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f*cking JOE!
Topic Started: May 19 2004, 12:42 AM (236 Views)
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We'd be up a run right now if he had put Homer in there for Jorge!!! WHY THE f*ck IS JORGE RUNNING ON VLAD?!?!?!?!?!
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I'm not one to get on the umps but I knew right away he was safe.
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After the review, it's clear that it was a run. Damn those idiotic refs.
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Yeah, he looked safe, but Homer should still be in there! He'd make it way before Jorge did!
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May 19 2004, 12:43 AM
After the review, it's clear that it was a run. Damn those idiotic refs.

Umps. This isn't basketball.
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I'm madder at Joe for letting Lofton steal 3rd then him not pinch running for Posada. It's risky to take a catcher out of a game. If that were Giambi then it would be a no-brainer.
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I was out got in my car driving home when Posada got to 2nd I was screaming at the radio Joe pinch run, Bernie has good numbers against Percival. Anyway it was a golden chance to win the game Joe is f*cking useless managing a game. First Sterling calls him safe then says he was out. When you have a chance to win you have to try to win the f*cking game. Joe isn't managing anything anyone could do what he does and I mean that anyone.

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Clueless JOE he was the f*cking idiot who didn't pinch run for the slowest man in America. I’m so sick of him doing nothing in every situation that calls for a decision to be made what a waste he has become. The Angles all should say thank you Joe.
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May 18 2004, 11:42 PM
We'd be up a run right now if he had put Homer in there for Jorge!!! WHY THE f*ck IS JORGE RUNNING ON VLAD?!?!?!?!?!

E X A C T L Y........What the heck - you can sit Jorge for four games but you can't pinch run for him????? :wall:
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I thought you guys loved Joe. :dunno: "He should be the Yankees manager for as long as he wants."
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amit
May 19 2004, 12:42 AM
We'd be up a run right now if he had put Homer in there for Jorge!!! WHY THE f*ck IS JORGE RUNNING ON VLAD?!?!?!?!?!

That's what I was saying at the time too!
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May 19 2004, 05:49 AM
I thought you guys loved Joe. :dunno: "He should be the Yankees manager for as long as he wants."

Doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes and you can't point them out.
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When you know he's safe, which he was...by SC putting it in Slo-Mo makes it that much worse...
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safe or not safe isn't the question, It never should have come down to Posada being on the bases. He could only score on a long single, Homer could score on almost any kind of hit. As the title says Joe was a f*cking idiot.
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May 19 2004, 11:01 AM
safe or not safe isn't the question, It never should have come down to Posada being on the bases. He could only score on a long single, Homer could score on almost any kind of hit. As the title says Joe was a f*cking idiot.

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As the title says Joe was a f*cking idiot.


That's stale news for me. :smirk:
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May 19 2004, 01:41 PM
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As the title says Joe was a f*cking idiot.


That's stale news for me. :smirk:

You starting to attend Camp Clueless too?
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No. Its Camp "We've won because of the talent on this team and of all the coaches in sports, managers have the least to do with team wins." I've never been on the "Oh Joe" bandwagon. I acknowledge that he does a good job handling the guys in the clubhouse and quickly putting an end or avoiding anything controversial. However.....
(1) He's not the only person that can do that.
(2) Yankees management makes sure that he isn't a position where he can't handle the players, by bringing in "good guys". The only times when Joe has had a problem with a player (Sierra and Mondesi), they were traded. He's never had to deal with a real disfunctional bunch, so that "manages the ego" crap goes right out the window. Its not that difficult to deal with a Derek Jeter, Bernie Williams, Tino Martinez, Scott Brosius, etc.

What I judge him on is on-field decisions. He hasn't impressed me and I think he's overrated.

