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There was mixed reaction to the Mets' back-to-back bombshells. One AL executive was impressed, saying this proves "Jim Duquette is better than Steve Phillips." But another called trading Scott Kazmir for Zambrano "a bit of an overpay." Another said it will "come back to bite them in the butt."

Oh, yes, the Mets also got Bartolome Fortunato in the Zambrano deal. How fortunato.

The dealing of Kazmir has the fingerprints of Mets veterans. Kazmir was cocky, and that rubbed some veteran Mets the wrong way in spring training. No wonder Al Leiter won't accept a trade. He wouldn't want to give up his assistant GM powers.

You have to wonder whether the Mets erred in not surrendering Kazmir for Alfonso Soriano this past spring.


The Mets want to deal Cliff Floyd, and his comments about wearing down and wanting to DH don't help.

Shane Spencer's always been a good interview. But Spencer telling police he had only "six or seven" drinks after he got pulled over wasn't the smartest thing he did that night. Sadly, it wasn't the dumbest, either.

This better not be true. :no1:
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i don't believe it, the mets traded kazmir cause of mainly rick peterson, he's brought that A's philosophy to the mets, he doesn't like pitchers out of high school and liked zambrano's stuff!!!
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i don't believe it, the mets traded kazmir cause of mainly rick peterson, he's brought that A's philosophy to the mets, he doesn't like pitchers out of high school and liked zambrano's stuff!!!

not liking pitchers outta of high school has nothing to do with a's phillosophy, they just didnt have enough money to wait around and watch them develop.

back to the article i agree with the trade and im tired of saying why so ill leave it at that
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i don't believe it, the mets traded kazmir cause of mainly rick peterson, he's brought that A's philosophy to the mets, he doesn't like pitchers out of high school and liked zambrano's stuff!!!

not liking pitchers outta of high school has nothing to do with a's phillosophy, they just didnt have enough money to wait around and watch them develop.

back to the article i agree with the trade and im tired of saying why so ill leave it at that

it has everything to do with not liking high school pitchers, the A's like college pitchers cause they develop faster and are more of a finished product, money has nothing to do with high school pitchers taking long to develop, money has to do with maybe signing pitchers out of high school but college pitchers demand alot of money as well!!! :peace:
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i don't believe it, the mets traded kazmir cause of mainly rick peterson, he's brought that A's philosophy to the mets, he doesn't like pitchers out of high school and liked zambrano's stuff!!!

not liking pitchers outta of high school has nothing to do with a's phillosophy, they just didnt have enough money to wait around and watch them develop.

back to the article i agree with the trade and im tired of saying why so ill leave it at that

it has everything to do with not liking high school pitchers, the A's like college pitchers cause they develop faster and are more of a finished product, money has nothing to do with high school pitchers taking long to develop, money has to do with maybe signing pitchers out of high school but college pitchers demand alot of money as well!!! :peace:

thats the point comming out of high school you have to wait 4 years to have a high sch9ooler develop and comming out of college you wait 2 years for that same player to develop to the major league level. 4 years = more money spend as opposed 2 years.
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i don't believe it, the mets traded kazmir cause of mainly rick peterson, he's brought that A's philosophy to the mets, he doesn't like pitchers out of high school and liked zambrano's stuff!!!

not liking pitchers outta of high school has nothing to do with a's phillosophy, they just didnt have enough money to wait around and watch them develop.

back to the article i agree with the trade and im tired of saying why so ill leave it at that

it has everything to do with not liking high school pitchers, the A's like college pitchers cause they develop faster and are more of a finished product, money has nothing to do with high school pitchers taking long to develop, money has to do with maybe signing pitchers out of high school but college pitchers demand alot of money as well!!! :peace:

thats the point comming out of high school you have to wait 4 years to have a high sch9ooler develop and comming out of college you wait 2 years for that same player to develop to the major league level. 4 years = more money spend as opposed 2 years.

