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Gammons:Yanks talking trade for Zito....
Topic Started: Jul 9 2004, 01:31 AM (587 Views)
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Jul 9 2004, 02:28 AM
Alright, I'll correct myself. He has sucked since Game 5 of the ALDS last season. He always sucks in the big games.

2.76 career playoff ERA.
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Jul 9 2004, 02:28 AM
Alright, I'll correct myself. He has sucked since Game 5 of the ALDS last season. He always sucks in the big games.

Career post season ERA = 2.76.

Feel free to correct yourself again. :peace:
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Alright, I'll correct myself.  He has sucked since Game 5 of the ALDS last season.  He always sucks in the big games.

2.76 career playoff ERA.

Twins. :D :D
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Jul 9 2004, 02:33 AM
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Jul 9 2004, 02:28 AM
Alright, I'll correct myself.  He has sucked since Game 5 of the ALDS last season.  He always sucks in the big games.

2.76 career playoff ERA.

Twins. :D :D

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Jul 9 2004, 01:31 AM
Cano AND or Cairo and Quantril.....
NO WAY CAIRO!!! NO WAY!!!
I LOVE THAT GUY...GUYS WHO DON;T K CAN PLAY FOR ME ANYDAY....NO FN WAY. :annoyed:

what did that douche gammons say kocur? and/or? Cano and Quantrill is a no-brainer. I wouldn't like to see Cairo go but if we were to get Zito in return, bye-bye. Zito has had one bad month (April) and he usually finishes strong.. So I'll take my chances with a 26yr. old Cy Young winner.

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July - 9-5 3.34 ERA
Aug. - 13-9 2.62 ERA
Sept. - 16-2 2.11 ERA
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Jul 9 2004, 02:33 AM
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Jul 9 2004, 02:28 AM
Alright, I'll correct myself.  He has sucked since Game 5 of the ALDS last season.  He always sucks in the big games.

Career post season ERA = 2.76.

Feel free to correct yourself again. :peace:

4.50 ERA in the ALDS in '02 and 3.46 last year. 3.46 isn't terrible, but he choked big time in Game 5 at home when he could've put his team into the next round.
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If this deal goes through, Cashman is relying on Karsay to fill Quantrill's role. I don't think that will happen. He's coming off an injury to his pitching shoulder, he won't be able to handle all those innings. Leave the pen as it is. El Duque will be our savior.
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Jul 9 2004, 02:45 AM
El Duque will be our savior.

:serious:

He's 84 years old.
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He's 38. They found out through his divorce situation. It doesn't matter how old he is, as long as he gets the job done.
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Jul 9 2004, 02:58 AM
He's 38. They found out through his divorce situation. It doesn't matter how old he is, as long as he gets the job done.

Wasn't he 38 three years ago?
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Nope, if you don't beleive me, look for the article about his divorce. It will give out his real birthdate.
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Guardado and Zito and imo our rotation is set
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Jul 9 2004, 02:04 AM
Nope, if you don't beleive me, look for the article about his divorce. It will give out his real birthdate.

You think we trust in some divorce papers? El Duque doesn't know how old he is.
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There is no way that The Yankees are gonna give up Cairo,beacuse He is The Yankees everyday Second Baseman.

The Yankees gotta trade Halsey,Cano,and Quantrill for Zito,and Rhodes.
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when was the last time gammons ever got a trade right, hmmmmmmm!!! :think: :peace:
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Jul 9 2004, 05:51 AM
when was the last time gammons ever got a trade right, hmmmmmmm!!! :think:  :peace:

Slob makes a point. :think: :think: :think:

Anyways, if it "were" to happen, my heart would be broken in half if we give up cairo. If we can find another way to get this trade done without giving them Cairo I would do it.
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I'd like to keep both Quantrill and Cairo, but if its to get a pitcher the caliber of Zito, I think you have to make that trade. I don't like the idea of trading away 1/3 the reliability in our bullpen though.
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They don't need Cano and Cairo...f*ck that....they can have 'rique.
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Jul 9 2004, 08:05 AM
They don't need Cano and Cairo...f*ck that....they can have 'rique.

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Trading Quantrill makes no sense either. We don't need addition by subtraction. The only way you would trade Quantrill would be if you knew that Karsay was 100% healthy and that's not the case. Also, why would the A's and Yankees help each other knowing the players they trade could come back to bite them in the ass during the playoffs?
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Jul 9 2004, 01:46 AM
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Jul 9 2004, 01:45 AM
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Jul 9 2004, 01:45 AM
Yeah I love Cairo too.  Maybe we can trick them into taking Wilson instead! :D

THAT'D BE FINE.

Then Matty23 will bitch and moan.

You're joking, right? I said Wilson deserves to be on an MLB roster. You said he doesn't. If I could include him in a deal for Barry Zito, then bye-bye Enrique. I wouldn't deal Quantrill and Cairo now though. Maybe in the offseason when those pieces would be easier to replace, but taking on a choker like Arthur Rhodes does not properly replace Quantrill.
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Listen fuckwads - I like Cairo too. But no way will he be a dealbreaker. We'll find another 2nd baseman. Pitching is too difficult to find.


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Jul 9 2004, 09:51 AM
Listen fuckwads - I like Cairo too. But no way will he be a dealbreaker. We'll find another 2nd baseman. Pitching is too difficult to find.