Camp Clueless my ass. Strider's enlightened.
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May 19 2004, 01:57 PM
No. Its Camp "We've won because of the talent on this team and of all the coaches in sports, managers have the least to do with team wins." I've never been on the "Oh Joe" bandwagon. I acknowledge that he does a good job handling the guys in the clubhouse and quickly putting an end or avoiding anything controversial. However.....
(1) He's not the only person that can do that.
(2) Yankees management makes sure that he isn't a position where he can't handle the players, by bringing in "good guys". The only times when Joe has had a problem with a player (Sierra and Mondesi), they were traded. He's never had to deal with a real disfunctional bunch, so that "manages the ego" crap goes right out the window. Its not that difficult to deal with a Derek Jeter, Bernie Williams, Tino Martinez, Scott Brosius, etc.

What I judge him on is on-field decisions. He hasn't impressed me and I think he's overrated.

Camp Clueless my ass. Strider's enlightened.

A. It's bullsh*t that any manager can with talent. There's been plenty of talented teams that haven't even made the playoffs.

B. It's not just "good guys"....he has a way of convincing players to buy into his system. Such as rotating Curtis, Raines, and Straw in left.

C. Things don't always go right, sometimes because of managerial decisions, sometimes because of the players you have. For a while, Joe pushed all the right buttons. I never said he's the greatest manager of all time. He's not even the greatest Yankee manager (McCarthy) of all time, but he's a very good manager. He knows how to work personalities.

D. If you go to Camp Clueless, you can be BC's swim buddy. :D
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May 19 2004, 01:41 PM
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As the title says Joe was a f*cking idiot.


That's stale news for me. :smirk:



I will agree that you have not held Joe in high regard but why do you think you're always the only one who has a certain point of view, we’re are talking about a particular incidence were his utter lack of common sense infuriated many of us.
Handling players is his strong suit, But that can be overrated IE the A's used to fight in the locker room go out on the field and win, Reggie, Rudi etc. In fact when Reggie was here he upset many players but we won. Whenever you have 25 players they will break down into groups, not everyone will get along,
Anyone who has had to work for a living knows that a nice guy and someone who gets the job done aren't always the same thing, When push comes to shove and you want it done it's not the nice guy you go to.
Great if they're all one and the same, but in the end it's results that count,
Moose is a loner and perhaps a whacko but if he pitch the 7th game of the WS and won we'd love him and the players would too.
Joe has to be more involved with the game he' isn't and every time he's needed he's AWOL, I didn't like him getting a long extension all it did was take away any motivation and lord knows he was sending warning signals out the last couple of years he was just riding the bench,
End of rant, you can download the entire article at Folsom state prison or go to Waco’s are us. Can I get Hallelujah Can I get an Amen.
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D. If you go to Camp Clueless, you can be BC's swim buddy. 

BC would enjoy that. :laugh:

I'm still pissed for not pinch running Homer :fyou:
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Joe is definitely not a good in-game manager. I thought everyone agreed on that. Guess not.
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I will agree that you have not held Joe in high regard but why do you think you're always the only one who has a certain point of view, we’re are talking about a particular incidence were his utter lack of common sense infuriated many of us.
Handling players is his strong suit, But that can be overrated IE the A's used to fight in the locker room go out on the field and win, Reggie, Rudi etc. In fact when Reggie was here he upset many players but we won. Whenever you have 25 players they will break down into groups, not everyone will get along,
Anyone who has had to work for a living knows that a nice guy and someone who gets the job done aren't always the same thing, When push comes to shove and you want it done it's not the nice guy you go to.
Great if they're all one and the same, but in the end it's results that count,
Moose is a loner and perhaps a whacko but if he pitch the 7th game of the WS and won we'd love him and the players would too.
Joe has to be more involved with the game he' isn't and every time he's needed he's AWOL, I didn't like him getting a long extension all it did was take away any motivation and lord knows he was sending warning signals out the last couple of years he was just riding the bench,
End of rant, you can download the entire article at Folsom state prison or go to Waco’s are us. Can I get Hallelujah Can I get an Amen.


Eg - fu©kin' - zactly....