minor leaguers make nothing, teams don't spend that much more money on younger players to develop in the minors, it has to do with development not money!!!
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i don't believe it, the mets traded kazmir cause of mainly rick peterson, he's brought that A's philosophy to the mets, he doesn't like pitchers out of high school and liked zambrano's stuff!!!

not liking pitchers outta of high school has nothing to do with a's phillosophy, they just didnt have enough money to wait around and watch them develop.

back to the article i agree with the trade and im tired of saying why so ill leave it at that

it has everything to do with not liking high school pitchers, the A's like college pitchers cause they develop faster and are more of a finished product, money has nothing to do with high school pitchers taking long to develop, money has to do with maybe signing pitchers out of high school but college pitchers demand alot of money as well!!! :peace:

thats the point comming out of high school you have to wait 4 years to have a high sch9ooler develop and comming out of college you wait 2 years for that same player to develop to the major league level. 4 years = more money spend as opposed 2 years.

minor leaguers make nothing, teams don't spend that much more money on younger players to develop in the minors, it has to do with development not money!!!

Try to understand.

The A's have a low budget, so they have to spend money carefully. While the amount of money in signing bonus' given to draft picks don't matter to the mets, they mean a lot to the A's. If they give a large signing bonus to a first round pick, it means they don't have that money to spend on the team. They need that player to get to the majors quickly, which happens more with college players because they've already developed a lot of their skills in college. They can't afford to give a high school player a large signing bonus for him to not do anything for several seasons.
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i don't believe it, the mets traded kazmir cause of mainly rick peterson, he's brought that A's philosophy to the mets, he doesn't like pitchers out of high school and liked zambrano's stuff!!!

not liking pitchers outta of high school has nothing to do with a's phillosophy, they just didnt have enough money to wait around and watch them develop.

back to the article i agree with the trade and im tired of saying why so ill leave it at that

it has everything to do with not liking high school pitchers, the A's like college pitchers cause they develop faster and are more of a finished product, money has nothing to do with high school pitchers taking long to develop, money has to do with maybe signing pitchers out of high school but college pitchers demand alot of money as well!!! :peace:

thats the point comming out of high school you have to wait 4 years to have a high sch9ooler develop and comming out of college you wait 2 years for that same player to develop to the major league level. 4 years = more money spend as opposed 2 years.

minor leaguers make nothing, teams don't spend that much more money on younger players to develop in the minors, it has to do with development not money!!!

Try to understand.

The A's have a low budget, so they have to spend money carefully. While the amount of money in signing bonus' given to draft picks don't matter to the mets, they mean a lot to the A's. If they give a large signing bonus to a first round pick, it means they don't have that money to spend on the team. They need that player to get to the majors quickly, which happens more with college players because they've already developed a lot of their skills in college. They can't afford to give a high school player a large signing bonus for him to not do anything for several seasons.

like i said in the other thread college pitchers ask for large signing bonuses as well so there isn't much of a difference!!!
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i don't believe it, the mets traded kazmir cause of mainly rick peterson, he's brought that A's philosophy to the mets, he doesn't like pitchers out of high school and liked zambrano's stuff!!!

not liking pitchers outta of high school has nothing to do with a's phillosophy, they just didnt have enough money to wait around and watch them develop.

back to the article i agree with the trade and im tired of saying why so ill leave it at that

it has everything to do with not liking high school pitchers, the A's like college pitchers cause they develop faster and are more of a finished product, money has nothing to do with high school pitchers taking long to develop, money has to do with maybe signing pitchers out of high school but college pitchers demand alot of money as well!!! :peace:

thats the point comming out of high school you have to wait 4 years to have a high sch9ooler develop and comming out of college you wait 2 years for that same player to develop to the major league level. 4 years = more money spend as opposed 2 years.

minor leaguers make nothing, teams don't spend that much more money on younger players to develop in the minors, it has to do with development not money!!!

