl Crawford and Rocco Baldelli.
D-Rays trade Victor Zambrano to the Philadelphia Phillies in exchange for Scott Kazmir, choosen 17th overall in 2001
Zambrano joins Gavin Floyd as the Phillies top of the rotation 15 game winners and Kazmir closes games out for the Rays in front of 12 people at Tropicano field untill 2010 when he can sign a free agent contract with the Texas Rangers or Houston Astros
Nice, and with Cameron we would have no use for Swisher
Also, the phillies pitching coach is Joe kerrigan, not Rick peterson. Peterson is the one that was pulling for the deal.
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Aug 4 2004, 10:22 PM
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Domoino Effect:
the night before the '01 Amatuer draft the first 20 picks of the draft were basically set, untill Colorado was forced to alter the top 10 bc/ they couldnt negiotiate a contract with OF Denard Span.
BJ Upton, Clint Everts, Zach Grienke and Chris Gruler will go quickly
Instead of span Coloradoo will use the 9th overall pick on P, Jeff Francis, originally expected to go 15th overall to the Mets.
The Mets were then expected to take Nick Swisher, an Ohio State centerfielder and top player on the A's draft board.
The A's will take Joe Blanton, originally earmaerked to go to the White Sox.
Gm Steve Phillips, less than happy with Swisher, tells Billy Beane that he will takes High School lefty Scott Kazmir if he were to fall that far (a player not even considered by the A's)
The Mets take Kazmir, The A's end up with Swisher and the Sox choose Royce Ring over Joe Blanton who goes back to the A's as a compensatory pick at the end of the round
You know the rest, but what if the Mets had drafted Swisher?
The Mets, having their star OF of the future would've passed on Lastings Miledge and selected HS pitcher Jeff Allison.
Fast forward to last week, Allison has now made his cocaine addiction public and left the Mets for treatment, while the Mets move in on prized RHP pitcher Kris Benson, they have nothing to offer D-Rays GM Chuck LaMar, who has no interest in Swisher since he has Delmon Young, Carl Crawford and Rocco Baldelli.
D-Rays trade Victor Zambrano to the Philadelphia Phillies in exchange for Scott Kazmir, choosen 17th overall in 2001
Zambrano joins Gavin Floyd as the Phillies top of the rotation 15 game winners and Kazmir closes games out for the Rays in front of 12 people at Tropicano field untill 2010 when he can sign a free agent contract with the Texas Rangers or Houston Astros
Nice, and with Cameron we would have no use for Swisher
Obviously with Swisher we wouldnt have signed Cameron, thats the point. how 1 single move changes stuff
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Aug 4 2004, 10:23 PM
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also Swisher is probably stil.l 1 years away, you could move him to LF. if you can play CF you can probably play LF
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