You can't get rid of Quantrill right now either though. Seriously, who would pitch the 7th inning in close games? Zito might be able to give them length, but that would only be once every five days. Arthur Rhodes can't handle pressure at all.
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Jul 9 2004, 09:52 AM
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Listen fuckwads - I like Cairo too. But no way will he be a dealbreaker. We'll find another 2nd baseman. Pitching is too difficult to find.

You can't get rid of Quantrill right now either though. Seriously, who would pitch the 7th inning in close games? Zito might be able to give them length, but that would only be once every five days. Arthur Rhodes can't handle pressure at all.


I would imagine that we'd go right after Eddie Guardado 23.




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Jul 9 2004, 09:58 AM
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Listen fuckwads - I like Cairo too. But no way will he be a dealbreaker. We'll find another 2nd baseman. Pitching is too difficult to find.

You can't get rid of Quantrill right now either though. Seriously, who would pitch the 7th inning in close games? Zito might be able to give them length, but that would only be once every five days. Arthur Rhodes can't handle pressure at all.


I would imagine that we'd go right after Eddie Guardado 23.

Well that would be a suitable replacement, but I would want to see that deal in place before giving up Quantrill. I am all for giving Zito a shot. I'd love it. I just don't want to weaken the pen in the process. I also think there has to be another way the Yankees can go than Cairo. Why would Oakland insist on him? I find that hard to believe. He'd take off the pinstripes and go back to being an average utility guy.
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Yeah lets get Barry Zito for free, without giving up anybody. We'll throw them Wilson, Halsey, and Cano. :serious:

And I seriously doubt the Yankees would trade Quantrill and not replace him. That's stupidity. Plus, Quantrill has not been that great lately. Maybe it was the overuse early in the season, or the knee injury, but every time he comes in there is a parade of singles off him and Gordon/Mo always end up coming in anyway.

Quantrill and Cairo would not hold up a deal for Barry Zito for me!
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Jul 9 2004, 09:49 AM
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Jul 9 2004, 01:45 AM
Yeah I love Cairo too.  Maybe we can trick them into taking Wilson instead! :D

THAT'D BE FINE.

Then Matty23 will bitch and moan.

You're joking, right? I said Wilson deserves to be on an MLB roster. You said he doesn't. If I could include him in a deal for Barry Zito, then bye-bye Enrique. I wouldn't deal Quantrill and Cairo now though. Maybe in the offseason when those pieces would be easier to replace, but taking on a choker like Arthur Rhodes does not properly replace Quantrill.

I was kidding but I know there will be a sleepless night when he's first traded :smirk:
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If this Zito rumour actually has truth to it, you absolutely have to pull the trigger. Zito is still young, left handed, and capable of many great seasons in the bigs. Granted, he has struggled mightily this season, but you can't disregard the man's credentials. You could get a setup man to replace Quantrill in the likes of Eddy Guardado, by trading with Seattle.

As far as Mark Mulder is concerned, he is great, but Zito really has done more in the clutch for Oakland than Mulder. I'd expect Mulder to be better in the future, but you can't disregard the solid post-season outings that Zito has put up.
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Jul 9 2004, 01:46 PM
Yeah lets get Barry Zito for free, without giving up anybody. We'll throw them Wilson, Halsey, and Cano. :serious:

And I seriously doubt the Yankees would trade Quantrill and not replace him. That's stupidity. Plus, Quantrill has not been that great lately. Maybe it was the overuse early in the season, or the knee injury, but every time he comes in there is a parade of singles off him and Gordon/Mo always end up coming in anyway.

Quantrill and Cairo would not hold up a deal for Barry Zito for me!

Agreed. Considering the potential, we're not giving up that much for a guy who's already won a Cy Young. I think he can easily fix what he's been doing wrong.
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Jul 9 2004, 05:36 PM
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Yeah lets get Barry Zito for free, without giving up anybody.  We'll throw them Wilson, Halsey, and Cano. :serious:

And I seriously doubt the Yankees would trade Quantrill and not replace him.  That's stupidity.  Plus, Quantrill has not been that great lately. Maybe it was the overuse early in the season, or the knee injury, but every time he comes in there is a parade of singles off him and Gordon/Mo always end up coming in anyway.

Quantrill and Cairo would not hold up a deal for Barry Zito for me!

Agreed. Considering the potential, we're not giving up that much for a guy who's already won a Cy Young. I think he can easily fix what he's been doing wrong.

I understand the thinking and would love to have Zito, but seriously, unless Eddie Guardado could be had, who replaces Quantrill? Ideally it would be Karsay, but he's a major question mark. I don't want the bullpen to suddenly become weaker than it is.

Sure, Quantrill has struggled at times, but he is still better than the middle relievers who have filled that role since Mendoza's prime ended shortly before he left. Quantrill eats innings, pitches all the time, and is doing reasonably well (nobody could have expected him to duplicate what he did last year for LA).

People think Guardado pitches all the time because of his nickname, but he's only pitched over 80 games once (in 1996 when he was 25). After this year, during which Quantrill should eclipse that mark again, he will have done it 5 times, including 89 last year.

Quantrill and Cairo for Zito is an absolute no-brainer in the offseason when you have time to replace the players lost, but it might be a mistake at this particular time.
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