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Was Peterson hired w/ Howe in Oakland?; reading Moneyball
Topic Started: Aug 3 2004, 01:52 PM (104 Views)
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If he was 5-2 odds are that he had alot to do with Kazmir being traded. I've read the first 3 chapters and basically, Howe and the rest of the staff were brouht in as extensions of the front office rather than for their own ideas.

This is why he would have alot to do with the trade, an old school scout selected Jeremy Bonderman late in the 1st round with his 95 MPH heat and nasty slider bc/ the scout thought he basically had loads of potential.

That selection basically cost the scout, who was the head of the scouting department, his job.

Billy Bean through a chair through the wall over this bc/ Bonderman was simply too far away from being a MLB player. I heard on WFAN yesterday (I think Chris Carlin, it was sunday morning) the same exact thing, people thought Kazmir was 4 or 5 years away from really being able to help.

Just thought id pass that along
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kazmir might have been a couple of years away but i still would have kept him, oh well hopefully zambrano can be a very good pitcher here with the mets!!!
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Aug 3 2004, 04:09 PM
kazmir might have been a couple of years away but i still would have kept him, oh well hopefully zambrano can be a very good pitcher here with the mets!!!

He has to be a great pitcher to justify the trade.
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Aug 3 2004, 04:17 PM
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kazmir might have been a couple of years away but i still would have kept him, oh well hopefully zambrano can be a very good pitcher here with the mets!!!

He has to be a great pitcher to justify the trade.

exactly!!!
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Kazmir is 4-5 years away from being a truly effective pitcher at the major league level. Zambrano could be days away
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Aug 3 2004, 05:09 PM
Kazmir is 4-5 years away from being a truly effective pitcher at the major league level. Zambrano could be days away

:yes:
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Aug 3 2004, 06:15 PM
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Aug 3 2004, 05:09 PM
Kazmir is 4-5 years away from being a truly effective pitcher at the major league level. Zambrano could be days away

:yes:

But the mets could afford to wait.
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Aug 3 2004, 06:19 PM
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Kazmir is 4-5 years away from being a truly effective pitcher at the major league level. Zambrano could be days away

:yes:

But the mets could afford to wait.

:serious:

with the right moves the mets could be a potential playoff team next season, i wanted the mets to keep kazmir but they are a win now team!!!
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Kazmir is 4-5 years away from being a truly effective pitcher at the major league level. Zambrano could be days away

:yes:

But the mets could afford to wait.

:serious:

with the right moves the mets could be a potential playoff team next season, i wanted the mets to keep kazmir but they are a win now team!!!

They could have signed someone just as good as Zambrano during the offseason to be the 5th starter.

We're not talking about a guy that the mets are going to be depending on. We're talking about a pitcher that will be penciled in as the #5 starter.
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Aug 3 2004, 06:23 PM
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Aug 3 2004, 05:09 PM
Kazmir is 4-5 years away from being a truly effective pitcher at the major league level. Zambrano could be days away

:yes:

But the mets could afford to wait.

:serious:

with the right moves the mets could be a potential playoff team next season, i wanted the mets to keep kazmir but they are a win now team!!!

They could have signed someone just as good as Zambrano during the offseason to be the 5th starter.

We're not talking about a guy that the mets are going to be depending on. We're talking about a pitcher that will be penciled in as the #5 starter.

yeah but zambrano has the potential to be a top of the rotation starter, your talking about him being a 5th starter but he isn't, he has awesome stuff, the only thing holding him back is the walks he gives up!!!
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watch the IP/BB ratio.

Im tellin you, 2-1 and he is an ace
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Aug 3 2004, 05:09 PM
Kazmir is 4-5 years away from being a truly effective pitcher at the major league level. Zambrano could be days away

:yes:

But the mets could afford to wait.

:serious:

with the right moves the mets could be a potential playoff team next season, i wanted the mets to keep kazmir but they are a win now team!!!

They could have signed someone just as good as Zambrano during the offseason to be the 5th starter.

We're not talking about a guy that the mets are going to be depending on. We're talking about a pitcher that will be penciled in as the #5 starter.

yeah but zambrano has the potential to be a top of the rotation starter, your talking about him being a 5th starter but he isn't, he has awesome stuff, the only thing holding him back is the walks he gives up!!!

