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The Middle Of The Lineup Is Pathetic; Time For Some Wholesale Changes!!!
Topic Started: Aug 1 2004, 01:36 PM (171 Views)
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like i said last night, the middle of this lineup sucks, piazza's not hitting but he's here to stay so lets forget about him, hidalgo and floyd need to go, i say get manny ramirez off of waivers in the offseason and sign either beltran or magglio ordonez, at least i know those guys can hit when it counts, if the mets want to win they have to make those kind of changes!!!
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Hidalgo just finished a really hot streak......I don't understand why you're ready to give up on him yet.

Piazza hasn't been hitting for more than a month, and Hidalgo's only been in a slump the last 2 weeks or so...... :???:
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piazza's piazza, don't start that sh*t again, hidalgo hits garbage pitching that's all, he's a pull hitter that only hits homeruns, imagine a middle of the lineup that consists of ramirez, ordonez and piazza, now that's a f*cking power threat, those are 3 professional hitters right there!!! :thumbup:
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Piazza has hit a wall, he is not the same Piazza as a couple years ago, get over it. We need to get rid of him before anyone else
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Aug 1 2004, 02:05 PM
Piazza has hit a wall, he is not the same Piazza as a couple years ago, get over it. We need to get rid of him before anyone else

but the mets are not going to do that so why even bother talking about it, it's not going to happen!!!
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but the mets are not going to do that so why even bother talking about it, it's not going to happen!!!


ONE CAN ONLY HOPE!!! :no1:
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Why do you think Manny Ramirez will be put on waivers again? The only reason they did that was to try to make a run at Vlad.
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Aug 1 2004, 07:48 PM
Why do you think Manny Ramirez will be put on waivers again? The only reason they did that was to try to make a run at Vlad.

I was gonna ask that. They're not gonna put their best offensive player (who might win MVP this year) on waivers again, especially with Nomar gone. You lost your chance to claim him. If your management/ownership had any idea what it was doing (contending or rebuilding.....and I said it before the season) they would have signed him. A "rebuilding team" doesn't spend $20M on a Japanese shortstop, sign Mike Cameron to big money, and pick up old washed up dregs like James Baldwin and Scott Erickson. Since you weren't acting like a rebuilding team, you should have gone the extra step and taken Ramirez. You can't turn down a dude capable of .340/45 HR/140 RBI + clutchness.

And I think its about time you let go of the notion of Piazza being an elite hitter. That's no more. Good as he had been, since joining the Mets, he hasn't performed like he did with the Dodgers. Over the last 3 seasons, he's been on a decline. Its not just this slump. Although its quite a slump. Going into the Yankees series, he was hitting .320 and I flipped onto the game today and he's in the .270's. :no1:
You should have traded him last season or the year before. But as Justin said, its not happening.

* Hey Ray, do you still think you're winning the division? I told you, you're not going anywhere. Now that hope of the post season is lost, all that's left is for you to hold me to my prediction. 79-83, fourth place.
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Good as he had been, since joining the Mets, he hasn't performed like he did with the Dodgers.

Incorrect. He still put up superstar numbers through the 2001 season. The decline started in 2002, which was the first full season in which he hit under .300
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Was he ever hitting .340+ with the Mets? I know how good he was for you guys. He had a bunch of seasons of 35+ homeruns and hit over .300 with the usual 100+ RBI. But those aren't the numbers that made Mike Piazza "Mike Piazza". Dropping from .340 -> .300 is just as big a decline as going from .300 -> .260. Decline is decline. He was never as good for you as he was with the Dodgers and now he's declined from the decline.
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Timo, here are his career averages with both teams.

Piazza w/ Dodgers

.336/33 HR/105 RBI

Piazza w/ Mets

.309/35 HR/92 RBI

He was good for your team, but not as good as he was with LA.
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Aug 1 2004, 09:42 PM
Was he ever hitting .340+ with the Mets? I know how good he was for you guys. He had a bunch of seasons of 35+ homeruns and hit over .300 with the usual 100+ RBI. But those aren't the numbers that made Mike Piazza "Mike Piazza". Dropping from .340 -> .300 is just as big a decline as going from .300 -> .260. Decline is decline. He was never as good for you as he was with the Dodgers and now he's declined from the decline.