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Joe is definitely not a good in-game manager. I thought everyone agreed on that. Guess not.


If more people were smart enough to listen to Strider, we would agree. Admins, see if you can find/create a GIGANTIC smirk smiley. When Joe screws something up in the playoffs and costs us a game and everyone here (including MM) is killing him and wanting him fired, I'll be needing it.
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I disagreed with Joe not putting Bush in to pinch run, but I will never talk smack in general about Torre. I said it to a friend immediately when Posada got on base and again when he was at second. Some of you guys have only known Torre as manager. I will not go into this again, but it could be A LOT worse.
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And it could be better. That's like a parent saying, "Be grateful for this burnt steak. The kids in Africa would beg for this. You could have it A LOT worse." That doesn't mean that we shouldn't have the best. I don't care if it "could be worse", I still want better. Its like a millionaire not wanting to be a billionaire and saying, "I'm satisfied. Look at it this way, I could be worth only $3,000." That's silliness.

I'm telling you, there's atleast 5 posters (including me) who could manage this team. I'm a people person and I know the right in-game moves to make. Its not like coaching football, hockey, or basketball. He might make one decision every hour (outside of stolen bases, hit-n-runs, infield/outfield shift). And he's got a bench coach (most useless thing in sports) giving advice.
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May 19 2004, 05:28 PM
And it could be better. That's like a parent saying, "Be grateful for this burnt steak. The kids in Africa would beg for this. You could have it A LOT worse." That doesn't mean that we shouldn't have the best. I don't care if it "could be worse", I still want better. Its like a millionaire not wanting to be a billionaire and saying, "I'm satisfied. Look at it this way, I could be worth only $3,000." That's silliness.

I'm telling you, there's atleast 5 posters (including me) who could manage this team. I'm a people person and I know the right in-game moves to make. Its not like coaching football, hockey, or basketball. He might make one decision every hour (outside of stolen bases, hit-n-runs, infield/outfield shift). And he's got a bench coach (most useless thing in sports) giving advice.

Yeah sure, a guy who just started watching baseball in 1998 could do a better job than someone who has been in professional baseball since he was 19 years old and is now 64. I am sure your 6+ years of knowledge via TV and the Internet is more valuable than Torre's 44-45 years in pro baseball.

THAT's silliness.

The main point you fail to understand is that other managers would most likely not have the staying power of Torre under Steinbrenner. Look over his hit list of managers before Torre. Before Showalter's 4 seasons, did a manager last more than a year and a half under George? So replacing Torre would result in a merry-go-round of managers and pitching coaches, which means no stability. I say no thanks to that. All managers make errors. Give me one that doesn't.
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Joe hasn't been fired because the team has won 4 championships since 1996 and began a run of 3 in a row from 1998-2000 (when I first started watching :D ). Why have they won the championships? Because they've had good teams and the players came through in the clutch. Not because of Joe. In football, a team can almost be coached to a championship (The Patriots), but not in this sport. If Joe was managing the Pirates, he wouldn't have lasted more than 3-4 seasons.

You're treating this like its rocket science. It takes 44-45 years of experience to know when to make a pitching change or when to pinch run (or not)? It takes 4 decades of experience to suck a peach pit and make conversation with Willie Randolf? Don't sell yourself short M23, you might be able to do the job too. :yes:
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Where's your comeback for that last one? You better have something good. Afterall, Strider is just some "dumb punk kid" who has only been watching baseball since 1998.
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May 19 2004, 05:04 PM

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Joe is definitely not a good in-game manager. I thought everyone agreed on that. Guess not.


If more people were smart enough to listen to Strider, we would agree. Admins, see if you can find/create a GIGANTIC smirk smiley. When Joe screws something up in the playoffs and costs us a game and everyone here (including MM) is killing him and wanting him fired, I'll be needing it.

Don't lump me in there. I don't go nuts like that, calling for firings as an emotional response to losing.
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