I still don't buy the fact that Peterson can turn Zambrano into a #1 or #2 starter.

Hopefully I get proven wrong, but I still don't see how this trade makes sense for the mets.
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Aug 3 2004, 05:09 PM
Kazmir is 4-5 years away from being a truly effective pitcher at the major league level. Zambrano could be days away

:yes:

But the mets could afford to wait.

:serious:

with the right moves the mets could be a potential playoff team next season, i wanted the mets to keep kazmir but they are a win now team!!!

They could have signed someone just as good as Zambrano during the offseason to be the 5th starter.

We're not talking about a guy that the mets are going to be depending on. We're talking about a pitcher that will be penciled in as the #5 starter.

yeah but zambrano has the potential to be a top of the rotation starter, your talking about him being a 5th starter but he isn't, he has awesome stuff, the only thing holding him back is the walks he gives up!!!

I still don't buy the fact that Peterson can turn Zambrano into a #1 or #2 starter.

Hopefully I get proven wrong, but I still don't see how this trade makes sense for the mets.

yeah well me and you are on the same boat here, i wouldn't have made the trade either but the mets did and now they'll look like either total idiots or the smartest organization on the planet!!!
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And thats the toughest thing about this trade, Mets fans dont have the results on paper yet. Theres nothing substantially comforting other than your opinion (and solely your opinion) of Zambrano's potential.

We have to wait
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Aug 3 2004, 04:17 PM
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kazmir might have been a couple of years away but i still would have kept him, oh well hopefully zambrano can be a very good pitcher here with the mets!!!

He has to be a great pitcher to justify the trade.

How can you say that now? You don't even know if Kazmir will be a GREAT pitcher!

You can't say for sure that Kazmir will be a great pitcher.

Maybe in 4-5 years you can say something, but not right now.

It's not like the Mets traded a major-league level pitcher that has already established himself in exchange for Zambrano......Kazmir's still 4-5 years away and is no sure bet.
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kazmir might have been a couple of years away but i still would have kept him, oh well hopefully zambrano can be a very good pitcher here with the mets!!!

He has to be a great pitcher to justify the trade.

How can you say that now? You don't even know if Kazmir will be a GREAT pitcher!

You can't say for sure that Kazmir will be a great pitcher.

Maybe in 4-5 years you can say something, but not right now.

It's not like the Mets traded a major-league level pitcher that has already established himself in exchange for Zambrano......Kazmir's still 4-5 years away and is no sure bet.

ray makes a good point!!! :o
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Of course several years from now you'll have a better idea of who got the better end of this deal. But all we can go by is the information we have now, which is that Kazmir has star potential and Zambrano has been notihng more than average.
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kazmir might have been a couple of years away but i still would have kept him, oh well hopefully zambrano can be a very good pitcher here with the mets!!!

He has to be a great pitcher to justify the trade.

How can you say that now? You don't even know if Kazmir will be a GREAT pitcher!

You can't say for sure that Kazmir will be a great pitcher.

Maybe in 4-5 years you can say something, but not right now.

It's not like the Mets traded a major-league level pitcher that has already established himself in exchange for Zambrano......Kazmir's still 4-5 years away and is no sure bet.

ray makes a good point!!! :o

thats what NJD has been trying to say
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exactly, thats the point with bringing up Bonderman and the A's. Bonderman is just like Kazmir.

High school pitcher
95 MPH fastball
Nasty slider

Bonderman may be in the majors now, but hes still atleast 2-3 years away from being a 1-3 starter he was projected as.

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Aug 3 2004, 04:09 PM
kazmir might have been a couple of years away but i still would have kept him, oh well hopefully zambrano can be a very good pitcher here with the mets!!!

He has to be a great pitcher to justify the trade.

How can you say that now? You don't even know if Kazmir will be a GREAT pitcher!

You can't say for sure that Kazmir will be a great pitcher.

Maybe in 4-5 years you can say something, but not right now.

It's not like the Mets traded a major-league level pitcher that has already established himself in exchange for Zambrano......Kazmir's still 4-5 years away and is no sure bet.

ray makes a good point!!! :o

thats what NJD has been trying to say

yeah but nobody knows if 350 is drunk or not, he might not be saying those things with a clear head!!! :no1:
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lol

Hes fine
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Aug 3 2004, 08:06 PM
lol

Hes fine

ok good!!! :peace:
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