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Topic Started: Aug 2 2004, 01:32 PM (125 Views)
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Ken Davidoff of Newsday writes, according to an American League source, that in spring training, the Mets could have dealt Jose Reyes and Scott Kazmir to Texas for Alfonso Soriano and Mark Teixeira.


How didn't they make that deal!?!? When Jose Reyes was the 2nd best prospect in all of baseball, teixeira was #1.
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Where was Teixera gonna play? Wright's at 3B and Piazza is at 1B and Huber would've been readsy to catch in 2 years
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Aug 2 2004, 02:04 PM
Where was Teixera gonna play? Wright's at 3B and Piazza is at 1B and Huber would've been readsy to catch in 2 years

1b, Piazza would have played catcher, which is where he started the season.

assume that they make the Kris Benson trade.
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Aug 2 2004, 02:31 PM
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Aug 2 2004, 02:04 PM
Where was Teixera gonna play? Wright's at 3B and Piazza is at 1B and Huber would've been readsy to catch in 2 years

1b, Piazza would have played catcher, which is where he started the season.

assume that they make the Kris Benson trade.

OK, so then you wouldn't mind Piazza therefore remaining a full-time catcher and in turn having his games limited and his bat taken out of the lineup frequently?

I thought the whole point of the huge ordeal at the end of last season (and this Spring Training) to get Piazza to play 1b almost entirely was so that we could keep his bat in the lineup and not have him sit out as many games per season.......well, if we got Texiera, I would assume he'd be at 1b for quite awhile, making Piazza get stuck behind the plate.
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The Mets would have THE WORST DEFENSE IN BASEBALL.

Floyd in LF
Soriano in RF
Kaz at SS
Teixera at 1b (Natural 3B)
Piazza at C.

This deal didnt fit for the Mets, theyd be in the same position they are now
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OK, so then you wouldn't mind Piazza therefore remaining a full-time catcher and in turn having his games limited and his bat taken out of the lineup frequently?

Yes, because they would have a star caliber bat in the lineup everyday with teixeira.
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Well id be pissed about trading Reyes for Teixiera
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Aug 2 2004, 02:50 PM
Well id be pissed about trading Reyes for Teixiera

What about the Kazmir for Soriano part?
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I dont see why Zambrano cant be an ace starter and Soriano could be Todd Hundley in RF, its not like we need his speed.

I dont see Soriano as significantly better than what they got for him, especially seeing as they'd be f'n retarted not to go after Ordonez for Christmas
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Aug 2 2004, 02:45 PM
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OK, so then you wouldn't mind Piazza therefore remaining a full-time catcher and in turn having his games limited and his bat taken out of the lineup frequently?

Yes, because they would have a star caliber bat in the lineup everyday with teixeira.

I think I'd rather have Piazza's bat in the lineup almost everyday rather than Texiera's......

Even though Piazza's not the same anymore, he is still much more dangerous than Texiera.
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Aug 2 2004, 03:31 PM
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OK, so then you wouldn't mind Piazza therefore remaining a full-time catcher and in turn having his games limited and his bat taken out of the lineup frequently?

Yes, because they would have a star caliber bat in the lineup everyday with teixeira.

I think I'd rather have Piazza's bat in the lineup almost everyday rather than Texiera's......

Even though Piazza's not the same anymore, he is still much more dangerous than Texiera.

Silliness. Piazza since June 27th is hitting .143, 1 HR, 7 RBI and a .190 SLG!!
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OK, so then you wouldn't mind Piazza therefore remaining a full-time catcher and in turn having his games limited and his bat taken out of the lineup frequently?

Yes, because they would have a star caliber bat in the lineup everyday with teixeira.

I think I'd rather have Piazza's bat in the lineup almost everyday rather than Texiera's......

Even though Piazza's not the same anymore, he is still much more dangerous than Texiera.

Silliness. Piazza since June 27th is hitting .143, 1 HR, 7 RBI and a .190 SLG!!

We're talking about what if we made this trade last year when it was being talked about.......remember all the Kazmir and Reyes for Soriano talk?

Well, after last season, nobody knew Piazza would be in the slump he is now.
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OK, so then you wouldn't mind Piazza therefore remaining a full-time catcher and in turn having his games limited and his bat taken out of the lineup frequently?

Yes, because they would have a star caliber bat in the lineup everyday with teixeira.

I think I'd rather have Piazza's bat in the lineup almost everyday rather than Texiera's......

Even though Piazza's not the same anymore, he is still much more dangerous than Texiera.

Silliness. Piazza since June 27th is hitting .143, 1 HR, 7 RBI and a .190 SLG!!

We're talking about what if we made this trade last year when it was being talked about.......remember all the Kazmir and Reyes for Soriano talk?

Well, after last season, nobody knew Piazza would be in the slump he is now.

No, but a lot of people knew that Teixeira would put up star caliber numbers.
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OK, so then you wouldn't mind Piazza therefore remaining a full-time catcher and in turn having his games limited and his bat taken out of the lineup frequently?

Yes, because they would have a star caliber bat in the lineup everyday with teixeira.

I think I'd rather have Piazza's bat in the lineup almost everyday rather than Texiera's......

Even though Piazza's not the same anymore, he is still much more dangerous than Texiera.

Silliness. Piazza since June 27th is hitting .143, 1 HR, 7 RBI and a .190 SLG!!

We're talking about what if we made this trade last year when it was being talked about.......remember all the Kazmir and Reyes for Soriano talk?

