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them stupid Walker runmors again!
Topic Started: Jun 22 2004, 10:04 AM (707 Views)
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according to the NY daily news, there's speculation that the Bobcats may select Waler and trade him to NY for some expiring contracts. There's another hunch that Dallas will take KT and some other players for Walker. Please, take TT, not KT. Although I want to trade KT, there will be no defense in the low post, just a fat guy, and a underacheiver.
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I'd take Antoine Walker over Kurt Thomas.

Just look at it this way: An Antoine Walker for KT swap would improve the team.
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put Shandon in any deal then I would take that. THen we need to trade TT, and bench him if he's still on the team for Sweetney
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Jun 22 2004, 10:11 AM
put Shandon in any deal then I would take that. THen we need to trade TT, and bench him if he's still on the team for Sweetney

I like Tim Thomas. I think he's improving and will be a solid starter.

KT and Shandon Anderson for Walker? I'd do that in a second.
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KT & Shandon for Walker? are you for real? you think the Bobcats, or the Mavericks for that matter, would bite on that one?

i think there's a better chance of dealing w/the Mavs directly for Antoine Walker than trying to get the Bobcats to take him in the expansion draft & trading him to NY...& even that chance isn't all that great, unless Mark Cuban really wants to add Kurt Thomas, Othella Harrington, Dikembe Mutombo & Cezary Trybanksi to his roster...there would have to be a 3rd team involved like the Sixers, Spurs, or Bobcats (where they take either McKie or Malik Rose in the expansion draft & send him to NY for an ending contract) to make this deal possible imho.
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What is with the hate on Tim Thomas? Sure he whines, but the man did carry a lot of the scoring load while he was here. If he wasn't injured, he would have easily avg 18 ppg for us. And another thing, he proved to be CLUTCH which is what we need. Walker for Thomas? I'd sure as hell do that trade since Walker is in his last year of his contract and is still relatively young.
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You guys want to trade the only good defensive player you have in Kurt Thomas for a player who doesnt know what defense means and chucks up three pointers? :lmao: Thats a good one! :lmao:
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Walker's simply a better player than Kurt, bottomline...he can pass, score, rebound, orchestrate, ball handle & shoot from the outside (though his 3 point shooting % was abysmal last season)...i would jump all over any deal to trade Kurt Thomas for Antoine Walker.

it's not as if we were trading K-Mart for Rahim or anything like that
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Jun 22 2004, 12:59 PM
Walker's simply a better player than Kurt, bottomline...he can pass, score, rebound, orchestrate, ball handle & shoot from the outside (though his 3 point shooting % was abysmal last season)...i would jump all over any deal to trade Kurt Thomas for Antoine Walker.

it's not as if we were trading K-Mart for Rahim or anything like that

Exactly. And KT isn't exactly a terrific defensive player. He's adequate. What Walker rbings to the table offensively significantly outweighs whatever the Knicks would lose on defense.
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Your team is not a good defensive team to begin with. Why would you trade a, as you put, a adequate defender for someone who doesnt play a lick of defense. It doesnt make any sense whatsoever. The Knicks already give up a ton of points. If you put Walker in that lineup, forget about it! You would be the eastern conference version of the Mavericks with less talented offensive players. Walker, Tim Thomas and Houston are all below average defenders. Didnt you learn anything from the Pistons last year? Defense wins championships not offense.

BTW that Rahim deal is not going down. :clap:
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can he play successfully against K-Mart or any of the more athletic PFs in the game?
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NO! :dance:
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Jun 22 2004, 01:32 PM
Your team is not a good defensive team to begin with. Why would you trade a, as you put, a adequate defender for someone who doesnt play a lick of defense. It doesnt make any sense whatsoever. The Knicks already give up a ton of points. If you put Walker in that lineup, forget about it! You would be the eastern conference version of the Mavericks with less talented offensive players. Walker, Tim Thomas and Houston are all below average defenders. Didnt you learn anything from the Pistons last year? Defense wins championships not offense.

