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| moomoo24 | May 17 2004, 03:30 PM Post #1 |
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I think much like he did when he first came here, El Duque could be a huge boost for us if he returns healthy. With his recovery schedule, he should be ready to come back around mid July if I remember right. When healthy, this guy is everything we need. He's the type of guy that could really carry a team through a stretch run. If nothing more, he and Contreras are the main reasons we shouldn't make a knee jerk reaction and trade for someone like Garcia. |
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| Venom | May 17 2004, 03:31 PM Post #2 |
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You're wrong. |
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| Mantlemurcer | May 17 2004, 03:34 PM Post #3 |
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You're right that he's wrong |
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| cmnyy | May 17 2004, 03:34 PM Post #4 |
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I'm with Rob moomoo. This isn't a knee jerk reaction. We knew this rotation had problems months ago. If Garcia can be had, go get him. |
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| Vazquez33 | May 17 2004, 03:35 PM Post #5 |
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I'd rather have Garcia than Contreras or El Duque! |
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| NYFanYGRK83 | May 17 2004, 03:36 PM Post #6 |
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:no2: :no2: :no3: :no3: way off track! |
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| Mantlemurcer | May 17 2004, 03:38 PM Post #7 |
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Is that a new poster, "Rob Moomoo"? :D |
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| Venom | May 17 2004, 03:39 PM Post #8 |
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Poor booboo24 :no1: |
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| Venom | May 17 2004, 03:39 PM Post #9 |
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May the Force be with you
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:blush: |
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| moomoo24 | May 17 2004, 03:54 PM Post #10 |
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You'll see. And if Freddy Garcia can all of a sudden become everyone's "boy" then I'm gonna support El Duque. He'll be back and you'll all be be eating your words. (Go ahead, put up the "Vinbo says 'I doubt that' sign".) |
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| cmnyy | May 17 2004, 03:57 PM Post #11 |
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Moomoo - we'd all love to be wrong about El Duque. I love the Duke of Death too. But he keeps getting pushed back. We can't count on him. Hey - if he gets healthy, let him force somebody else out of the rotation. |
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| moomoo24 | May 17 2004, 03:58 PM Post #12 |
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I know, I'm just saying don't count him out. He wouldn't cost us any prospects and has proven time and time again his clutchness in big game situations. If, and its a big if, but when he's healthy, he's head and shoulders above any of the guys that are going to be available come 7/31. |
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| cmnyy | May 17 2004, 04:02 PM Post #13 |
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I'm not counting him out, but I'm also not counting on him. That would just be silly. |
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| BleacherCreature | May 17 2004, 04:05 PM Post #14 |
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any measurable contribution by el duque would simply be a bonus . i dont believe that we should count on even seeing him this year , never mind being a solid contributor to our pitching staff . |
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| Strider | May 17 2004, 04:32 PM Post #15 |
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Drew, weren't you on the El Duque bandwagon? We had an AIM argument over this. Eh-hem....once again, Strider was right. :D We can't count on Hernandez. This isn't 1997 people. Since the 2000 season, when hasn't this guy been injured? He missed an entire season and he's hurt again right now. The Yankees would look like a bunch dipsticks if they put all their eggs in the Duque basket and he injures himself in his second start. He was inconsistent in his last season here, he's injury prone, and he might be older than God. Forget him. With a $184M payroll, we shouldn't have fossils with questionable health and ability in our starting rotation. Get me the best top of the line sumbitch available....IMMEDIATELY! Moomoo, unlike Strider, you're ALWAYS wrong. btw - Is there a smiley with his finger pointing in the air as if he's giving directions? It would go well with my "IMMEDIATELY!" with the British accent. |
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| NYJ EcKo151 | May 17 2004, 04:46 PM Post #16 |
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If you didn't already know, El Duque was put on the 60-day DL to make room for Tanyon Sturtze. I saw one of El Duque's starts down here in Tampa, he left after 1 innings with stiffness but his fastball was in the 85-87 mph range and a killer slider. I really like El Duque and was pulling for him to make a return but that is unlikely. The more likely scenarios are Freddy Garcia,Kris Benson,Kip Wells, and obviously many more...I want Garcia the most since he has said it would be a dream to be a Yankee... *Felix Heredia could be activated Tuesday, meaning most likely Bret Prinz(3.2 innings,1 hit, 5K's,0 ER) will be sent down for this bum :wall: |