You make it sound like he was hitting over .340 consistantly while he was with the Dodgers and then dropped right when he came to the Mets.........well, he hit over .340 only 2 times--in '95 he hit .346 and in '97 he hit .362.......

He had a pretty consistant average through 2001, and starting with '02 he's been under .300.

and in '99, '00, and '01, he pretty much matched what he did in LA.....40, 38, and 36 respectively.

So he didn't drop off when he came here.....it's only been the last 3 seasons, including this one.
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of course they'll put manny on waivers he makes f*cking 20 million a season and i'm sure the red sox will be signing some free agents in the offseason so i honestly think they'll put him on waivers but i could be wrong! as for piazza, look he's not the same hitter he use to be but he's still a threat in this lineup, maybe this is it, maybe this is the end of the line for piazza who knows but i'm not going to give up on him yet! strider stop with your nonsense, yes piazza put up great stats for the dodgers but he also did for the mets, all you have to do is ask yourself one question, will piazza go into the hall of fame as a dodger or a met, the answer is he's going into the hall of fame as a met!!! :peace:
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Piazza w/ Dodgers

.336/33 HR/105 RBI

Piazza w/ Mets

.309/35 HR/92 RBI

He was good for your team, but not as good as he was with LA.

That's not the point. Did you miss this post? I said that he has done well with the Mets, but he was better with the Dodgers. Read the f*cking quote. And who the hell questioned whether he was going into the Hall as a Met or Dodger?
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Piazza w/ Dodgers

.336/33 HR/105 RBI

Piazza w/ Mets

.309/35 HR/92 RBI

He was good for your team, but not as good as he was with LA.

That's not the point. Did you miss this post? I said that he has done well with the Mets, but he was better with the Dodgers. Read the f*cking quote. And who the hell questioned whether he was going into the Hall as a Met or Dodger?

i'll bet if you put up stats of splits between piazza with the mets and piazza with the dodgers you'll see that piazza has hit more homeruns and more rbi's as a met, he's definitely hit for a better average as a dodger though! the reason i brought the hall of fame up is cause your saying piazza did better with the dodgers so you must feel then that he should go in as a dodger since he did so good with them!!! :smirk:
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6 seasons with the dodgers:

177 HR, 563 rbi's, 896 hits

6+ seasons with the mets:

198 HR, 583 rbi's, 903 hits

:peace:
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Piazza in Cooperstown as a Met--no doubt about it. :peace:
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Aug 2 2004, 12:02 AM
Piazza in Cooperstown as a Met--no doubt about it. :peace:

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Yup, there shouldnt be any question about that
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There's no question about him going into the Hall as a Met. He'll be remembered as a Met.

Justin, you saw the stats. He has averaged more homeruns as a Met. However, his average and RBI per season have dropped. Batting average and runs batted in is more important than homeruns.
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There's no question about him going into the Hall as a Met. He'll be remembered as a Met.

Justin, you saw the stats. He has averaged more homeruns as a Met. However, his average and RBI per season have dropped. Batting average and runs batted in is more important than homeruns.

do i have to post this again:

6 seasons with the dodgers:

177 HR, 563 rbi's, 896 hits

6+ seasons with the mets:

198 HR, 583 rbi's, 903 hits

:peace:
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There's no question about him going into the Hall as a Met. He'll be remembered as a Met.

Justin, you saw the stats. He has averaged more homeruns as a Met. However, his average and RBI per season have dropped. Batting average and runs batted in is more important than homeruns.

do i have to post this again:

6 seasons with the dodgers:

177 HR, 563 rbi's, 896 hits

6+ seasons with the mets:

198 HR, 583 rbi's, 903 hits

:peace:

I saw it. But he's been a Met longer than he was a Dodger, that shows why he has more total RBI. When I did the season averages, it showed that he's hit more homeruns per season than he did with the Dodgers. Look at the difference in batting average. Look at the difference in RBI per season. The only number average that went up as a Met was homeruns. But as I said in the last post, batting average and RBI mean more than homeruns. And its only 2 more homers per season anyway.
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There's no question about him going into the Hall as a Met. He'll be remembered as a Met.