Try to understand.

The A's have a low budget, so they have to spend money carefully. While the amount of money in signing bonus' given to draft picks don't matter to the mets, they mean a lot to the A's. If they give a large signing bonus to a first round pick, it means they don't have that money to spend on the team. They need that player to get to the majors quickly, which happens more with college players because they've already developed a lot of their skills in college. They can't afford to give a high school player a large signing bonus for him to not do anything for several seasons.

like i said in the other thread college pitchers ask for large signing bonuses as well so there isn't much of a difference!!!

you've completely missed the point.

If they're going to give a draft pick a large signing bonus, they can't afford to have that player spend several seasons in the minors developing. College players are closer to being finished products.
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i don't believe it, the mets traded kazmir cause of mainly rick peterson, he's brought that A's philosophy to the mets, he doesn't like pitchers out of high school and liked zambrano's stuff!!!

not liking pitchers outta of high school has nothing to do with a's phillosophy, they just didnt have enough money to wait around and watch them develop.

back to the article i agree with the trade and im tired of saying why so ill leave it at that

it has everything to do with not liking high school pitchers, the A's like college pitchers cause they develop faster and are more of a finished product, money has nothing to do with high school pitchers taking long to develop, money has to do with maybe signing pitchers out of high school but college pitchers demand alot of money as well!!! :peace:

thats the point comming out of high school you have to wait 4 years to have a high sch9ooler develop and comming out of college you wait 2 years for that same player to develop to the major league level. 4 years = more money spend as opposed 2 years.

minor leaguers make nothing, teams don't spend that much more money on younger players to develop in the minors, it has to do with development not money!!!

Try to understand.

The A's have a low budget, so they have to spend money carefully. While the amount of money in signing bonus' given to draft picks don't matter to the mets, they mean a lot to the A's. If they give a large signing bonus to a first round pick, it means they don't have that money to spend on the team. They need that player to get to the majors quickly, which happens more with college players because they've already developed a lot of their skills in college. They can't afford to give a high school player a large signing bonus for him to not do anything for several seasons.

like i said in the other thread college pitchers ask for large signing bonuses as well so there isn't much of a difference!!!

you've completely missed the point.

If they're going to give a draft pick a large signing bonus, they can't afford to have that player spend several seasons in the minors developing. College players are closer to being finished products.

yes but my point is it has to do more with development then money, money is somewhat of a factor but the whole thing is the A's want more of a finished product, college pitchers are more mature and easier to handle!!!
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i don't believe it, the mets traded kazmir cause of mainly rick peterson, he's brought that A's philosophy to the mets, he doesn't like pitchers out of high school and liked zambrano's stuff!!!

not liking pitchers outta of high school has nothing to do with a's phillosophy, they just didnt have enough money to wait around and watch them develop.

back to the article i agree with the trade and im tired of saying why so ill leave it at that

it has everything to do with not liking high school pitchers, the A's like college pitchers cause they develop faster and are more of a finished product, money has nothing to do with high school pitchers taking long to develop, money has to do with maybe signing pitchers out of high school but college pitchers demand alot of money as well!!! :peace:

thats the point comming out of high school you have to wait 4 years to have a high sch9ooler develop and comming out of college you wait 2 years for that same player to develop to the major league level. 4 years = more money spend as opposed 2 years.

minor leaguers make nothing, teams don't spend that much more money on younger players to develop in the minors, it has to do with development not money!!!

Try to understand.

The A's have a low budget, so they have to spend money carefully. While the amount of money in signing bonus' given to draft picks don't matter to the mets, they mean a lot to the A's. If they give a large signing bonus to a first round pick, it means they don't have that money to spend on the team. They need that player to get to the majors quickly, which happens more with college players because they've already developed a lot of their skills in college. They can't afford to give a high school player a large signing bonus for him to not do anything for several seasons.

like i said in the other thread college pitchers ask for large signing bonuses as well so there isn't much of a difference!!!

you've completely missed the point.