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| Mattingly23 | May 17 2004, 04:47 PM Post #17 |
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The move to the 60 day DL has nothing to do with being further injured, but rather a way of opening up a spot on the 40 man roster for Sturtze. Karsay was moved to the 60 day DL in order to make room for someone, as well. Speaking of the DL, remember the days of the 21 day DL? |
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| Strider | May 17 2004, 04:51 PM Post #18 |
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No... |
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| Mattingly23 | May 17 2004, 04:51 PM Post #19 |
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It was before your time. It was gone over 6 years ago, which is as far as your knowledge goes. |
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| Grandy4MVP | May 17 2004, 05:28 PM Post #20 |
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I don't remember the 21 day DL either. :serious: Anyway, anything we get from El Duque is gravy, but I"m not counting on much. Freddy is the guy we need to go get. |
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| Mattingly23 | May 17 2004, 05:33 PM Post #21 |
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Mattingly went on the 21 day DL with his original back injury. I think there was a 30 day too. It was 15, 21, 30, and 60. They must have dropped the 21 and 30 when the CBA was negotiated during the strike of 1994-95. |
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| Yanksfan03 | May 17 2004, 06:56 PM Post #22 |
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The Yankees will most definitely make a trade. I'm sure El Duque could contribute in some way or another as a long man or something, but I don't see him starting for us and I certainly don't see us not making a trade. The Big Unit or Freddy Garcia will be here come mid-late June. :rock: |
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May 17 2004, 09:14 PM Post #23 |
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Dude, you're so banned
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Please explain that to me El Duque was put on the 60 day DL to make room for Sturtze? .El Duque if he was healthy would be a bright spot for the Yanks not someone they shunt on to the 60 day DL, there is no logic for your statement no accounting for you saying that. El Dugue was a gamble by the Yanks knowing if he was healthy again there was a big upside, do you think anyone in there right mind puts a healthy El Dugue on the DLfor 60 days. Karsey they could put on the 365 day DL |
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| Grandy4MVP | May 17 2004, 09:16 PM Post #24 |
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Duke won't be ready till Mid July or so.........that's why the put him on the DL just to free up the roster space on the 40 man. |
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May 17 2004, 09:37 PM Post #25 |
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Dude, you're so banned
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Ok this was May 7th, After being shut down a week ago due to stiffness in his surgically repaired right shoulder, Orlando Hernandez threw yesterday, and "may" pitch for Single-A Tampa early next week. He was put on the 60 day from the 15 day DL to me it makes no sense just to say it was for a roster spot, Basically he isn't ready because he isn't healthy.My point is IF he was anywhere near being able to pitch it wouldn't be him going on the DL. I loved EL DUgue when he was here but my gut tells me he's not coming back Hell they put Lee on the 15 day DL first and he isn't playing again this year the way it looks now, Karsey what hope do we have for him another 60 day DL man. If he (EL Dugue) comes back and is ready for July I'll sent matt23 flowers and you a 6 pack. |
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| Yanks473 | May 17 2004, 10:49 PM Post #26 |
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Duque is done. |
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| Grandy4MVP | May 17 2004, 10:50 PM Post #27 |
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:ranting: |
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| Mattingly23 | May 17 2004, 11:49 PM Post #28 |
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He's on the 60 day DL, effective when he was originally put on the DL after ST. It doesn't mean he's out an additional 2 months. Is that accounting good enough for you, a-hole? |
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May 18 2004, 12:22 AM Post #29 |
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Dude, you're so banned
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I guess that Soprano photo went to your head, You became a tough guy, Ah well there's no accounting for that. I will still send you flowers if EL Dugue pitches in July for the Yankee's, and I really hope he can make it back, but if you think things are going OK with his rehab do you wanna buy a bridge? |
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| Mattingly23 | May 18 2004, 12:26 AM Post #30 |
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I don't think El Duque's rehab is going well at all. That wasn't my point. I was explaining the logistics behind why the Yankees transferred Hernandez to the 60 day. It removes the player from the 40 man roster. I have said in several posts that it is nuts to rely on Hernandez as an ace when and if he gets back. So for now, I am going to have to decline the offer on the bridge. |
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