Justin, you saw the stats. He has averaged more homeruns as a Met. However, his average and RBI per season have dropped. Batting average and runs batted in is more important than homeruns.

do i have to post this again:

6 seasons with the dodgers:

177 HR, 563 rbi's, 896 hits

6+ seasons with the mets:

198 HR, 583 rbi's, 903 hits

:peace:

I saw it. But he's been a Met longer than he was a Dodger, that shows why he has more total RBI. When I did the season averages, it showed that he's hit more homeruns per season than he did with the Dodgers. Look at the difference in batting average. Look at the difference in RBI per season. The only number average that went up as a Met was homeruns. But as I said in the last post, batting average and RBI mean more than homeruns. And its only 2 more homers per season anyway.

he has played a little longer as a met but i gave you the 3 main stats where he has done more as a met, look he was a great hitter as a dodger and put up some awesome stats but piazza did things with the mets that will stand the test of time, we all know what those things are!!!
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There's no question about him going into the Hall as a Met. He'll be remembered as a Met.

Justin, you saw the stats. He has averaged more homeruns as a Met. However, his average and RBI per season have dropped. Batting average and runs batted in is more important than homeruns.

do i have to post this again:

6 seasons with the dodgers:

177 HR, 563 rbi's, 896 hits

6+ seasons with the mets:

198 HR, 583 rbi's, 903 hits

:peace:

I saw it. But he's been a Met longer than he was a Dodger, that shows why he has more total RBI. When I did the season averages, it showed that he's hit more homeruns per season than he did with the Dodgers. Look at the difference in batting average. Look at the difference in RBI per season. The only number average that went up as a Met was homeruns. But as I said in the last post, batting average and RBI mean more than homeruns. And its only 2 more homers per season anyway.

he has played a little longer as a met but i gave you the 3 main stats where he has done more as a met, look he was a great hitter as a dodger and put up some awesome stats but piazza did things with the mets that will stand the test of time, we all know what those things are!!!

That 3-run HR he hit against the Braves to cap off that huge rally in 2000 still sends chills down my spine. I love watching that tape over and over.
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There's no question about him going into the Hall as a Met. He'll be remembered as a Met.

Justin, you saw the stats. He has averaged more homeruns as a Met. However, his average and RBI per season have dropped. Batting average and runs batted in is more important than homeruns.

do i have to post this again:

6 seasons with the dodgers:

177 HR, 563 rbi's, 896 hits

6+ seasons with the mets:

198 HR, 583 rbi's, 903 hits

:peace:

I saw it. But he's been a Met longer than he was a Dodger, that shows why he has more total RBI. When I did the season averages, it showed that he's hit more homeruns per season than he did with the Dodgers. Look at the difference in batting average. Look at the difference in RBI per season. The only number average that went up as a Met was homeruns. But as I said in the last post, batting average and RBI mean more than homeruns. And its only 2 more homers per season anyway.

he has played a little longer as a met but i gave you the 3 main stats where he has done more as a met, look he was a great hitter as a dodger and put up some awesome stats but piazza did things with the mets that will stand the test of time, we all know what those things are!!!

That 3-run HR he hit against the Braves to cap off that huge rally in 2000 still sends chills down my spine. I love watching that tape over and over.

the homerun i will remember the most is the one after 9/11, now that's a timeless sports moment!!!
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The drive that sent Williams to the track to end the world series. In a way that was clutch
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The drive that sent Williams to the track to end the world series. In a way that was clutch

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The drive that sent Williams to the track to end the world series. In a way that was clutch

i still feel that ball shouldve been gone comming off the bat
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The drive that sent Williams to the track to end the world series. In a way that was clutch

i still feel that ball shouldve been gone comming off the bat

i knew he didn't get enough of it when the ball came off the bat but he did give it quite a ride!!!
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If that ended up being a HR, what would the score have been? Was that a potential game-tying or game-winning HR? I don't remember.
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