If they're going to give a draft pick a large signing bonus, they can't afford to have that player spend several seasons in the minors developing. College players are closer to being finished products.

yes but my point is it has to do more with development then money, money is somewhat of a factor but the whole thing is the A's want more of a finished product, college pitchers are more mature and easier to handle!!!

wrong, wrong, wrong.

It has nothing to do with how well they developed them. The difference is, the college players have already had a couple years developing their talent and will not need as much time in the minors.

It's all about getting the most out of the money.
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i don't believe it, the mets traded kazmir cause of mainly rick peterson, he's brought that A's philosophy to the mets, he doesn't like pitchers out of high school and liked zambrano's stuff!!!

not liking pitchers outta of high school has nothing to do with a's phillosophy, they just didnt have enough money to wait around and watch them develop.

back to the article i agree with the trade and im tired of saying why so ill leave it at that

it has everything to do with not liking high school pitchers, the A's like college pitchers cause they develop faster and are more of a finished product, money has nothing to do with high school pitchers taking long to develop, money has to do with maybe signing pitchers out of high school but college pitchers demand alot of money as well!!! :peace:

thats the point comming out of high school you have to wait 4 years to have a high sch9ooler develop and comming out of college you wait 2 years for that same player to develop to the major league level. 4 years = more money spend as opposed 2 years.

minor leaguers make nothing, teams don't spend that much more money on younger players to develop in the minors, it has to do with development not money!!!

Try to understand.

The A's have a low budget, so they have to spend money carefully. While the amount of money in signing bonus' given to draft picks don't matter to the mets, they mean a lot to the A's. If they give a large signing bonus to a first round pick, it means they don't have that money to spend on the team. They need that player to get to the majors quickly, which happens more with college players because they've already developed a lot of their skills in college. They can't afford to give a high school player a large signing bonus for him to not do anything for several seasons.

like i said in the other thread college pitchers ask for large signing bonuses as well so there isn't much of a difference!!!

you've completely missed the point.

If they're going to give a draft pick a large signing bonus, they can't afford to have that player spend several seasons in the minors developing. College players are closer to being finished products.

yes but my point is it has to do more with development then money, money is somewhat of a factor but the whole thing is the A's want more of a finished product, college pitchers are more mature and easier to handle!!!

wrong, wrong, wrong.

It has nothing to do with how well they developed them. The difference is, the college players have already had a couple years developing their talent and will not need as much time in the minors.

It's all about getting the most out of the money.

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that's called development timo, college pitchers take less time to develop that's why the A's draft them!!!
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i don't believe it, the mets traded kazmir cause of mainly rick peterson, he's brought that A's philosophy to the mets, he doesn't like pitchers out of high school and liked zambrano's stuff!!!

not liking pitchers outta of high school has nothing to do with a's phillosophy, they just didnt have enough money to wait around and watch them develop.

back to the article i agree with the trade and im tired of saying why so ill leave it at that

it has everything to do with not liking high school pitchers, the A's like college pitchers cause they develop faster and are more of a finished product, money has nothing to do with high school pitchers taking long to develop, money has to do with maybe signing pitchers out of high school but college pitchers demand alot of money as well!!! :peace:

thats the point comming out of high school you have to wait 4 years to have a high sch9ooler develop and comming out of college you wait 2 years for that same player to develop to the major league level. 4 years = more money spend as opposed 2 years.

minor leaguers make nothing, teams don't spend that much more money on younger players to develop in the minors, it has to do with development not money!!!

Try to understand.

The A's have a low budget, so they have to spend money carefully. While the amount of money in signing bonus' given to draft picks don't matter to the mets, they mean a lot to the A's. If they give a large signing bonus to a first round pick, it means they don't have that money to spend on the team. They need that player to get to the majors quickly, which happens more with college players because they've already developed a lot of their skills in college. They can't afford to give a high school player a large signing bonus for him to not do anything for several seasons.

like i said in the other thread college pitchers ask for large signing bonuses as well so there isn't much of a difference!!!

you've completely missed the point.

