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Knicks Might Have To Take Pippen To Get Crawford
Topic Started: Jul 22 2004, 06:56 AM (122 Views)
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Knicks Would Take Pippen To Get Crawford

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With the Erick Dampier sign-and-trade hitting a roadblock, Knicks president Isiah Thomas revisited his bid to nail down Jamal Crawford from the Bulls in a multi-player package and his latest proposal asked that the washed-up Scottie Pippen be included, The Post has learned.

Pippen would replace either Jerome Williams or Eddie Robinson in the package. Thomas was looking for a compromise for taking Moochie Norris' fat contract out of the offer and replacing him with Cezary Trybanski, who is in his final year.

Meanwhile, Thomas and Knicks coach Lenny Wilkens met yesterday with their own free agent, Vin Baker, who's drawn interest from the Cavaliers. However, Baker's first choice is the Knicks and his re-signing could be imminent.

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Isiah Back In Talks For Crawford

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Isiah Thomas has resumed negotiations with the Chicago Bulls in a last-ditch effort to hammer out a sign-and-trade deal for free agent guard Jamal Crawford.

Thomas, the Knicks president, has come up empty during the NBA's most active month and has failed to upgrade a team that won 39 games last season. The only positives this summer for the Knicks are that Kenyon Martin signed with Denver and Shaquille O'Neal and the Heat are no longer in the Atlantic Division after the NBA realigned to six divisions.

Thomas' latest setback appears to be Golden State's refusal to send free agent center Erick Dampier to the Knicks in a sign-and-trade for Nazr Mohammed and Othella Harrington.

A potential deal for Dampier is by no means dead, but with each passing day it becomes more unlikely, which is why Thomas has turned his attention back to Crawford. Thomas, who is trying to pull off a trade for either Vince Carter or Antoine Walker, is starting to sound almost desperate to make a move.
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How many years does Pippen have on his deal? His ass should have retired two years ago, I thought he was retiring at the end of the '03-'04 season, and I don't expect him to be hanging around for much longer. I'd be willing to take his contract instead of Eddie Robinson.

What's the snag with the Dampier deal? I know that Mullin denied accepting the trade, but it hasn't been said what they want.
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Jul 22 2004, 11:11 AM
How many years does Pippen have on his deal? His ass should have retired two years ago, I thought he was retiring at the end of the '03-'04 season, and I don't expect him to be hanging around for much longer. I'd be willing to take his contract instead of Eddie Robinson.

What's the snag with the Dampier deal? I know that Mullin denied accepting the trade, but it hasn't been said what they want.

I think Pippen has one year left.

The snag is that the Warriors don't need Nazr to back up Foyle anymore because they just traded Van Exel for Dale Davis.
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Dampier hasn't accepted any offers yet and now, supposidely, the Pacers are in the mix again. :serious:
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Jul 22 2004, 12:42 PM
Dampier hasn't accepted any offers yet and now, supposidely, the Pacers are in the mix again. :serious:

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ending contracts will hold more value to the Warriors than taking on the longterm deals of Croshere or Pollard would...i don't think the Pacers are in the mix at all...it's just another ploy to get Isiah to pay through the nose to get this guy.

Dampier doesn't deserve any more than Rasheed Wallace will sign for w/the Pistons...5 years at $57 million is more than a better offer than Dampier will get from any other team...ATL won't even commit to more than 3 years for this guy...why the hell should the Knicks give him 7??? 5 years at over $10 mil per is more than a fair offer.
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The snag is that the Warriors don't need Nazr to back up Foyle anymore because they just traded Van Exel for Dale Davis.


I don't want to, but I'd be willing to give up Kurt Thomas. He can back up Troy Murphy at power forward.

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Dampier doesn't deserve any more than Rasheed Wallace will sign for w/the Pistons...5 years at $57 million is more than a better offer than Dampier will get from any other team...ATL won't even commit to more than 3 years for this guy...why the hell should the Knicks give him 7??? 5 years at over $10 mil per is more than a fair offer.


Damn freakin' good point. He and Rasheed are about the same age (Dampier might be older), Wallace has had a better career, and is a better overall player. All these damn free agents are being overpaid this off season. Okur and Foyle signing ridiculous contracts kinda sparked this.
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even w.Okur & Foyle signing their contracts, an offer that matches what Rasheed is rumored to be signing w/DET is more than those guys will make on their deals...so as far as "fair market value" goes, Dampier & his agent would be stupid to pass up that offer...

the only question is whether or not the Warriors will be willing to take back salaries or if they'll simply allow Dampier to walk for nothing & save on their cap...they can also try & get a sign & trade done w/the Grizz for Stromile, but from what i hear, ATL will be targeting Stro w/a better offer than MEM will be willing to match

basically, Dampier's options are severely limited...he is in no position to be dictating any contract terms here...if he wants to, he can sign w/ATL for their 3 year offer at ~$8-9 million per, or he can lower his salary demands & push the Warriors to trade him to the Knicks...the ball is totally in Chris Mullin's court here, so it might take more talent &/or picks than the Knicks have to get a deal done.
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You know, I'm getting tired of dampier's sh*t. I understand he is a free agent, but he's got alot of nerve to make us wait to see what the hawks are offering.THE HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.Now he still hasn't made he choice yet. No wonder chris mullen wants his ass gone!!!! :thumbdown:
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This is all in Chris Mullin's hands. Dampier would be here right now if it were up to him. Yeah, he could sign the MLE, but he thought he had a deal with the Knicks, as long as Mullin was willing to take Othella and Nazr. This Dale Davis deal messed everything up.
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Jul 23 2004, 07:54 AM
You know, I'm getting tired of dampier's sh*t. I understand he is a free agent, but he's got alot of nerve to make us wait to see what the hawks are offering.THE HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.Now he still hasn't made he choice yet. No wonder chris mullen wants his ass gone!!!! :thumbdown:

this is the last big contract he'll ever be able to negotiate...how can you blame the guy for exploring every possible option before making a decision...if anything, the longer he waits, the more he screws himself, because other teams will be making their moves & he'll be stuck w/progressively less options...so that can only benefit the Knicks anyway.

i have no problem w/Isiah being patient in this market & letting things develop...the Knicks haven't missed out on any significant players that they had any realistic shot at getting anyway...both targets, Dampier & Crawford, were always the best possible candidates for Isiah to pursue this offseason anyway...he's doing exactly what he planned on doing...we as fans just need to be patient & let the man do what he was hired to do.

