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The hardball times...
Topic Started: Aug 2 2004, 11:13 AM (94 Views)
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An excellent analysis of all the trades made over the deadline:

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/...deadline-deals/

it also posted this, which i thought was a pretty funny (and, sadly enough, probably somewhat accurate) account of Duquette's conversation with the Royals GM:

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The second prospect the Pirates got came by way of the Kansas City Royals. Pittsburgh apparently coveted Jose Bautista, so the Mets sent Justin Huber to Kansas City for him, and then flipped him to the Pirates. The weird thing about all of this is that Bautista was actually in the Pirates' organization this time last year. They took him in the 20th round of the 2000 draft and he played three seasons in the Pittsburgh organization before the Orioles grabbed him in the Rule 5 draft this off-season.

The Orioles decided they didn't want to hold onto him all year (Rule 5 picks have to remain in the big leagues or be offered back to their original teams), so they put him on waivers, where he was claimed by the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. A few weeks later, the Devil Rays dealt him to the Royals for "cash considerations." Yes, you read that right. A month ago, the Royals acquired Bautista for essentially nothing, and they just traded him to the Mets for Huber, one of the best catching prospects in baseball.

As much as I have to applaud the Devil Rays for making a rare great move and for ripping off the Mets by getting Kazmir for Zambrano, I have to give at least that much credit to the Royals for basically getting their hands on one of the top prospects in baseball for nothing. I have a feeling New York GM Dan Duquette called up Kansas City GM Allard Baird in a panic, saying he needed to find another prospect to include in the deal with Pittsburgh and the Pirates wanted Bautista back. I imagine the conversation went something like this ...


Duquette: I need Jose Bautista. Would you deal him?

Baird: Sure, I'd consider giving him up.

Duquette: Great. That's great! Okay, so do we have anyone in our system who you like?

Baird: Hmm, I don't know if I can think of anyone off the top of my head. I know we obviously like Kazmir and Huber ...

Duquette: Well, we're dealing Kazmir for Victor Zambrano, but I'd give you Huber.

Baird: Wait, what?

Duquette: Would you do Huber for Bautista?

Baird: Justin Huber, the catcher?

Duquette: Yeah.

Baird: [Holding his hand over the phone as he looks around the room to see if perhaps he is on Punk'd] Yeah, I could do that.

Duquette: Great, done deal. Nice doing business with you Allard. Thanks for helping me out on such short notice.

Baird: Okay ... no problem ... I guess. By the way, did you just say you traded Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano?


As I see it, the Royals are the only real winners in this trade. They gave up a mid-level prospect who they had just acquired for cash for one of the best catching prospects in baseball.
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Gee, thanks a lot timo, that puts makes me have a lot of confidence in my teams GM :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:
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wow they are totally overrating huber, one of the best prospects in baseball??? LOL!!! :lmao:
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Aug 2 2004, 04:45 PM
wow they are totally overrating huber, one of the best prospects in baseball??? LOL!!! :lmao:

That has to be a typo. he probably meant best best catching prospect.

If not... :laugh2:
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Aug 2 2004, 04:48 PM
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Aug 2 2004, 04:45 PM
wow they are totally overrating huber, one of the best prospects in baseball??? LOL!!! :lmao:

That has to be a typo. he probably meant best best catching prospect.

If not... :laugh2:

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pittsburgh probably refused to do the trade without bautista and kansa city knew they had the upperhand and could practiclly ask for anything
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Aug 2 2004, 05:35 PM
pittsburgh probably refused to do the trade without bautista and kansa city knew they had the upperhand and could practiclly ask for anything

exactly!!!
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Aug 2 2004, 05:35 PM
pittsburgh probably refused to do the trade without bautista and kansa city knew they had the upperhand and could practiclly ask for anything

I doubt that KC was that unreasonable when dealing a guy that they claimed off waivers. The most likely scenario is that Duquette was in a rush to get the player that Pittsburgh wanted and didn't bother to bargain with KC.
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I doubt that KC was that unreasonable when dealing a guy that they claimed off waivers. The most likely scenario is that Duquette was in a rush to get the player that Pittsburgh wanted and didn't bother to bargain with KC.


i made this point the other day, but he was in no rush. i mean they finished the deal on the 30th. he could have waited a lot longer.

by the way bautista is a very good prospect, so it isn't like the next joe mecewing here.
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by the way bautista is a very good prospect, so it isn't like the next joe mecewing here.

he was left unprotected in the Rule V draft and was then placed on waivers!
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the pirates didn't have room and he was placed on waivers b/c he wasn't ready for the majors.
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Aug 2 2004, 06:53 PM
the pirates didn't have room and he was placed on waivers b/c he wasn't ready for the majors.

You're telling me that they couldn't cut someone like Mark Corey to make room for him? If he was a top prospect, he would have been protected.

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Aug 2 2004, 07:00 PM
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Aug 2 2004, 06:53 PM
the pirates didn't have room and he was placed on waivers b/c he wasn't ready for the majors.

You're telling me that they couldn't cut someone like Mark Corey to make room for him? If he was a top prospect, he would have been protected.

some good players have come out of the rule 5 draft, not superstars but good players!!!
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Aug 2 2004, 07:03 PM
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Aug 2 2004, 06:53 PM
the pirates didn't have room and he was placed on waivers b/c he wasn't ready for the majors.

You're telling me that they couldn't cut someone like Mark Corey to make room for him? If he was a top prospect, he would have been protected.

some good players have come out of the rule 5 draft, not superstars but good players!!!

Yes, they have. But most of the time they aren't top prospects, they're guys similar to Ty Wigginton who get to the majors by hard work.

And the point is, the KC Royals got Jose Bautista for nothing. I doubt that they wouldn't have been willing to negotiate.
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Jose Bautista is as average as Huber. Huber isnt that great, hes been on a decline since A ball
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Aug 2 2004, 04:45 PM
wow they are totally overrating huber, one of the best prospects in baseball??? LOL!!! :lmao:

"As I see it, the Royals are the only real winners in this trade. They gave up a mid-level prospect who they had just acquired for cash for one of the best [size=20]catching[/size] prospects in baseball."
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one of the best catching prospects in baseball."



i bet you wouldn't say that if he was still a met. :D :D :D
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sure I would, cant bleieve I have to go look up stats now
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maybe i misunderstood vasquez's post. i thought he was saying that huber was the best catching prospects. and i was thinking a yankee fan wouldn't have said that if he was a met.

sorry, i got confused. :bag: :bag: :bag:
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i know he was a good hitter. i mean he had power and a .400 obp.

but he is gonna be a 1st baseman sothat diminishes his value.
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well I cant find Huber, hes off the B-Mets and not on the Royals.

But a few years ago he was a top 3 prospect and hes fall to 7-10.
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Aug 2 2004, 08:50 PM
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Aug 2 2004, 04:45 PM
wow they are totally overrating huber, one of the best prospects in baseball??? LOL!!! :lmao:

"As I see it, the Royals are the only real winners in this trade. They gave up a mid-level prospect who they had just acquired for cash for one of the best [size=20]catching[/size] prospects in baseball."

sorry i misread, i'm not on my game today!!! :no1:
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