If they're going to give a draft pick a large signing bonus, they can't afford to have that player spend several seasons in the minors developing. College players are closer to being finished products.

yes but my point is it has to do more with development then money, money is somewhat of a factor but the whole thing is the A's want more of a finished product, college pitchers are more mature and easier to handle!!!

wrong, wrong, wrong.

It has nothing to do with how well they developed them. The difference is, the college players have already had a couple years developing their talent and will not need as much time in the minors.

It's all about getting the most out of the money.

:serious:

that's called development timo, college pitchers take less time to develop that's why the A's draft them!!!

you're still missing the point.

If the A's had more money to spend, they would be able to draft whoever they felt had the most potential. But they don't have the money to spend, so they have to draft the players that have the best chance to become solid major league players.

Read Moneyball.
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i don't believe it, the mets traded kazmir cause of mainly rick peterson, he's brought that A's philosophy to the mets, he doesn't like pitchers out of high school and liked zambrano's stuff!!!

not liking pitchers outta of high school has nothing to do with a's phillosophy, they just didnt have enough money to wait around and watch them develop.

back to the article i agree with the trade and im tired of saying why so ill leave it at that

it has everything to do with not liking high school pitchers, the A's like college pitchers cause they develop faster and are more of a finished product, money has nothing to do with high school pitchers taking long to develop, money has to do with maybe signing pitchers out of high school but college pitchers demand alot of money as well!!! :peace:

thats the point comming out of high school you have to wait 4 years to have a high sch9ooler develop and comming out of college you wait 2 years for that same player to develop to the major league level. 4 years = more money spend as opposed 2 years.

minor leaguers make nothing, teams don't spend that much more money on younger players to develop in the minors, it has to do with development not money!!!

Try to understand.

The A's have a low budget, so they have to spend money carefully. While the amount of money in signing bonus' given to draft picks don't matter to the mets, they mean a lot to the A's. If they give a large signing bonus to a first round pick, it means they don't have that money to spend on the team. They need that player to get to the majors quickly, which happens more with college players because they've already developed a lot of their skills in college. They can't afford to give a high school player a large signing bonus for him to not do anything for several seasons.

like i said in the other thread college pitchers ask for large signing bonuses as well so there isn't much of a difference!!!

you've completely missed the point.

If they're going to give a draft pick a large signing bonus, they can't afford to have that player spend several seasons in the minors developing. College players are closer to being finished products.

yes but my point is it has to do more with development then money, money is somewhat of a factor but the whole thing is the A's want more of a finished product, college pitchers are more mature and easier to handle!!!

wrong, wrong, wrong.

It has nothing to do with how well they developed them. The difference is, the college players have already had a couple years developing their talent and will not need as much time in the minors.

It's all about getting the most out of the money.

:serious:

that's called development timo, college pitchers take less time to develop that's why the A's draft them!!!

you're still missing the point.

If the A's had more money to spend, they would be able to draft whoever they felt had the most potential. But they don't have the money to spend, so they have to draft the players that have the best chance to become solid major league players.

Read Moneyball.

no your missing the point, the moneyball philosophy is to draft college pitchers cause they are more of a finished product and can develop quicker, in terms of pitchers moneyball has more to do with development then money, i didn't read the book but i do know that!!!
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i don't believe it, the mets traded kazmir cause of mainly rick peterson, he's brought that A's philosophy to the mets, he doesn't like pitchers out of high school and liked zambrano's stuff!!!

not liking pitchers outta of high school has nothing to do with a's phillosophy, they just didnt have enough money to wait around and watch them develop.

back to the article i agree with the trade and im tired of saying why so ill leave it at that

it has everything to do with not liking high school pitchers, the A's like college pitchers cause they develop faster and are more of a finished product, money has nothing to do with high school pitchers taking long to develop, money has to do with maybe signing pitchers out of high school but college pitchers demand alot of money as well!!! :peace:

thats the point comming out of high school you have to wait 4 years to have a high sch9ooler develop and comming out of college you wait 2 years for that same player to develop to the major league level. 4 years = more money spend as opposed 2 years.

minor leaguers make nothing, teams don't spend that much more money on younger players to develop in the minors, it has to do with development not money!!!