BTW that Rahim deal is not going down. :clap:

again, what real effect does Kurt Thomas have on the success of the Knicks? do you really think he has that much of an impact that would prevent you from upgrading from an offensive & versatility standpoint by making that trade?

if we were talking about an Allstar player here, i would say definitely no...but Kurt Thomas is little more than a celebrated role player who puts up decent numbers because he gets minutes...you're telling me you would pass up the chance to grab a 20/7/5 player from a year ago for KT? come on man...if you got Walker, you can also use him at the SF position, which frees up Penny to get minutes at SG to backup Houston, which will be key since it's very likely that Houston will go down to injury next year again...i don't want Shandon Anderson to see 1 minute of meaningful action next year...he's strictly a garbage time player imho.
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Come on....You cant just look at the players and say this will be a good trade. You have to look at the team and how the player fits in. Just because the player you are trading for is talented than the player you are trading, it doesnt mean the team will improve. Walker was much more talented than any bench players the Mavericks had. Where did the Mavs go last year? Nowhere! Thats what Im trying to say. You have to look at the whole picture.

Let me put this in a baseball perspective. Who would you want to trade for right now? Carlos Beltran or Freddy Garcia? Its obvious Beltran is much more talented than any CFs we have and is more talented than Garcia. But what do we need right now? WE NEED PITCHING! I would rather trade for Garcia than Beltran.

Just my opinions... :dance:

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KT contributed to a below .500 team the past 2 years...i think i'd take my chances on Walker helping this team be better than that next year.
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There's more to Antoine Walker than his stats. He's a selfish player.
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Oh my dear God.

Are you talking about former Celtic, Antoine Walker?

Let me just say this, as a Celtics fan who dealt with this lumpy bag full of sh*t for too long, you don't want him.

Whatever rebounds he gets are purely accidental, he doesn't move without the ball, and will ruin whatever flow your offense has by chucking 25-footers all night long.

Be prepared if you do get him for numbers like this:

38 min, 6-19 FG, 3-12 3-FG, 2-2 FT, 5 REB, 15 pts, 4 ast.

I can't even put into words how happy I was when the Celtics got rid of this g**damn albatross, despite the fact that they got another stiff in return in Raef LaFrentz. The mere sight of Antoine Walker made me vomit in terror, and I hope that someday the pain he inflicted on my soul is revisited on him 10-fold.

In short, it would make me so happy to see Walker on the Knicks, because I can now devote even more passion into hating the man.

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Jun 22 2004, 09:07 PM
Oh my dear God.

Are you talking about former Celtic, Antoine Walker?

Let me just say this, as a Celtics fan who dealt with this lumpy bag full of sh*t for too long, you don't want him.

Whatever rebounds he gets are purely accidental, he doesn't move without the ball, and will ruin whatever flow your offense has by chucking 25-footers all night long.

Be prepared if you do get him for numbers like this:

38 min, 6-19 FG, 3-12 3-FG, 2-2 FT, 5 REB, 15 pts, 4 ast.

I can't even put into words how happy I was when the Celtics got rid of this g**damn albatross, despite the fact that they got another stiff in return in Raef LaFrentz. The mere sight of Antoine Walker made me vomit in terror, and I hope that someday the pain he inflicted on my soul is revisited on him 10-fold.

In short, it would make me so happy to see Walker on the Knicks, because I can now devote even more passion into hating the man.

All reasons why I don't want him on the Knicks.
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38 min, 6-19 FG, 3-12 3-FG, 2-2 FT, 5 REB, 15 pts, 4 ast.


That was with the Mavericks. He was taking more than 19 shots in Boston. 8-24 is more like it. :yes:

There's no reason why a talented 6'9" power forward should lead the league in 3-pointers attempted. Its not as if he shoots for a good percentage either. He just shoots so many that by dumb luck, some of them will find the net. That's the kind of player he is. A couple years ago, I was reading his stats and noticed that his FG percentage (not 3, overall) was 39%. That's disgusting. Even Iverson shoots over 40% in most seasons. I've seen him go to the paint a few times and he actually has some good low post moves. He has enough size and his quickness makes it tough for defenders down low. He just refuses to do it more. Toine is just a big point guard.

With that said, I'd take him. I hope that the Knicks are able to bring him here. He's not what we need or want, but he's in the last year of his contract and we need some cap relief. $14M off the books isn't that much when your payroll more than doubles the cap, but its a start. If everything worked out, we could then trade Tim Thomas for an adequate defensive power forward or center (we'd have to take on another big contract to move Tim), let him compete with Sweetney for the starting PF spot, and start Walker at SF. The Knicks aren't ready to make any noise so for right now, we need to cut salary and look to make a real move in 2 years. By then, Houston, Penny, and Shandon's contracts will be up, Marbury will still only be 29, and we'll be in position to after something worth spit.