Well, after last season, nobody knew Piazza would be in the slump he is now.

No, but a lot of people knew that Teixeira would put up star caliber numbers.

I know that....but I just don't get how anyone would want Piazza virtually playing half the year, and have his bat out of the lineup the other half....just to have Texeira in the lineup.

You're basically sealing the deal on Piazza ever going to 1b with the Mets.
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i'm not trading reyes for nobody, stop with this nonsense, the rangers can have soriano and texiera!!! :peace:
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Aug 2 2004, 05:18 PM
i'm not trading reyes for nobody, stop with this nonsense, the rangers can have soriano and texiera!!! :peace:

:yes:

Reyes and Piazza.....:thumbup:

Texeira and Soriano......:thumbdown:
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Aug 2 2004, 05:26 PM
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i'm not trading reyes for nobody, stop with this nonsense, the rangers can have soriano and texiera!!! :peace:

:yes:

Reyes and Piazza.....:thumbup:

Texeira and Soriano......:thumbdown:

:D :agent:
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i'm not trading reyes for nobody, stop with this nonsense, the rangers can have soriano and texiera!!! :peace:

:yes:

Reyes and Piazza.....:thumbup:

Texeira and Soriano......:thumbdown:

Texeira + Soriano > Piazza + Reyes. :D

Seriously, we need to seriously consider trading Mike. After next year he's probably either going to retire or DH for an AL team.
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i'm not trading reyes for nobody, stop with this nonsense, the rangers can have soriano and texiera!!! :peace:

:yes:

Reyes and Piazza.....:thumbup:

Texeira and Soriano......:thumbdown:

Texeira + Soriano > Piazza + Reyes. :D

Seriously, we need to seriously consider trading Mike. After next year he's probably either going to retire or DH for an AL team.

piazza has one more year left on his contract, let him come back and see if he can get it together, if he doesn't then the mets can just let him walk at the end of the 2005 season, the guy that will probably be traded in the offseason is floyd!!!
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Who started the thing about trading Piazza? The proposed trade was Reyes and Kazmir, not Reyes and Piazza.
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Aug 2 2004, 06:30 PM
Who started the thing about trading Piazza? The proposed trade was Reyes and Kazmir, not Reyes and Piazza.

no that was a different argument, that had nothing to do with the trade!!!
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well, if that's the topic, trading Piazza is stupid. He has no trade value, just let him play out his contract and then either let him walk or resign him for a lesser salary.
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Aug 2 2004, 06:48 PM
well, if that's the topic, trading Piazza is stupid. He has no trade value, just let him play out his contract and then either let him walk or resign him for a lesser salary.

that's exactly what i said earlier in this thread!!! :thumbup:
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Timo, it was a seperate point......what you basically said before was that you'd rather have Texiera's bat in the lineup on an everyday basis rather than Piazza's.

When you were saying that you didn't mind Piazza going behind the plate full-time, you were pretty much saying that you didn't mind his bat being out of the lineup half a season or more, as long as Texiera was playing 1b.
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Aug 2 2004, 07:41 PM
Timo, it was a seperate point......what you basically said before was that you'd rather have Texiera's bat in the lineup on an everyday basis rather than Piazza's.

When you were saying that you didn't mind Piazza going behind the plate full-time, you were pretty much saying that you didn't mind his bat being out of the lineup half a season or more, as long as Texiera was playing 1b.

Half a season?

In 2002, Piazza's last full season at catcher, he played in 135 games.

He's older now, so that number might be around 120-125 is he was catching full time now.

I'd rather have teixeira and Piazza in the lineup with Piazza only playing around 125 games than have both Piazza and a scrub like Vance Wilson or Jason phillips playing full time.
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Aug 2 2004, 08:21 PM
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Aug 2 2004, 07:41 PM
Timo, it was a seperate point......what you basically said before was that you'd rather have Texiera's bat in the lineup on an everyday basis rather than Piazza's.

When you were saying that you didn't mind Piazza going behind the plate full-time, you were pretty much saying that you didn't mind his bat being out of the lineup half a season or more, as long as Texiera was playing 1b.

Half a season?

In 2002, Piazza's last full season at catcher, he played in 135 games.

He's older now, so that number might be around 120-125 is he was catching full time now.

I'd rather have teixeira and Piazza in the lineup with Piazza only playing around 125 games than have both Piazza and a scrub like Vance Wilson or Jason phillips playing full time.

OK, I was exaggerating. I know it's not literally half a season.

But the Mets' goal after last season was to move Piazza almost exclusively to 1b......you know they weren't looking to acquire a full-time first baseman.
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Timo, it was a seperate point......what you basically said before was that you'd rather have Texiera's bat in the lineup on an everyday basis rather than Piazza's.

When you were saying that you didn't mind Piazza going behind the plate full-time, you were pretty much saying that you didn't mind his bat being out of the lineup half a season or more, as long as Texiera was playing 1b.

Half a season?

In 2002, Piazza's last full season at catcher, he played in 135 games.

He's older now, so that number might be around 120-125 is he was catching full time now.

I'd rather have teixeira and Piazza in the lineup with Piazza only playing around 125 games than have both Piazza and a scrub like Vance Wilson or Jason phillips playing full time.

OK, I was exaggerating. I know it's not literally half a season.

But the Mets' goal after last season was to move Piazza almost exclusively to 1b......you know they weren't looking to acquire a full-time first baseman.

I think you would have to make an exception. we're not talking about a borderline starter, we're talking about a young superstar.
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