Try to understand.

The A's have a low budget, so they have to spend money carefully. While the amount of money in signing bonus' given to draft picks don't matter to the mets, they mean a lot to the A's. If they give a large signing bonus to a first round pick, it means they don't have that money to spend on the team. They need that player to get to the majors quickly, which happens more with college players because they've already developed a lot of their skills in college. They can't afford to give a high school player a large signing bonus for him to not do anything for several seasons.

like i said in the other thread college pitchers ask for large signing bonuses as well so there isn't much of a difference!!!

you've completely missed the point.

If they're going to give a draft pick a large signing bonus, they can't afford to have that player spend several seasons in the minors developing. College players are closer to being finished products.

yes but my point is it has to do more with development then money, money is somewhat of a factor but the whole thing is the A's want more of a finished product, college pitchers are more mature and easier to handle!!!

wrong, wrong, wrong.

It has nothing to do with how well they developed them. The difference is, the college players have already had a couple years developing their talent and will not need as much time in the minors.

It's all about getting the most out of the money.

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that's called development timo, college pitchers take less time to develop that's why the A's draft them!!!

you're still missing the point.

If the A's had more money to spend, they would be able to draft whoever they felt had the most potential. But they don't have the money to spend, so they have to draft the players that have the best chance to become solid major league players.

Read Moneyball.

no your missing the point, the moneyball philosophy is to draft college pitchers cause they are more of a finished product and can develop quicker, in terms of pitchers moneyball has more to do with development then money, i didn't read the book but i do know that!!!

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You just don't understand. The entire system revolves around the fact that it's a way to keep a team competitive with a limited amount of money.

Paul DePodesta, Billy Beane's assistant in Oakland, drafted some high school players when he got the job in LA. The reason is that he can afford to spend the money on players that will take time to reach the majors.

Also, the system isn't "moneyball". The science is called Sabermetrics.
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i don't believe it, the mets traded kazmir cause of mainly rick peterson, he's brought that A's philosophy to the mets, he doesn't like pitchers out of high school and liked zambrano's stuff!!!

not liking pitchers outta of high school has nothing to do with a's phillosophy, they just didnt have enough money to wait around and watch them develop.

back to the article i agree with the trade and im tired of saying why so ill leave it at that

it has everything to do with not liking high school pitchers, the A's like college pitchers cause they develop faster and are more of a finished product, money has nothing to do with high school pitchers taking long to develop, money has to do with maybe signing pitchers out of high school but college pitchers demand alot of money as well!!! :peace:

thats the point comming out of high school you have to wait 4 years to have a high sch9ooler develop and comming out of college you wait 2 years for that same player to develop to the major league level. 4 years = more money spend as opposed 2 years.

minor leaguers make nothing, teams don't spend that much more money on younger players to develop in the minors, it has to do with development not money!!!

Try to understand.

The A's have a low budget, so they have to spend money carefully. While the amount of money in signing bonus' given to draft picks don't matter to the mets, they mean a lot to the A's. If they give a large signing bonus to a first round pick, it means they don't have that money to spend on the team. They need that player to get to the majors quickly, which happens more with college players because they've already developed a lot of their skills in college. They can't afford to give a high school player a large signing bonus for him to not do anything for several seasons.

like i said in the other thread college pitchers ask for large signing bonuses as well so there isn't much of a difference!!!

you've completely missed the point.