C - * defensive big man/Vin Baker/Nazr Mohammad/
PF - Mike Sweetney or * defensive big man/ Mike Doleac
SF - Antoine Walker/Dermarr Johnson
SG - Allan Houston/Penny Hardaway/....Shandon Anderson :annoyed:
PG - Stephon Marbury/Frank Williams

An even better deal would be trading Tim Thomas and Nazr for a center/power forward who can defend the post and looking for some athletism with the MLE. Those are our biggest needs.
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Jun 22 2004, 08:59 PM
There's more to Antoine Walker than his stats. He's a selfish player.

& there's less to KT than his stats...he's not all that good.
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That's right. Thomas' defense is overrated and his offense is inconsistent. Down the stretch, Sweetney deserved more minutes than he did.
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Kurt Thomas IS indeed a hard worker and GOOD defensive player, but he is declining, he is pretty overrated (A good thing b/c his trade value is up) and his offense ain't that good either. Plus, he got schooled by Martin.
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let's just say, KT wouldn't be starting on plenty of good teams in the NBA...Walker would be starting on alot more, whether at PF or at SF, because he's just that much more versatile.
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If we could get Walker without giving up our young core, I would be all for it. Thomas, Harrington, and some other scrub would be great. And to whoever said something about Rahim, I DO NOT WANT HIM. Ratliff has said it himself that he has made his job tougher since Rahim likes to let people pass by him a lot.
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There's more to Antoine Walker than his stats.  He's a selfish player.

& there's less to KT than his stats...he's not all that good.

I've always liked KT, but I thought he was disappointing this past season, injury or not. I'm not opposed to moving him. I just want no part of Antoine Walker.
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There's more to Antoine Walker than his stats.  He's a selfish player.

& there's less to KT than his stats...he's not all that good.

I've always liked KT, but I thought he was disappointing this past season, injury or not. I'm not opposed to moving him. I just want no part of Antoine Walker.

agreed!!!
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whether you want Walker or not, he would have infinitely more trade value than Kurt Thomas...getting him for Kurt would be a no brainer
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Getting Antoine Walker would be another in a long line of bad moves the Knicks have made starting with moving Ewing before his contract ran out. I've had the displeasure to watch Walker play over the years with the hated Celtics, and all I can say is that he has regressed each season. That playoff series two years ago against New Jersey when Kenyon Martin dominated him says it all.

He's got no backbone, and if someone lays down the gauntlet, he's finished. When he first came in he was a slasher and had a plethora of moves in the post. But now he's solely a long three point shooter, he never plays defense, (never did), and he's got what has to be considered a bad NBA body, meaning the older he gets, the greater the chance that he'll break down. Plus I've never liked that smug look on his face, or that little shimmy shake he does after hits a three. Actually, what am I talking about!?! This guy is perfect for the Knicks!!!
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There's more to Antoine Walker than his stats. He's a selfish player.

http://www.blogmaverick.com/entry/6697148736171348/

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As far as making additional trades, it’s no secret that we have discussed trading Antoine Walker. Walk did everything we asked of him this past year. He played every single position on the court — from point guard to center. He defended guys twice his size. He changed his game to fit our needs. He is an amazing talent.

While other players might have gotten upset or complained, Walk went to war for us. I can’t tell you how much respect I have for Walk, and what a positive he has been in the locker room and in representing the Mavs organization. It’s because he went to the wall for us that we told him that we would see if there was a better fit on another team. His flexibility was a big plus for us, but he would excel even further if he could find a specific role and focus on it.

We also told him that we wouldn’t just trade him just to move him. Guys who work as hard as Antoine — and are as versatile — aren’t easy to come by.


G, Mark Cuban tends to disagree with you...i think i'll listen to someone who actually knows what he's talking about than you, since you clearly have no freakin' clue on the topic...but thanks anyway.

btw, try telling Paul Pierce how selfish a player Antoine Walker is...i wonder why he was so upset after they traded him? moron. :laugh:
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G, Mark Cuban tends to disagree with you...i think i'll listen to someone who actually knows what he's talking about than you, since you clearly have no freakin' clue on the topic...but thanks anyway.

btw, try telling Paul Pierce how selfish a player Antoine Walker is...i wonder why he was so upset after they traded him? moron.


Thank you. People just look at his 3s and say this guy sucks, but he actually breaks the defense down and is a very good passer for his size.
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