& even if Isiah can't land either one of those guys this offseason, he'll still have his ending contracts to use as trade bait at the trade deadline, when invariably there will be many teams looking to pawn off their big contracts for cap relief...Isiah doesn't have to do anything here, & he's absolutely doing the right thing by not panicking & giving in to all these GM's demands.
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In a rare development, I agree with tMs here.
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Jul 23 2004, 07:54 AM
You know, I'm getting tired of dampier's sh*t. I understand he is a free agent, but he's got alot of nerve to make us wait to see what the hawks are offering.THE HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.Now he still hasn't made he choice yet. No wonder chris mullen wants his ass gone!!!! :thumbdown:

this is the last big contract he'll ever be able to negotiate...how can you blame the guy for exploring every possible option before making a decision...if anything, the longer he waits, the more he screws himself, because other teams will be making their moves & he'll be stuck w/progressively less options...so that can only benefit the Knicks anyway.

i have no problem w/Isiah being patient in this market & letting things develop...the Knicks haven't missed out on any significant players that they had any realistic shot at getting anyway...both targets, Dampier & Crawford, were always the best possible candidates for Isiah to pursue this offseason anyway...he's doing exactly what he planned on doing...we as fans just need to be patient & let the man do what he was hired to do.

& even if Isiah can't land either one of those guys this offseason, he'll still have his ending contracts to use as trade bait at the trade deadline, when invariably there will be many teams looking to pawn off their big contracts for cap relief...Isiah doesn't have to do anything here, & he's absolutely doing the right thing by not panicking & giving in to all these GM's demands.

I'm not blaming me him for this whole mess. I'm just saying everyone is making a big deal out of dampier when most of us haven't even seen the guy play!!! I understand he wants to explore his possabilties, but really, what is so great about playing for the hawks right now. they got nothing going on right now. I just feel like the knicks are wasting there time if this guy wants to play monkey in the middle with us and using the hawks as the bait! I just have a feeling we will be stuck with another medicore player with a high contract!!!!
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I would think most NBA fans have seen Erick Dampier play. You're right, he is average, and he will be paid more than his career numbers dictate, but that's how the system is set up. His fellow Golden State center, Adonal Foyle, has done almost nothing in his career and just got $41 million for it. It's a joke they get paid so much, but Dampier would be an upgrade at center for the Knicks, if he plays like he did last year. He's not a star though.
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don't worry, cuz the Hawks aren't biting on that game...they only offered him a 3 year offer at ~$8-9 mil per...so the Knicks' offer of 6 years & $67 million that they had originally talked about is by FAR the best offer he'll get from any team...the only remaining question here is whether or not Chris Mullin wants to agree to a sign & trade deal w/the Knicks, or if he'll simply let Dampier's contract come off the books & save on cap space.

my point was that Isiah should be playing hardball here & lower the offer to match what Rasheed signed w/the Pistons...i think that would STILL be a much better offer than Dampier can get from any other team.

in the end though, it's all up to Chris Mullin what he wants to do here...his sign & trade possibilities are limited as well, unless he can get the Mavericks to agree to a deal for Antoine Walker for example, which would make sense for the Warriors in getting back an expiring contract while still getting good value in terms of talent that can potentially help their team win games next season & would still be tradeable at the trade deadline should they be out of contention at that point in the season...

i don't see him having any shot at the sign & trade for Stromile Swift, since ATL is going to be willing to offer him a lucrative deal that probably exceeds what the Warriors will be willing to pay for him...

the thing that Mullin WON'T do is take on any longterm deals, unless he's getting a verified star player in the process that he wants to build the team around...that team just signed Adonal Foyle & Derek Fisher to longterm deals, & they still have to think about re-signing their young guys when they become RFA's next year (Troy Murphy, Speedy Claxton, J. Rich, Dunleavy)

that's why i don't buy into the rumored trade to the Pacers for a Jonathan Bender package...the Warriors would still have to take back another longterm contract in addition to taking on Bender's $21 million over the next 3 years in that deal to make the dollars match up, which would hinder their cap situation even further.


basically to sum up, Dampier has very limited options, Isiah doesn't need to overpay here, & it's all up to Chris Mullin to make this deal work or not.
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Actually, rumor has it that Dampier might be willing to sign with the Hawks and negotiate a trade with them so he can be sent to the Pacers or Grizzlies. As for Kurt Thomas being involved in a trade for Dampier, you have to do that deal. Thomas is not the same player he was before and his value is not going to be any higher than it is now. Now is the time to trade him.
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Actually, rumor has it that Dampier might be willing to sign with the Hawks and negotiate a trade with them so he can be sent to the Pacers or Grizzlies. As for Kurt Thomas being involved in a trade for Dampier, you have to do that deal. Thomas is not the same player he was before and his value is not going to be any higher than it is now. Now is the time to trade him.


I agree, trade KT while he still has value
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