If they're going to give a draft pick a large signing bonus, they can't afford to have that player spend several seasons in the minors developing. College players are closer to being finished products.

yes but my point is it has to do more with development then money, money is somewhat of a factor but the whole thing is the A's want more of a finished product, college pitchers are more mature and easier to handle!!!

wrong, wrong, wrong.

It has nothing to do with how well they developed them. The difference is, the college players have already had a couple years developing their talent and will not need as much time in the minors.

It's all about getting the most out of the money.

:serious:

that's called development timo, college pitchers take less time to develop that's why the A's draft them!!!

you're still missing the point.

If the A's had more money to spend, they would be able to draft whoever they felt had the most potential. But they don't have the money to spend, so they have to draft the players that have the best chance to become solid major league players.

Read Moneyball.

no your missing the point, the moneyball philosophy is to draft college pitchers cause they are more of a finished product and can develop quicker, in terms of pitchers moneyball has more to do with development then money, i didn't read the book but i do know that!!!

:no1:

You just don't understand. The entire system revolves around the fact that it's a way to keep a team competitive with a limited amount of money.

Paul DePodesta, Billy Beane's assistant in Oakland, drafted some high school players when he got the job in LA. The reason is that he can afford to spend the money on players that will take time to reach the majors.

Also, the system isn't "moneyball". The science is called Sabermetrics.

the whole money aspect has to do more with free agents and players they develop within their own system when they reach a certain amount of years at the major league level, high school pitchers sign for almost the same amount of money as the college players do, if your a highly touted player from the high school or college level your going to recieve a large signing bonus! also i'm sure depodesta signed those players out of high school cause they were the best available and not because of their signability, i'll read the book when i get a chance but that's the idea i get from seeing interviews with rick peterson, bill beane and others!!!
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high school pitchers sign for almost the same amount of money as the college players do, if your a highly touted player from the high school or college level your going to recieve a large signing bonus!


Correct, but you've still completely missed the point.

[size=14]They have a limited amount of money to spend. They have a set budget put in place by the owner. If they give a large signing bonus to a draft pick(either from high school or college)that means they won't have money to spend on other players. They cannot afford to give a large signing bonus to a high school player because high school players take more time to go through the minors. When they draft a college player, the player will be with the team soon and give them immediate results from their investment.[/size]
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you know what tool i'm going to read moneyball and see if your correct, i've been arguing with you for a long time and one thing i've noticed is that your always misinformed with your information, we'll see if you are correct, i doubt it!!! :peace:
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you know what tool i'm going to read moneyball and see if your correct, i've been arguing with you for a long time and one thing i've noticed is that your always misinformed with your information, we'll see if you are correct, i doubt it!!! :peace:

You haven't read the book. I have.
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you know what tool i'm going to read moneyball and see if your correct, i've been arguing with you for a long time and one thing i've noticed is that your always misinformed with your information, we'll see if you are correct, i doubt it!!! :peace:

You haven't read the book. I have.

well once i read the book i'll find out if you were right or not!!! :peace:
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you know what tool i'm going to read moneyball and see if your correct, i've been arguing with you for a long time and one thing i've noticed is that your always misinformed with your information, we'll see if you are correct, i doubt it!!! :peace:

You haven't read the book. I have.

well once i read the book i'll find out if you were right or not!!! :peace:

You should find a lot of the things about the mets interesting. Jim Duquette is also in the book, during a trade conversation with beane.
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you know what tool i'm going to read moneyball and see if your correct, i've been arguing with you for a long time and one thing i've noticed is that your always misinformed with your information, we'll see if you are correct, i doubt it!!! :peace:

You haven't read the book. I have.

well once i read the book i'll find out if you were right or not!!! :peace:

You should find a lot of the things about the mets interesting. Jim Duquette is also in the book, during a trade conversation with beane.

cool, i've always wanted to read it but never decided to buy it, i'll try to buy it this week!!! :D
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